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@MPGuy2824: Thanks! North8000 (talk) 15:37, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year, North8000!

Happy New Year!

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Sending a lot of these is what I was blocked for. :(

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@Moops: Thanks for the compliment! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:53, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Ping

I forgot to ping you at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Summary of discussion so far.

So, this is your ping.  ;)     — The Transhumanist   01:13, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

@The Transhumanist: Thanks! North8000 (talk) 03:51, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring

Since you cannot decipher the diffs, I'll be happy to do step-by-step edits for your edification. The result will be the same. Just stay out until I'm done. Grorp (talk) 04:14, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

@Grorp: Not that you can make that demand, but it's fine with me. And stop making false accusations of edit warring. Nobody has crossed that line yet but you are much closer to it. It's a highly contentious article with significant warranted concerns about COI edits by Scientology folks. A massive bundle of individually un-revertable edits is a way to remove scrutiny by making it too time consuming (not the BS "cannot decipher" crap) to review/deal with which is not appropriate in this case. And so a more incremental approach is common practice for these cases, not for my "edification" Please unbundle into individually revertible edits with edit summaries, or take it to talk if you disagree with that approach. I don't know the situation with regards to yourself, but if you are simply NPOV working to improve the article, thank you for your efforts. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 04:29, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

If you have no prior knowledge of my editing work in the Wikipedia pages of Scientology, then I invite you to look at my edit history (contributions). FYI, tiny-steps-edits are not my style and don't fit with the way my brain works while trying to update out-of-date articles. When I feel there might be blowback on an edit, I usually have more to say than can fit in an edit summary and direct readers to the talk page. The rest of my edits are pretty recognizable and/or non-controversial. By now, I'm pretty sure you've been able to see that the edits I had made in that article were not controversial at all.

Most of the Scientology articles were written in the flush of massive public interest around 2008 when Anonymous came on the scene to protest Scientology. Many of the articles have little "digs" that aren't really appropriate for an encyclopedia, and are not necessary for readers to understand the subject. As such, a lot of the 'see also' and 'external links' sections are bloated with redirection to other (usually negative) articles of Scientology which are unrelated to the topic of the page. Citations have aged and need their URLs updated from current websites or copies gotten from online archives. Many articles suffer from "too many cooks" (including enthusiastic additions by critics and careful excisions by Scientologists) and no longer make any sense when you read them; those need straightening out.

The article Scientology status by country has been on my list of things to work on, but Xxxxx's edit took me there and one thing led to another. I hope my transfigured incrementals makes sense to you. Don't, however, expect incrementals from me as a custom. It is my hope that you will recognize the style and worth of my edits and see my good faith efforts to improve the encyclopedia and be willing to try to decipher atypical diffs rather than request exhaustive explanations. Grorp (talk) 05:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

@Grorp:} Thanks for the ping, the explanation and your work. My points remain the same and so I won't repeat them. IMO my comments regarding large bundles of edits on controversial article might be useful to you. It ended up well including your most recent set of edits and so again, thanks for your work. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 22:12, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

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Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Thanks! I try. North8000 (talk) 00:49, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

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Why did you delete my comment...

Here you deleted a comment I made during a thread on Trickle-down economics at NPOVN. Can you please tell me what was inappropriate about my comment? Thanks! --Jayron32 19:55, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@Jayron32: I wanted to give you a quick response. Going into a meeting in 10 minutes and may not be able to fix until about 2 hours from now. It was my screw-up and I don't know how I made that error. Please accept my apologies. I'll fix or else feel free to beat me to it. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 20:02, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Trickle-Down NPOV topic

Your last addition was fantastic. I've been trying to make this point for awhile and I think your example is the best one so far. We need to be very careful discussing impacts because we are validating the concept in wikivoice. The welfare queen example is perfect. If we say this is the impact, we de facto are calling them welfare queens through synth. Good response! Squatch347 (talk) 20:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

@Squatch347: Thanks! I have an interest in this term-related structurally more than NPOV. In this case it has NPOV impact. In other cases it sows eternal confusion at the article even when there is no NPOV issue. North8000 (talk) 20:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

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@Nikkimaria: Thanks. It was my pleasure. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:59, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

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Re: 3RR

The relevant text is in the pink box located at the WP:3RR hyperlink - An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes or manually reverses other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert.

