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Religion/Spirituality Paragraph

Please stop deleting my contribution to this paragraph, whoever you are. It's very irritating. What I said improved the paragraph and is the truth, whether you like it or not.

Razoroo 20:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)Razoroo

To me it seems that you don't like that Altair's probable muslim orientation isn't mentioned. For the game and it's further background story it's simply irrelevant whether he is muslim or not. You didn't post any reference to your statement so this contingency is no more than speculation. I don't understand why you claim on having that religious thing included as it's mentioned before that Altair's not that religious. --ColdCut0815 22:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you at least bring up a reference if you wish to include such a statement. Unless you can do that, it's worthless.

This is the same discussion I have been having on various Gamespot.com forums with other ignorant people. It doesn't matter if he is religious or not; I'm simply saying by birth that he is a Muslim. I'm contributing to the paragraph by giving people further information on his background, and I know that I'm right. I don't need proof or a link or reference and even if Ubisoft never stated exactly what Altair's religion is, it simply must be Islam. I understand that Altair is not religious; neither am I, but I'm still a Muslim. The fact that he's Muslim may not be important to some people, but it is to me and many others, so I'm simply catering to their information needs. I'll say it again; I know I am right, Altair IS a Muslim because he wouldn't even be allowed to join the Hashshashin. Just leave that sentence, it's not going to kill anyone. Razoroo 16:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Until Ubisoft or Ubisoft Montreal or any of the development staff reveals that Altair is muslim it's simply speculation and it doesn't matter if it's logically consistent or not. Appreciate that without any source that sais he is it's just a guess.

Note the sentence that sais: Please do not add speculation to this article, and remember to cite a published source for details. --ColdCut0815 17:15, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes that's right - it's speculation, even if it seems obvious to you it still counts as original research.87.102.66.173 17:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Remember that the 'altair' is a character in a game, not a real person.87.102.66.173 17:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Right.But IF Altair's not a muslim then it's not realistic.Because the Hashashin only accept Shi'ite Muslim.They hate both Sunni(Saladin and his loyal army) and the Crusaders.But the hate Saladin much more.That's true right?Fanatic terrorist 07:06, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

You need to ask either on Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities or try the Hashashin page. Lots of parts of the game are intended to be realistic - but it's just a game - it's inrealistic to expect it to be 100% accurate because then it wouldn't be a game but a documentary (see next section)87.102.92.28 12:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Razoroo, so far it seems that this is only important to you, and you alone. It adds nothing to article, and is pure speculation. You saying that you know you're right adds nothing to your argument. The way that Wikipedia is supposed to work, is that whatever anyone writes in, has to be supported by a published source. Whether you're Muslim or not, whether you're a Scholar of Islam, regardless of what you are, you still have to have SOME kind of reference. If you find some published source that clearly states that the Hashshashin only took in Muslim, then we can add something to that extent. 162.83.255.39 12:10, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Not even then. The publisher, developer oder designers have to reveal that the character of Altair is muslim. Otherwise it would just be a presumption. --ColdCut0815 13:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Basically, I don't have a reference or proof that Altair is supposed to be Muslim. The Hashashin page states that they were Shia Muslims from the Isma'ili Nizrali sect, or something like that. This implies that there were no other religions who were part of it. It was a cult that stemmed from Islamic beliefs and the belief that Sunni Muslims were evil, as were other propergators of the Crusades. Therefore, other religions were not allowed to join. There are books that go into more detail about this but it would be foolish to go through them all just to find something that will allow me to post that one little sentence. No, Ubisoft hasn't certified that he is a Muslim. Nor do they have to. He looks Arab, he has an Arabic name, his father at least is Muslim. He not only reached "Master" rank in the Hashashin, but he was actually allowed to join in. All this is proof that he is supposed to be a Muslim. If Ubisoft don't say anything about religion, then it can be safely assumed that he is Muslim. There is no other answer. If they say he's "more spiritual rather than religious" then it doesn't mean he is NOT a Muslim. Just means that he'd rather not let religion govern the way he lives. He can still be a Muslim (a poor one perhaps) but be spiritual. All this business about needing reference etc is, I think, just an excuse because some people refuse to acknowledge that they are playing as "one of those pesky Moslems". They don't like the idea of it. We (Muslims) don't get positive protagonists in games or films. Please let us have this one little thing. I'm contributing to the article by giving people information. I'm still saying he's spiritual etc, don't worry. But does it hurt to admit he is most certainly a Muslim BY BIRTH? Some people need that info. And I know I'm right. Just please leave that sentence alone, forget protocol or all this reference crap; it IS the truth. Razoroo 14:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the answer is no (and please don't keep adding it back in (see three revert rule) - I don't think anyone is seriously doubting your logic - the point is that

