Talk:Atum: A Rock Opera in Three Acts

Sources

1. https://www.stereogum.com/2199916/the-smashing-pumpkins-beguiled/music/
2. https://pitchfork.com/news/the-smashing-pumpkins-announce-new-album-atum-a-sequel-to-mellon-collie-and-machina/
3. https://www.nme.com/en_au/news/music/smashing-pumpkins-release-new-single-beguiled-and-tell-us-about-their-three-part-rock-opera-atum-3313249
4. https://blabbermouth.net/news/smashing-pumpkins-announce-new-album-atum-share-beguiled-single
5. https://pitchfork.com/news/the-smashing-pumpkins-announce-fall-2022-north-american-tour/ (your on support)
6. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/smashing-pumpkins-beguiled-atum-new-album-1234595819/
7. https://www.kerrang.com/billy-corgan-smashing-pumpkins-atum-mellon-collie-sequel
8. https://www.kerrang.com/amp/the-smashing-pumpkins-announce-33-track-three-act-rock-opera-album-atum
9. https://consequence.net/2022/09/smashing-pumpkins-rock-opera-atum/

Sergecross73 msg me 14:06, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Title/classification

So, this album is a bit different than most, so we're in some uncharted waters a bit. Just to get ahead of a few issues I believe we'll see eventually:

1. I'm not 100% certain Atum: A Rock Opera In Three Acts is the correct placement of the article, but I currently prefer it over ATUM: A Rock Opera In Three Acts per WP:ALLCAPS and over Atum (album) per WP:NATDAB.
2. Additionally, as far as I can tell, even though its 3 separate releases of 11 songs each across 2 separate years...it's still being classified as one album, not 3. That's how sourcing I've seen show it so far at least. That may change though. Sergecross73 msg me 17:51, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

The primary sources are mostly using all caps, but I think that's relatively unimportant matter. They did the same for CYR but here and reliable sources usually use Cyr. The three acts together are for sure considered a single cohesive album by the band, but some outlets and RIAA certifications (if there will be any) will probably count it as three based on the volume of songs.

@Sergecross73 I did want to ask: Are we sure Sumerian is involved with this album? I know they were supposed to be originally, but their website and social media accounts haven't said a word about the album or new single. I heard a rumor that Sumerian released an unapproved version of Cyr to the dismay of Corgan, and I'm guessing that's why they aren't involved anymore. — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:40, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't know, actually. I wrote most of the current article, but someone else added that part in afterwards. I didn't question it because I thought I had read that in passing, but it could be that I was thinking of Cyr. By all means, let's remove if we can't actually confirm. Sergecross73 msg me 17:49, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Rating

User:Sergecross73, why do you think this doesn't merit a C rating? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't even notice that. I was just trying to illustrate that I didn't think the sources should be listed like that because they were largely already implemented. I'll restore that part. Sergecross73 msg me 19:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Thumbs up emoji. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Reception

It seems that this article could really benefit from a reception section with some reviews. 86.6.72.156 (talk) 16:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, go for it! Sergecross73 msg me 16:09, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Box-set songs removal

Anonymous editor(s) keep removing that part of the track list, without any explanation. Is there something contentious here, or is it just misguided or vandalism? Sergecross73 msg me 13:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Page overhaul

I have been meaning to do overhaul for this page for a while but haven't found the time until now. I have done extensive work on the Aghori Mhori Mei page and looking back through the discography some of the more recent albums, they need some TLC. Just off the top of my head here are some of the items I want to look at:

1. Improve the lead to adequately summarise the page.
2. General tidy and expansion of existing sections.
3. Generally improving references.
4. Add Critical reception section and write ups of reviews.
5. Add Title and artwork section.
6. possible section or sub-section for the thirty-three podcast, as its quite a unique feature in the rollout for the album.

Edit:

1. add sub-section for Zodeon at Crytal Hall

If anyone wants to jump in and help that would be amazing. I'm not the best at spelling and punctuation, so please feel free to mop up after me, as I do miss these things. I will cross out these notes as they are completed. EL Foz87 (talk) 00:01, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Go for it. The bulk of the article is what I could gather on it prior to its release, and I never went back to expand it further because I lost interest. Sergecross73 msg me 00:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)