Best. Newimpartial (talk) 21:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

I read that differently. That if a combination of consecutive edits is a revert, it's still a revert even if each one alone is not. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:42, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

I hear what you're saying, but given the very generous way individual edits are interpteted as reverts in general, it isn't clear to me how a revert could emerge in the aggregate from edits that are not themselves reverts, considered separately. But in any event, the "case law" at WP:3RRN is fairly clear that consecutive edits always count as only a single revert. Newimpartial (talk) 21:49, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

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COI "gap"

Hello North8000,

Just a quick note to greet you outside of a noticeboard discussion.

I appreciated your recent comment at the COIN thread [1] that there is something tangible, in certain closely examined cases, between "strongly discouraged" and "forbidden" re COI editing. Part of the community seems to be using the "wikilawyering" charge to shut down any thoughtful exploration of that gap, which I find egregiously unjust.

You make the comment above that "too often Wikipedia is a nasty place". I feel this, and may or may not resume editing the encyclopaedia.

In case it's of interest, I made some general comments re my concerns about the editor experience, and tendentious applications of WP policy, in my statement at my user page. [2]

I found the content and tone of your contribution to that thread refreshing.

Sincerely, Walton22 (talk) 21:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@Walton22: Thanks for the post and compliment. I really don't enough about the situation to have an opinion. The universe of Wikipedia editing can be a weird alternate universe and often a rough and tumble or nasty one. I don't have the wiki-minutes to take a deep broad dive, but if I can ever advise or help, let me know. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:55, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

@North8000: Thank you very much. I was happy to just make broad brush strokes now by way of this introduction, but I do very much appreciate the offer to counsel a little in the future if need be. "Alternate universe" is right! There is great potential for justice here, and indeed I see it happen often. Walton22 (talk) 16:23, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I think

you should check the spelling of Sarah Vaugn's name in your gallery. Carptrash (talk) 18:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Carptrash: Thanks. It looks like I have it (Vaughan) right. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:56, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

And while I have you here, what do you think of Bessie Smith & Ma Rainey as folk singers? I say "No" but it is always nice to meet a bold person who is actually willing to make the edits. Carptrash (talk) 19:15, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Carptrash: I have no expertise on them but their articles make zero mention of such and so I'd say no. North8000 (talk) 19:19, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Ping (April 2023)

FYI, the ping in your reply at ANI won't work. See the documentation at Template:Ping#Usage for more info. Cheers. XAM2175 ^(T) 21:56, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

@XAM2175: Thanks. There was one where I did it wrong and then fixed it a few minutes later. Is that the one that you are referring to? or did I make another error.  :-) North8000 (talk) 14:11, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

It's this edit at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents § Proposal to Indef DBachmann. The entire point of my message is that you can't fix it – the ping only works if all of these conditions are fulfilled in the edit where you place the ping template:

• The edit must add new lines of text, not just edit existing lines.
• The edit must be signed by adding ~~~~ to the end of the message.
• The edit must either be entirely within an existing section (it cannot have new section headers in the middle) or start a new section (starts with a new section header).
• The number of users to be pinged must be equal to or less than 50.