a. The infomation must be verifyable - not original research see Wikipedia:No_original_research, and Wikipedia:Verifiability quote "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth" - that is the basic answer.

b. As I've said before the game is 'historical fantasy' - therfor it does not need, nor should be assumed to follow historical precedents.

Note: the game is just that - a game - and will be designed to appeal to the widest possibile audience - and as such should attempt not to alienate any section of the potential buying market. This could be why the main character is supposed to come from a mixed religion marriage and has no particular faith of his own...87.102.92.28 15:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

IMPORTANT - MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS If you read about the speculation about the 'genetic memory' and 'time travel' aspects of this game you may discover that it is not neccessary for the main character to be a muslim at all - if you consider that he has to infiltrate the hashashinin to become an assasin so that he can kill various characters who will sow seeds of trouble for the future....THIS INFO NOT GUARANTEED CORRECT DO NOT REED UNLESS YOU DO NOT MIND READING SPECULATION ABOUT THE PLOT87.102.92.28 15:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

By your logic, Razoroo, we can say that he is also a Christian by birth since his mother was Christian. The Wiki article only says that they were an Ismaili sect. It doesn't say anywhere that only Muslims were allowed. Besides that, the fact that he is Half Muslim and Half Christian goes to further disprove your argument. I don't think that having mentioned in a Wikipedia article that there is a Muslim protagonist matters that much to the majority of the Muslim world. You have an agenda, get off it already. 162.83.255.39 15:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually the plot revolves around a group of scientists who trace someone's genetic memory to that of his ancestor (Altair). This means that Altair lived during the Crusades and had his own life. He was a member of the Hashashin, he wasn't trying to infiltrate it by pretending to be one of them. He already was. Someone else in the modern day or future is seeing the events of that period through his ancestors eyes. Secondly, Altair's father would very unlikely allow his son to be Christian. This isn't that important though. Thirdly, all Isma'ili's were Shia Muslims. The term refers to an off-shoot tribe of Muslims. Razoroo 15:57, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

ok thanks for that info.87.102.92.28 16:06, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I've come to a decision that should please you haters. I'll stop adding that sentence (which btw, I have ready to simply copy and paste anytime). The reason I won't continue to add that sentence is because it's a pain and its easier for someone to simply delete it. Having said that, I still don't agree with any of this, I believe it should be allowed in despite there being no confirmation from Ubisoft or the lovely Jade Raymond. But, when the game comes out, and if there is proof in the game or from Ubisoft that he is Muslim (for example, if he reveals it during a conversation or if you see him do certain Muslim actions), then I'll come back to this discussion board and demand that you all eat your hats. After this, I will create a new forum topic on Gamespot.com entitled "I BLOODY TOLD YOU SO!" and then proceed to insult everyone who went against me. If I'm wrong, and he turns out to be a scientologist, buddhist or anything else....I will place myself in exile and eat all of your hats for you. Razoroo 16:10, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

No, Ubisoft hasn't certified that he is a Muslim. Nor do they have to. He looks Arab, he has an Arabic name, his father at least is Muslim.

Right. Ubi has not to certify that Altair's muslim. Perhaps because it's irrelevant for the game itself, perhaps because they want to keep a balance between players of both (christian/muslim) religions. After all it's all about sold copies and the money. Did you put this quite real aspect into consideration already? With his clothes Alatir looks like an eagle (Jade Raymond), his name is arabic for 'the flier' (kinda fact) so he MUST be an eagle... or at least a bird. Is that your way of argumentation? Sounds ridiculous? Well, it is! Both!

If Ubisoft don't say anything about religion, then it can be safely assumed that he is Muslim.

So if they don't say no it's a yes? Ridiculous as well...

