Talk:Augusta Read Thomas

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Hey, I don't think she left Northwestern--at least I hope she didn't, as she's the whole reason I applied there. She's still on the university's faculty page (it doesn't list her as "emeritus") and I couldn't find anything on her personal webpage about it.

--Never mind, I found it. Hey, that really sucks... I wonder who'll replace her.

RE: Northwestern has had some trouble funding positions well, and providing tenure to people who deserve it- the people on top haven't been making very good decisions, and it's been crippling the comp department, which must be frustrating to the faculty on a variety of levels. IMO, Augusta Read Thomas was at Northwestern because it was close to the CSO. She wasn't taking new students this year, anyway, but she was finishing up with people that had begun studies with her. SInce her CSO composer in residence ended, I don't think she had as much of a reason to be there. We'll all miss her influence in Chicago...

Riceklang 06:05, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

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After graduating from high school, Thomas enrolled as a music student (specializing in trumpet performance) at Northwestern University in 1983.[1] Thomas studied with faculty members and composers Alan Stout and M. William Karlins.[2]https://www.northwestern.edu/magazine/northwestern/fall2001/features/encoreaugusta/index.htm

After earning a bachelor's degree from Northwestern, Thomas attended Yale University to pursue a master's degree in composition. There she studied with Jacob Druckman. [3] Thomas did not complete a degree program at Yale, finishing her master's degree at the Royal Academy of Music in London in 1989. [4]There, she studied with Paul Patterson, the Manson Chair of Composition Faculty. [5] Seven years after graduating from the Royal Academy of Music in London, Thomas was elected one of its Associates (ARAM, honorary degree), and in 2004 was elected a Fellow of the Royal Academy of Music. [6] In 1999, she won the Award of Merit from the President of Northwestern University, and a year later received Northwestern's Alumnae Award. [7] [8]

Immediately after receiving her degree from the Royal Academy of Music [9], Thomas was awarded a Guggenheim Fellowship in 1989. [10]

Msavannah44 (talk) 15:01, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your request above.

Just a couple of points here...

Some of the sources you provide appear to be profiles at past employers' websites. These are generally not independent sources as they are likely to have either been written by the subject or written based on info provided by the subject. Is there difficulty providing sourcing for the events in question in independent mainstream media?

Awards given by Northwestern University to alumni are unlikely to be of encyclopaedic interest. Inclusion would probably be classed as promotional. Axad12 (talk) 17:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok so then explain why all other living composer pages have similar credits and citations:

Thomas Adès

Jennifer Higdon

George Crumb

Mason Bates

These are objective facts about the famous person and the sources are from the institution itself that can verify the accuracy of the fact noted. There are other sources as well, but I don't understand why the first hand account of the fact wouldn't outweigh some third party newspaper article that references the primary source. Anyone looking for more information about any of these composers would particularly like to know the institutions and other experts in the field they were associated with. If you see this as promotional, then there would be almost no information about any of the individuals on Wikipedia that have their own biography page. Msavannah44 (talk) 18:00, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

The fact that other articles are also problematically cited isn't an argument that problematic citations should be included here. It is an argument that such sources should be removed elsewhere.

I do not doubt that the material is factual, I am simply requesting that it be verified by reliable independent sources, which is a standard requirement for material to be added to Wikipedia.

Please note that Wikipedia attempts to reflect what is reported in secondary sources - the reason being that they are independent of the subject. For further detail here see WP:PRIMARY and WP:SECONDARY.

When it is impossible to source material from secondary sources it is an indication that the subject may not be notable for inclusion in the encyclopaedia, not that there is some kind of flaw in the sourcing policy.

To be honest I am quite surprised that you are a paid editor but yet you seem to have no familiarity with basic Wikipedia requirements on sourcing. I provided you with abundant background on that topic back in October, which you seem to have ignored. That formation was provided in good faith in an attempt to help you.

I am a volunteer here trying to ensure that COI edit requests conform with policy, there is no need for the aggressive attitude demonstrated above commencing with "Ok so then". Axad12 (talk) 18:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)