Thus, if you forget to add a ping, or get it wrong, the easiest thing to do is revert your reply entirely and then add it again with a working ping. Cheers. XAM2175 ^(T) 18:37, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

@XAM2175:Thanks much for your post. I learned from it. I thought that you just needed a new signature and a new ping. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 22:58, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

No worries, glad I could help! 🙂 XAM2175 ^(T) 23:26, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

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Accidental pings?`

Hey, did I accidentally ping you 3 times consecutively in my attempt to edit the Fox News RfC? If so, so sorry. Wait, wouldn't this talk page message make it 4? Oh no. -- Mebigrouxboy (talk) 03:51, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mebigrouxboy: I did get a couple of pings and it was bit confusing where they didn't go. Thanks for the pings and the post. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:19, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

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kkk

I think you may be misrepresenting me here. I am trying to abide by WP:CIVIL, as we all should. I find it troublesome, but perhaps it was just an accident? DN (talk) 04:24, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@Darknipples: I didn't write anything by accident nor did I write anything uncivil. I did civilly take issue with one thing that you said about those who feel opposite that you do but even that was just a sidebar to my post. From your apologetic post I think you are being sincere and so I would like to offer a thought that might be useful. I've familiar with TFD's work (for over a decade) and they are one of the most careful, non-emotional, academic and source-based editors that I've interacted with. Their arguments (and mine) are just trying to sort out / discuss the specific narrow topics that you opened the section with. I think that you are misreading this as being about some broader POV struggle. There's nobody there who likes the KKK. IMO there are people who want to make the KKK article be (just) about the KKK. What reinforced my thought about the possible misreading was that quote that you closed you post with is something the to me looks like excellent relevant material for the article but you seemed to mistakenly thinking that the people who want to exclude that (IMHO irrelevant) material that you opened the section with have some broader exclusion goals which they don't have. In short, you may be imagining a battle that does not exist. And that a good way to sort that out would be to not conflate the narrow topic of your post that started that section with the other topics that you are mentioning, and to use the test of relevance to the article to help sort things out. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:52, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

I'll clarify my so-called "absurd argument" for you. It's because it is excluding him, not entirely, but it's still exclusion. If that's how you want to interpret it, that's up to you. I clarified that I wasn't accusing anyone and that I was talking about under-representation, not disassociation. You seemingly used a misinterpretation as a means to discredit arguments I technically wasn't trying to make, which is a Straw man. That is not something I get bent out of shape over because it isn't typically uncivil. Where it crossed the line was calling it "absurd" (your word) which adds Appeal to ridicule on top of the misrepresentation. Now try to look at it from my perspective. If my response to you was..."I didn't write anything by accident nor did I write anything uncivil", what would you do? Would you still take the time to try to clear the air in effort to keep things CIVIL? Think about it, unfortunately I won't be responding on the article talk page until this gets sorted out. Cheers. DN (talk) 01:42, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

BTW I don't mean to sound condescending, by linking those logical fallacies. I do agree with and respect the rest of your explanation, but I don't feel as though I am being acknowledged or understood properly, so when I respond sometimes I overcompensate. DN (talk) 02:31, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@Darknipples: There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding. I NEVER said that you made an absurd argument. Let's let the actual words speak for themselves. Please review the following:

• You made the following statement: "While I don't agree with the explanations I've been given as to why excluding David Duke from the KKK article...."
• And I responded to /referred to that statement saying "you open with saying that somebody made the absurd argument to generally exclude David Duke from the article (which I don't see anyone having said anything like that)"

It is not abundantly clear that this is NOT calling your argument absurd? My complaint was that you were misstating the arguments of others in a way that makes them / their argument look absurd. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 13:51, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

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Carmel Valley Historical Society

@North8000: We have spoken before about the Carmel Development Company Building and the Edward G. Kuster articles, and I know you are interested in California History. Please check out the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carmel Valley Historical Society and add your 2 cents to keep the article. I think the article has merit and should not be deleted. Any help you can be provide would be appreciated. Thanks! Greg Henderson (talk) 22:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Greghenderson2006: I'd be happy to take a look and see what I think. In your approach to these things I'd suggest reading WP:Canvassing so that your efforts will be in compliance with that guideline. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:59, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, sorry about my approach, this has been pointed out to me. Just wanted to loop you into the discussion. Greg Henderson (talk) 15:04, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Archiving

Hello friend. Your user talk page is lagging my computer a bit. If you ever want me to set up bot archiving for you, just let me know, would be happy to help. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:42, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. I'll do some housecleaning. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 03:24, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I whacked over 1/2 of it. North8000 (talk) 03:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Oxenford railway station