All this business about needing reference etc is, I think, just an excuse because some people refuse to acknowledge that they are playing as "one of those pesky Moslems".

All this business about needing reference, published sources and quotations are the basics of they way that a wikipedia works. Get used to it... No problem with playing a muslim, a jew, a hindu (India's videogame industry is growing larger quickly, btw) in a video game. It would be wrong as well to add the presumption that Altair could be christian because of his christian mother or because the mysterious group of scientists in the sci-fi-twist could be a christian group. For me in special it simply doesn't matter which religion a video game character belongs to, btw.

We (Muslims) don't get positive protagonists in games or films. Please let us have this one little thing.

Awww, poor muslims... Because of this it is such important to have an 'information' about the belief of a video game character in an online encyclopedia like wp is? As I said before... RIDICULOUS

Some people need that info. And I know I'm right.

What kind of people do need that info? Except you... It simply doesn't matter if you think you know you're right. Do you know how many people think or thought they are or were right and simply were not?

Just please leave that sentence alone, forget protocol or all this reference crap; it IS the truth.

Forget protocol and all this ref crap? A wikipedia founds on this, that IS the truth.

I'll stop adding that sentence (which btw, I have ready to simply copy and paste anytime). The reason I won't continue to add that sentence is because it's a pain and its easier for someone to simply delete it.

It is as easy for you to simply undo changes of others. But if this is too much efford, it's okay. By now we know life isn't that easy for you as a muslim.

But, when the game comes out, and if there is proof in the game or from Ubisoft that he is Muslim (for example, if he reveals it during a conversation or if you see him do certain Muslim actions), then I'll come back to this discussion board and demand that you all eat your hats.

Poor boy. I don't wear hats nor I do possess any...

After this, I will create a new forum topic on Gamespot.com entitled "I BLOODY TOLD YOU SO!" and then proceed to insult everyone who went against me.

And after that you'll start a nother Jihad, put on your bombsuit, catch the next tram and shout Allah akbar?

/ Keep prejudical behaviour out of the discussion. According to Islam it is NOT allowed to purposedly endanger other beings, nor kill yourself. It's ridicolous to put fanatic behaviour as a standard and general description of a religion. It's like saying that all christains are murderers who force people to their beliefs because fanatics of their religion has done that at times in history. While I think this discussion is ridicolous and plain dumb, there is no need to go generalising and prejudical. As for the non-religious "muslim" in this discussion, to be a muslim, YOU NEED TO BE RELIGIOUS and follow the religious 'treats', not be born a muslim. Wikipedia still builds on facts, not personal opinions. / —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.255.135.247 (talk) 10:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

After this, I will create a new forum topic on Gamespot.com entitled "I BLOODY TOLD YOU SO!" and then proceed to insult everyone who went against me.

Sounds kinda fanatic, doesn't it? Seriously, no one generalised fanatic behaviour as normal for any religion in this discussion. But as you should know the islam nowadays is used by lots of dumb people to justify their suicide attacks, no matter what you say... ColdCut0815 12:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

If I'm wrong, and he turns out to be a scientologist, buddhist or anything else....I will place myself in exile and eat all of your hats for you.

