Talk:Automation Master

This article probably should get deleted

This article probably should get deleted. There is zero indication of wp:notability. The standard (briefly) is substantial coverage of the topic by suitable published secondary sources. I'll wait and see if that appears. Also editing under guidelines prescribed for (high risk of) COI situations might be a better approach. I wish you the best in trying to establish this product, but that's not what Wikipedia does. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 10:20, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Reinforcing the "wait" comment above, per discussion at my talk page we should give this some time to see how it shakes out. North8000 (talk) 13:51, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

This effort appears to be advertising for the open source project. I don't see it getting WP:N until the project matures. A lot of the article is Hitchens did X. Other parts seem to be user manual material. I'll laud the effort, but the editor is too close to the material. Glrx (talk) 01:26, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

There was more substantial discussion about this at my talk page (the "Automation edits" section). You are probably right, but being a newbie who doesn't understand, I think that we need to make sure that they fully understand that this all hinges around whether or not they find and put in WP:notability suitable source(s) and then whether or not they do so. North8000 (talk) 12:39, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Copy of post I made at editor's talk page:

"Max, I hate to split this discussion into three places but wanted to make sure you see this and understand. I think that you are doing a great thing with your project. Wikipedia might or might not be a correct place to cover it. In the complicated alternate universe of Wikipedia, it all boils down to this. The article topic must satisfy the threshold set at WP:Notability in order to continue to exist. And wp:notability is not about notability, it is about coverage in independent sources. And that boils down to basically this: You need to find some published, somewhat in-depth coverage of the topic of the article by independent sources. And at least note the specifics of those in the article. One might do it but two are probably needed. If you do this, the article will almost certainly stay. If you don't do this, the article will almost certainly get deleted. Somebody else could force the issue in 1 day, but my opinion is that wikipedia should to give you another 30 days to get this done. Sincerely, North8000"

North8000 (talk) 12:59, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

There has been substantial additional discussion at my talk page (See "Automation Master 2" section). Long story short, my suggestion / opinion is to let this sit for several months until he can get to his sources material. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 20:37, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I tagged the article for notability. I don't want to step on the editor, but the article has problems. Contributing to more general topics (rather than a specific product) would give a better experience. It was for a 8086 then 80286. No Google first page hits. Glrx (talk) 00:00, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

I understand. I also agree that wp:notability has not been established, and that a search does not seem to indicate it. But conversations from the author indicated that they may have such sources but they are in a locker on a different continent which he will not have access to until the summer. My thought is that there is no harm done and possibly some good done (with both the coverage and the editor) by delaying the issue some months at which point the editor will be able to take their best shot at it and it could be clearly determined. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:07, 19 January 2014 (UTC) North8000 (talk) 15:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

The references needed for this article were in a storage locker in PA. Unfortunately, the storage locker was broken into and the tote labeled "Memorabilia" containing my coin collection (my retirement contribution from my paper route as a paperboy), photo, diplomas as well as the folder containing promotional material and the references for this article. It sounds like "the dog ate my homework" but it happens to be true. I tracked down Larry Gould who wrote 3 articles in New Hampshire and got his articles for inclusion. I am adding them now. I need to track down Marty Weil in Chicago and see if he has copies of articles that he wrote and add them. I will continue editing this article as I locate the references. It is not linked to anything else. Please be patient.Maxhitchens (talk) 22:23, 17 July 2014 (UTC)