Thanks for the thanks, but it wasn't me who wrote it. It seems the page curation tool needs to be made a bit smarter about identifying who did the work. Yes, my edit is the first, but all I did was make a redirect for a redlink. I didn't flesh it out. The credit lies with Reubot. Kerry (talk) 21:37, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@Kerry Raymond: Thanks for the post. I know that sometimes that is the case but it also puts the message on the talk page of the article. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:12, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

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Mohamed El Amine Hammia

Please be a bit careful when nominating players that have hundreds of top-flight appearances in populous countries, as you did to Mohamed El Amine Hammia. You need to do a WP:BEFORE search in the respective language of the subject to find the best results. Paul Vaurie (talk) 17:27, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Z@Paul Vaurie: If the sources exist, why don't you just put them in the article instead of writing posts like this? North8000 (talk) 22:06, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

What in the world are you talking about? You nominated the article for deletion. I am showing that there are sources, and that the subject passes WP:GNG. I don't have to go and add them into the article. We are evaluating the subject's notablity, not the quality of the article. Please review WP:BEFORE and WP:AFD. Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:11, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

See my previous post. If you think so, then put them into the article and settle it. North8000 (talk) 22:14, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about AZ Alkmaar in European football

Hello North8800,

There a lot of similar pages in Wikipedia. i.e. Liverpool F.C. in international football, 1. FC Köln in European football, etc. Could you please explain me why are you thinking of deleting this page?

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The reasons were the ones that I gave at the AFD. If you mean responding to the "similar pages" point that you made, when IMO there is pretty clearly a problem, I don't consider the face that other similar ones exist to be a reason to change that. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 17:59, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

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Your comments at PragerU

Could you please stop with sarcastic comments like these? [3] [4] They are not helpful. This is inappropriate behavior for a contentious topic area. ––FormalDude (talk) 22:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@FormalDude: I had a purpose in mind, and chose a lighthearted/indirect way to pursue it. (Rather than a direct nasty overreach like accusing of accusing a particular editor of "Making a habit out of" and "disruptive") Either way I don't plan to do any more of those there. Sincerely. North8000 (talk) 03:00, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry you felt I was nasty, that was not my intent. I've changed the heading. ––FormalDude (talk) 04:44, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@FormalDude: Thanks. I Updated with the strike. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 10:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

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Update on my status as a wikipedia editor

I just receive a notice on my talk page.

It seems I've been given a broad, indefinite ban on editing wikipedia articles.

No explanation has been given to me as to what I've done wrong.

I don't understand this. At all. Something is very wrong, here.

@Sbelknap: You are banned from editing certain Wikipedia articles. I've not looked at the background leading up to this. Regarding degree of culpability maybe there are three possibilities:

1. Your behavior was fine by both Wikipedia real world standards and the result was a travesty.
2. You behavior was fine by real world standards but (possibly in good faith.....ala "take it to talk") not by Wiki standards. With the most likely issue being WP:bludgeoning. And some thinking by the crowd that the referred to emerging-science that is overtaking widely accepted folklore widely presumed to be science-based but which has no basis in science.
3. Your behavior was outrageous by Wiki standards .....maybe extreme WP:bludgeoning and maybe strongly pushing ideas (aside from the above) which are actually fringier.

My guess is that #2 is most likely. If so, based on what you said at ANI you've probably learned that and already shifted course. If so, I'd suggest editing the 99% of Wikipedia that you are not banned from (and practice that) and then ask to have the ban removed in 6 months or a year. In case it might help and if you wish, I'd agree to watch you for a month after that.

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'll take you up on that. sbelknap (talk) 22:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Do you have the authority to review AFC submissions?