And then proceed as I mentioned before, please. Seriously, you should be the last one who is allowed to edit any paragraph on wikipedia. You're making your whole religion ridiculous (yes, my favorite word on this one) with your statements. --ColdCut0815 20:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm making my religion ridiculous? How so? As a non-Muslim, I don't expect you to understand how important that small fact is. As I said, I won't edit the article anymore so what's the point of you continuing to bother me? Leave it out. Razoroo 21:23, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I think even as a muslim I wouldn't understand your motivation to act like this. It's just about pointing out how... let me think... ridiculous this is. Peace out. --ColdCut0815 00:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey Razoroo, I thought you would quit making that edits. You're the only one who sees the need for such an edit...enough already. It's becoming pathetic now. Are Muslims really that insecure that they need a sentence on Wikipedia giving the possibility of a main character being Muslim, to make them feel better? That's the impression you give off. Stop it. Just because you "know you're right" doesn't mean we have to agree with you. Guess what? We don't. Wikipedia has clearly set protocols that help prevent irresponsible edits such as yours. Going by your logic, I can say that I know I'm the king of England, without any proof, simply because I know I'm right. Drop your agenda already! 162.83.255.39 06:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think altair is an athiest, heh, deal with it. 125.238.2.25 01:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Bottom line: Razoroo has agreed to stop editing the article with his beliefs until further proof is released. No further discussion is needed as this is turning into an argument over something which has already been solved.GBobly 08:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Razoroo's deductions are correct actually. Unfortunately, Razoroo, this is an Article about a yet to be released game, and therefore deductions are irrelevant as one must stick exactly to what the developers of the game have confirmed. To all Muslims it is obvious a child born to a Muslim father will be considered Muslim, even if he does not practice. If you really want to express this you can simply add it to an article about Islam. This however cannot be applied to an unreleased game as it is just creative material and they can do whatever they wish with (Their excellent developers by the way, trust them!). And mainly the general rule for unreleased games is if it is not confirmed by the Developers, it should not be stated, as Gamers know very well nothing is set in stone until after the release. I am also not sure why you are so adamant about making this a fact. I am Arab Muslim and surely it cannot be this important to you to make sure everyone knows a game character is Muslim, lol. And please ColdCut don't ever insinuate someone is making his entire religion ridiculous for then you and 'your religion' would be just as ridiculous in pursuing the argument. Such a deduction is far more 'ridiculous' than Razoroo's. And yes, the religious disposition of the characters is important as it relates directly to the setting of the game. I assume in the end it will be left open-ended for the player to believe what he wishes about Al'ta'ir. 65.81.3.222 11:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, actually I don't follow any religion at all... ColdCut0815 23:55, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Hashashim was a Muslim terrorist organization. I guess none of you mind, couple hundred years from now, some kids are playing a game based on AlQaeda. First person Osama Bin Laden shooter. Oh I get it, it is UbiSoft CANADA. They are real pro-muslim over there in Ca-Na-Duh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.106.248.211 (talk) 06:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Officially Altair religious orientation by UBI was considered "spiritual". Although born to a Muslim father and Christian mother, Altair did not take to a religion from birth, or else he has shed whatever faith he had in joining the Hashshashin believing in the founder, Hassan-i-Sabah's saying, "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." If anything his religion is solipsism.70.231.248.177 05:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it's likely that Ubisoft has chosen not to assign Altaïr a religion specifically because of the controversy that would result. While historically it would not make sense for Altaïr to be anything but Muslim, we can't call him one outright because Ubisoft has not done so, perhaps wisely. However, I don't think it would be innapropriate to mention that the Hashshashin were exclusively Muslim and that, if Assassin's Creed were aiming for total accuracy, Altaïr would likewise be Muslim.

Regarding the unsigned comment on Canada's being "pro-Muslim:" Yes, we are pro-Muslim, just as we are also pro-Buddhist, pro-Jewish, pro-Christian, pro-Hindu and so forth. We do not see this as a bad thing. And for the record no, I am not Muslim myself.Soviet Canuckistan (talk) 00:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Heh, well, Altair never really told the Hashshashin he doesn't really believe in them. I feel pretty sure that some dramatic license was used to keep hands away from throats if you get my drift. It in no way detracted from the gameplay experience. Just to be sensitive to everybody there's an overly politically correct disclaimer upon booting the game that the Ubi game was made by people of all faiths and is neutral to yadda yadda yadda.

This argument is moot. One side can argue that in history, it is true that you were not allowed to join the Hashshashin if you were not a Muslim. The other side can argue that this is fiction, and anything can happen in fiction. So in the end, this is getting nowhere. On an interesting side note, I live in Saudi Arabia, and I have just learned that Assassin's Creed has been banned here. This is probably due to the many references to Shia Islam (which is a no-no here), and ***SPOILER*** the parts of the story that may insinuate that all religions are bull and that the prophets were just men who had (alien?) technology ***end SPOILER***. -Forock

stuff

The article is rather full of stuff for a game not yet released, and a lot of it is rather trivial, with a lot of expansion on the part of the writers of this page. Maybe someone would like to look at cutting it down a bit..87.102.66.173 17:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

the religion of the main character

I removed this " although it can be presumed that he is Muslim by birth. The evidence for this lies in the fact that all members of the Hashshashin were Muslim."

Remember this is not an exercise in logical thinking. The infomation in the article should directly relate to the game. Also see Wikipedia:No original research - although this may seem ridiculous to you - stating that altair is a muslim counts as original research since you've infered it and we don't have a reference.

I think it's important to remember that this is an imaginary character in a computer game - though we already have been given a lot of background on him, we have been told that he is spiritual. Remember that this is fiction - in fiction anything can happen - for all we know he could have secretly converted to judaism whilst in the hashinin. Anything is possible. Remember that this game is historical fantasy - and so do not have to follow the rules of the real world.87.102.5.166 21:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Right."Everything is not true.Everything is permitted." So killing the Hashashin leader too permitted?Fanatic terrorist 07:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I've no idea - we'll probably just have to wait and see when the game comes out to find out what plot twists there are..87.102.92.28 12:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Limited Edition

Anyone know any info (confirmed) on the limited edition? What exactly will it include and does anyone have any pictures of the limited/special edition they can add to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.45.43.68 (talk) 14:20, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

Also known as the collectors edition.. http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1693.html http://ps3.qj.net/Assassin-s-Creed-Limited-Edition-finally-unveiled/pg/49/aid/99892 etc

Though the limited edition's gameplay content will be identical to that of the standard version, Assassin's Creed LE will boast a number of bonus supplemental content items. In addition to a specialized tin packaging, the game will also include a figurine of lead character Altair, Penny Arcade comics, a miniature strategy guide, and Assassin-themed short films. Behind-the-scenes videos, official trailers, developer diaries, producer interviews and other unnamed goodies are also planned. [1]

87.102.84.56 12:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I added the information on the Limited Edition. Thanks to whom cleaned it up a bit. --~Voxx 22:45, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Someone changed the size of the figure. Not sure how to edit the article itself. Just though I would let you all know about the change. It's 3 Inches not 10. --Rsaddy15072 18:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC) Rsaddy

PAX 2007

I just added a paragraph about PAX 2007. If anyone thinks that some of the grammar/info is off feel free to change it.70.107.181.28 20:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Assassins creed hud hd.jpg

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Protection

Since there is a lot of IP vandalism, I've made a WP:RPP report. J-ſtan^Talk_Contribs 23:18, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Not sure when you'll be un-locking this page for edits (or even where to ask this), but could you put a link to the Free Running pages on Wikipedia where they are referenced in the main page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeAtWork (talk • contribs) 18:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all, it will be unprotected in 3 months. Secondly, could you elaborate on that? J-ſtan^Talk_Contribs 18:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Genetic Memory Plot pic

Hello, everyone, an anon posted this on my talk page after I removed this picture: [2] The picture is tagged as "Public Domain" which is definetely not the case and no URL is given as a source.

how dare you take down that picture off of the assassin's creed page. people have the right to know. that is a nitrogen-oxygen heterocycle, and i want to know what its for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.11.84.204 (talk) 07:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello, anon.

The picture you are referring to is tagged as "Public Domain". However, the copyright belongs to Ubisoft, therefore it cannot be tagged as "Public Domain" unless Ubisoft itself releases it as such. Making a screenshot of a copyrighted media does not make the creator of said screeny the copyright owner. You may want to consult Wikipedia:Fair_use for further information. The shadow woman is Jade Raymond from an interview (as seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDWabHnSxtg here) - furthermore, Hydrogen can only connect twice, not thrice, as shown on the picture. I don't see how is any evidence for anything genetics-related. Best regards, --Plumcouch ^Talk2Me 15:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe I did right, but in order to give everyone the opportunity to discuss this and to reach a consensus, I'll post it here. Best regards, --Plumcouch ^Talk2Me 15:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Agree - for now - when the game comes out maybe we'll know just how relevent this pic is.. I don't think it's important enough to merit 'fair use' - and the text explains the genetic memory but better than that pic.87.102.87.36 13:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Are we even 100% sure that the molecule in the screenshot is DNA? I don't see any phosphors, unless it's only showing the nitrogen bases. I could easily be blind. --24.15.235.157 23:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, same here, it doesn't look like dna to me unless im missing something —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.160.182 (talk) 20:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