I notice that you consistently like my new articles but they have a lot of trouble with getting through AFC. Are you an AFC reviewer too? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 18:18, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: I think that the short answer is yes, (the long answer is that it is not an explicit authority) but I haven't been doing AFC reviews. I think that the (unintended) standard for getting out of AFC is tougher than passing NPP patrol because the AFC reviewer is sort of saying "this article is overall fine" where in NPP patrol we are sort of saying "it's OK for an article on this topic to exist." If you have one that you'd like me to look at ping me and I'd be happy to and do my first AFC review. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:44, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

@North8000: Here is one such page that I have been having trouble with Draft:KunitamaImmanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 18:24, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: That one has a few things that make it complicated. Let's say that it wasn't already at AFC and I ran across it as a harried NPP'er who has about 5 minutes or less to review the article. (NPP is basicaly a case of about 20 reviewers trying to review about 500 articles per day) . I'd give the article a quick first read and then look at the references. There is (only) one paragraph on line. The other 2 references are to off-line books. There is nothing wrong with that! However that leave me unable to verify suitable GNG coverage. Next I would try to read the article to understand what it is saying / to learn what I can from the topic. I must say that from a typical reader's standpoint, it is rough going. Throughout, your explanations utilize/depend on terms that the reader does not know. Many are linked, but IMO links are to provide additional info rather than to make the sentence understandable by a typical reader. So my recommendation would be to add a lot more plain English explanations. So I read the article (without reading/learning all of the linked articles) and really didn't get an understanding of the topic from reading it.....if I had, that would have helped me assess. So I'd google the topic. Didn't find any in-depth coverage but found enough to know that it's a real/legit topic and which sounds likely to have more substantial off-line coverage. So I'd take a gamble and give it a NPP pass. And I usually like to send the creator a note with a compliment or thanking them for their work. So, in my hypothetical scenario, I wasn't able to confirm that suitable GNG coverage existed, but took a guess/gamble that it does.

For this particular article, an AFC reviewer has already declined it so me jumping in would be a case of saying that I'm using my guess to override their review.

There are lots of possibilities here, too many to try to cover in my first post. Maybe a good next step is to ask for any thoughts of yours at this point? (as a prelude to discussing further) Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 19:40, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I’ll work on trying to make that one more comprehensible. What do you think about this one Draft:Suga Shrine?Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 23:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: If I were to run across that article during new page patrol, I would pass it. But IMHO it has the same readability problem that I discussed above. A reader could not learn anything from just reading it unless they first know/learn the specialized terms than nearly every sentence is dependent on. Let me give you an example.

• Sentence dependent on knowledge of the terms: The nucleus of the atom holds together because the strong force exceeds the Coulomb's law force.

• More explanatory...a person can learn something from reading it even if they do not know the meanings of the linked terms: Since the protons within a nucleus of an atom are positively charged particles, they electrostatic force would make them repel each other, tending to make the nucleus fly apart. But at the close distances within the nucleus, the strong force is even stronger, thus holding the nucleus together.

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

What do you think about this draft Draft:Izumo_clan? Also for some reason the reply function is not workingImmanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 06:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I think your signature might be breaking it Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 06:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

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Nice attempt to hide the truth.

Your removal of the Buffy Sainte Marie update that she is not Indigenous was corrected. Nice try. 2001:569:7133:1600:5428:DB94:1845:9CA5 (talk) 08:56, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

At the time it was an unsourced BLP violation, and that was explained. As sources became available, I supported the addition. However, your making this post with false accusations (even after you saw ptherwise...that I supported putting it in once sourcing was provided) IS a big problem. North8000 (talk) 10:53, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

I posted a known fact. You removed it. You should have done your research before removing it...or did you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7133:1600:9805:6498:BFE8:96DC (talk) 07:54, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

You have a lot of things backwards. See previous response. Also WP:V and WP:BLP North8000 (talk) 14:20, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

You have to admit what I posted was the truth and you removed that. At the time the truth was not available online as Buffy has spent 60 years (and the entire existence of the Internet) weaving her false story. Now Wikipedia is one of the only places where researchers can find the truth about Buffy. Encyclopedia Britannica (lies), PBS documentaries (lies), Numerous Major Award sites (lies) and pretty much the rest of the Internet and so called authorities have validated her lies. I am glad that numerous contributors updated her wikipedia page and you came to accept the truth, Buffy is a Pretendian. :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7133:1600:EC53:E8D5:9F9F:8ADB (talk) 00:17, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

You are oblivious to what I was saying but we ended up with something that was fine with both of us. So all's well that ends well. Happy editing! North8000 (talk) 00:21, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

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I've started a revamp of Wikipedia:Tools/Optimum tool set.