DS

The game will be on DS, too. It has been on store release lists for months, and Nintendo's new release lists include it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.216.61 (talk) 18:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for doing the research, but we need a link, or something else to prove this. J-ſtan^Talk_Contribs 18:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=13691 There's your proof right there at the bottom of the article. Gonna go ahead and add it to the list of platforms and releases okay? NinjaRooster 00:00, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how to edit Wikipedia but the release date for Assassin's Creed in Nov 13 not the 22 of Sept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CLevin124 (talk • contribs) 14:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Crossbow

I just downloaded a interview of jade raymond of market place and when she explains all the wepons the crossbow is not mentioned once, we should remove all information about it as it has likly been cut from the game.in fact ill do it myself Lord Cuthberton —Preceding comment was added at 19:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

there is acuatually a now solid release date its november 13 just check the site and other sites —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.156.59.201 (talk) 02:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Update Release Date, it has been changed to Nov. 16

www.assassinscreed.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.164.153.150 (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Try giving a link to the source, i cant find it on the page John.n-irl 20:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Gone Gold

"Gone Gold" is a reference to a point in the software development cycle. Not the number of copies sold. Take a look: [[3]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grimscythe (talk • contribs) 15:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so I was going by a different meaning of "gone gold". Either way, it's not really notable what specific day a game goes gold and the source website isn't particularly reliable either. Axem Titanium 21:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I would disagree and say that since we have the date that it was delayed till 2008 on PC, it should be considered important news, what day the game has gone gold. And Gamernode is a fairly reliable website, especially when the news itself is coming from Ubisoft. Grimscythe 11:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

And for anyone that reads this for archival reasons, "going gold" is definitely a useful bit of information for any video game article JayKeaton 14:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Invisible walls/boundaries

Will there be invisible walls/boundaries? If they're not invisible, what will block the player from leaving the area? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weeliljimmy (talk • contribs) 13:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum^DAVID _CAT 14:06, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, reviews of the game mention a blue wall of energy blocking Altair at times early on in the game. The barriers are closed by having Altair move to a high roost and spying on the unexplored area, opening it. The Desmond Miles character cannot move Altair to places he cannot remember.

You mean where altair had never been?

Yeah I mean Altair. Lapse of english I guess. To be clear, what Altair sees in the game is what Miles will be able to traverse that area because that means Altair had prior knowledge of the area. This genetic memory stuff is confusing ain't it?

Achievements

Still am only getting the game for Xbox 360... does the PC version have achievements? 142.165.59.39 00:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Nope, 360 is the only system to carry "achievements" for the game. Even without it, AC shows you what you accomplished so far in the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.248.177 (talk) 05:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Halo 2 for PC has achievements. - Louis 167.1.143.100 18:35, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

New Australian release date.

I work at EB Games in New South Wales, Australia and we got an email saying that the natianal release date has been pushed back one day from the 15th of november to the 16th of November. I feel the page should be changed to reflect this. N.B. The official EB games website has not been changed yet to reflect this...so don't go there to verify this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.154.24.147 (talk) 08:07, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Strangely the article says neither the 15th or the 16th, it says the 14th for Australia JayKeaton 03:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Meaning....Wikipedia isn't always right you know. ;)It WAS the 15th, the 14th must have been an old release date that was never updated, and it recently got pushed back to the 16th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.154.24.147 (talk) 07:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Speculation

I've removed some vaguely sourced speculation. I've retained actual sourced statements. --Tony Sidaway 19:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Canadian release date

on the Canadian best buy website it says Assassin's Creed releases on November 16th. is it really? J.C. 04:54, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, the article doesn't clearly define the Canadian release date. I do not know if Chanda has the same release dates as America or not. JayKeaton 06:16, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

i looked at Kane & Lynch: Dead Men on bestbuy.ca and it said it releases november 15th, a day after the U.S. release date. J.C. 06:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

But Assassin's Creed isn't Kane & Lynch.--User:Kai81123 12:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

ASSASSIN'S CREED ISN'T KANE AND LYNCH!!!!! ALLERT THE PRESS!!!! 142.165.59.39 02:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't the official website have the North American release dates? It seems the only source is IGN on this wiki page, which seems dubious at best. I'm at work so I'm unable to check gaming sites (Wiki, thankfully is cool ☻), but you'd figure the best source would be an official one. American and Canadian release dates are usually the same. - Louis 167.1.143.100 17:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Official sites can be behind the actual news with these things, probably because the publishers are not in direct control of official websites. The best bet would be sites like Amazon.com or asking an EB sales person to check the latest update on their release books. I cannot say with absolute certainty that official websites are not up to date, but my experience is that they do not get frequent updates and can be months behind if not fully abandoned around the time of release of a game (especially multi format games) JayKeaton 17:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I know that it's not out in Canada yet... comes out on the 15th, according to EB where I have it preordered - Louis 167.1.143.100 17:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. We really do need to figure out when it will be released because the release date information will be in this article forever, so we need to sort it out soon. JayKeaton 18:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Has anyone in the US recieved a copy yet? Again, I know that it'll be out tomorrow (Nov. 15th) here in Newfoundland, Canada... Hardly an official answer on the delay, but when I asked MicroPlay about it they mentioned it had something to do with finding a publisher or some such. Sounds kinda lame to me ⌐_⌐ ... - Louis 167.1.143.100 —Preceding comment was added at 17:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

According to the Assassin's Creed website: Assassinscreed.com there is an anouncement stating the game will hit the stores on November the 16th. That should help with the confusion on when the game is released. 24.226.195.58 17:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Hardly, given that I have my copy today. Nov. 15th. -Louis 167.1.143.100 17:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Bestbuy canada released Assassin's Creed today. thanks for everybody's help. -- J.C. (talk) 19:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Japanese release

I noticed the Japanese official site for AC makes no mention of a PS3 release and even heads: "Assassin's Creed (Xbox 360)". Will there be a PS3 release for Japan at all? I could imagine how MS swings a large green bag of money on Ubisoft's desk... PBz0r 17:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I have heard that the Japanese PS3 version has been delayed until next year... but I do not know how acurate that is. We will probably hear more soon. 142.165.59.39 00:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect limited edition specifications.

The Altiar figure included with the limited edition is only 3 in. tall, not 10 in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.8.143.11 (talk) 14:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

The UK Limited Edition is completely different. Including the base the figure is a little over 10 inches. However this set completely lacks any of the other features (Penny Arcade Comic, Mini Guide, Bonus Disk). I purchased the PS3 version and have yet to load it up so the Bonus Disk features may be included on the disk. 82.19.99.85 13:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

What are the 3 tenets of the creed again?

Please include them in the article, how do they go again?

1) An assassin must not hurt the innocent. 2) Blend into the crowd and.. 3) An assassin must do nothing to compromise the order.

Of those 3 I think I violated tenets 2 & 3. Frequently. Is that the right order though? Please include them in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.63.78.27 (talk) 01:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks all in order. I wouldn't put this in the game article. This would work well in a Hashshashin(fiction) article.

"Reviews" section

"Reviews have generally been positive". Im not sure about that, half are 7 half are 9ish. I would say "mixed" is more accurate.

Source: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/assassinscreed#critics —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.121.139.75 (talk) 04:22, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I think 7 is still a good review. if someone gave it a 4, and others an 8, mixed would be more appropriate. J-ſtan^Talk_Contribs 04:26, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

For some reason, video game review sites score nearly all games between 7 and 9, about the only time you will see something below 7 is if the game is extremely flawed or spectacularly bad. A 7 review generally indicates a mediocre game. Resistance is Character-Forming 15:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Then you must have a very small game collection. Using Game Rankings (which eventually has more reviews than Meta), if its over 70% it would be what I call "generally favourable" however this game has 81% so yes, that would be positive. Stabby Joe (talk) 01:12, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Ubisoft is using legal threats to prevent websites from using Jade Raymond's image in satirical comics about Assassin's Creed

Removing text of C&D letter (from Ubisoft to Somethingawful, apparently copied in full) to protect Wikipedia from Copy-vio issues - Masem Resistance is Character-Forming 15:20, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

If this is a significant issue that Ubisoft is preventing fair use for parody, there will likely be an article about it that we can add from a reliable source. --MASEM 15:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Here is the comic in question [image removed] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Resistance is Character-Forming (talk • contribs) 15:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikia

Hey, where can a shameless plug be put in for the Assassin's Creed Wiki on Wikia? Cymbalta 20:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Altair's name

In the game manual, Altair's full name (Altair Ibn La-Ahad) is said to mean "Son Of None", but the wikipedia article says it translates to "The flying one". Any idea which is correct? (and even if the current wikipedia entry is correct, I think the manual meaning should also be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.249.83 (talk • contribs) 16:59, November 16, 2007

IIRC, Altair means the Flying One, Ibn- La-Ahad means Son of None. Does that make sense? Cymbalta 21:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Parkour

On the main page for Assassin's Creed as well as the page for Altair i think that any instance of free running should be changed to parkour because that is what Altair uses. Look at the pages for Free Running and Parkour and you will know the difference.

From my experience, the terms are interchangeable. (Mad Gouki (talk) 02:48, 18 November 2007 (UTC))

No, Parkour is the art of getting past obstacles as fast as possible, while free running is the same, it is more fancy and more of a sport, so parkour is more suitable, even though the game states that it is free-running.--Nighthawkzx (talk) 03:34, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

The game does not take place in the year 1191

The game takes place during the year 2012. There is enough evidence in the game to support this. The Altair parts are in 1191. If this is too much of a spoiler please remove it (Mad Gouki (talk) 05:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC))

I already rewrote the plot to reflect the fact you are controlling Desmond experiencing Altair's memories, with those memories taking place in 1191. The lead may be off though. --MASEM 05:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Game is out

I dont ow the game, and im not sure exactly when it came out ( was away for a few weeks), however Im sure its out now, and so the date should at least be given (not 'due for release') and perhpas someone who has played it could briefly add something to the article.172.188.104.238 (talk) 11:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

"Story" section reads like a press release

Could somebody put an accurate story synopsis in this section? Right now it only gives a summary of the game introduction with a big question mark over the rest of the game. Fine for the blurb on a game case, but not an encyclopaeic article. I would add one myself but I haven't actually played the game.Rokos 23:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm currently expanding it, will get to editing it fully, but someone has to rephrase my words, to make it better.--Nighthawkzx (talk) 12:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Delayed to Nov. 21 in AUS and NZ

The game has been delayed until November 21st for both Xbox 360 and PS3 versions. This ONLY applies to Australian and New Zealand releases. I assume that the 13th is still go in NA. link Delayed 142.165.59.39 03:01, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Technical Issues

This game is incredibly flawed when it comes to glitches, and, in my case, render the game impossible to complete.

PS3 users are reporting repeated crashes amongst other issues, whereas I own the XBox 360 version of the game. Everything's been fine with it aside from a few minor glitches, however on the sixth memory block it gets to the point where it all falls apart.

On some instances you'll fall through the ground. Characters won't react to you properly, sometimes ignoring you altogether. Most times I've seen another Altair that mimics the actions of the original. You can target him and even kill him, which results in death. It seems as if all the enemy characters are "doubled" when this happens. In the end, even if you try to complete the section with 2 Altairs running around, the events don't seem to play out as they should and you cannot proceed any further.

Unfortunately, I've only read about it in forums (aside from my own experience). It's in the official bug/glitch topic in the Assassin's Creed forums. There's too many issues to note with the game, but no response on how to fix any of them. Some have reported beating the game, whereas many cannot complete it.

It's amazing that Ubisoft would let the game be released in such a broken state. Hopefully something official will pop up soon... in the meantime, I will continue to search for a valid reference for the article. -Louis 142.162.85.47 (talk) 22:38, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I haven't had any problems other than Altaïr clipping through walls on some attacks. Does this stuff have anything to do with the Wikipedia entry tho? (Mad Gouki (talk) 02:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC))

If they receive press attention, they are.Yeago (talk) 05:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I own the Xbox 360 version of the game and I experienced a few crashes myself. More notably when you had to kill the doctor. If he is in the air due to clipping and you kill him you'll fall endlessly in the cinematic and never receive the dialog that you were meant to get with him. 38.107.138.125 (talk) 13:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

UPDATE: Well, Louis again... I found out the problem (apparently). The issue lies with having another controller and/or ethernet cable connected. I read in a forum that you should uplug both and try again if you experience the issue I spoke of (2 Altairs glitch). Don't know which caused the problem, but I was able to finish the game this way. Goofy resolution to a goofy glitch. :S