Please take a look and let me know if there are any essential techniques or must have tools that you think should be included.

Thank you.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   06:39, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@Transhumanist: What an interesting/ excellent page! I wouldn't know where to start regarding suggestions. My one thought is that it is written for people who have no knowledge in this specific area but sometimes presumes knowledge in it's explanations. Witness my unsuccessful experimentation (after reading it on that page) with how to make the daily tip appear at the top section. North8000 (talk) 14:18, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Very good feedback. Thank you. I wrote it to be copy/pasted from the viewed page, not the edit page. Do you think quotation marks would help?    — The Transhumanist   07:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@Transhumanist: Thanks! Suggest putting in what you just told me....copy from the viewed page, not the edit page. Also note that it's either one or the other...not both. North8000 (talk) 14:56, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Daily tip - trying to figure out how to make this appear at the top

I've added the code to your edit page immediately below. From here you can move it to wherever you want.    — The Transhumanist   07:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

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Brownsea Island Scout camp Featured article review

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Railway station

Hi. I'm here to talk about what you did with Piaseczno Narrow-Gauge Railway. It's a mess. You cannot just change he name of article (Wierzbno station) and pretend its entirely new article. You didn't write anything about the railway, you didn't change the interlanguage link, and you didn't mention any other railway stations. Not to mention it's not even the first time you took upon yourself to "delete" article about minor railway station without any discussion.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 12:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Artemis Andromeda: I was going to AFD the railway station article during NPP (IMO clearly fails wp:notability) but instead thought of using it to start an article on the rail line. I though another station article (with the same problem which I would have also AFD'd) which I thought was on the same rail line and planned to put material from both articles into the rail line article. I knew that it would temporarily be a mess, which is what you noted. Then I noticed that the second article was not on the same rail line. That is as far as I got. I think that an article on the rail line (including details and images on the stations) would work out excellently and survive. At this point, what would you prefer to do? Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:00, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Recapping, I was going to AFD the railway station article during NPP (IMO clearly fails wp:notability) but instead thought of using it to start an article on the rail line. There was another station article (with the same problem which I would have also AFD'd) which I thought was on the same rail line and planned to put material from both articles into the rail line article. I knew that it would temporarily be a mess, which is what you noted. Then I noticed that the second article was not on the same rail line. That is as far as I got. I think that an article on the rail line (including details and images on the stations) would work out excellently and survive. It turns out that the other station/article is not on this particular rail line. If I receive no response to my question below I plan to circle back and tidy the situation up a bit.North8000 (talk) 21:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@North8000: Don't start messes you don't intend to fix. Tell me, whose now gonna go and write an entire article about Piaseczno Railway? Me? You? Some third person who will stumble onto it in the next 10 years? You cannot just make messy articles like this and hope somebody else will fix it.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 15:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Artemis Andromeda: That's not an answer to my question, which seems a very reasonable one. In light of my response, what would like to happen next? Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 19:37, 10 November 2023 (UTC) North8000 (talk) 19:37, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Also, as a sidebar, you had numerous implied accusations like "don't intend" which are pretty creative, particularly in light of what I wrote. North8000 (talk) 19:41, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

If you wanted to delete the article, you should have had just report it for deletion on the notability basis. If you wanted to creat article about the Piaseczno Railway, you should have had just made a new article. Instead, you just changed the name, without changing any content in the article itself. It's now unencyclopedical, contins wrong categories, is still linked to Polish Wikipedia article about Wierzbno station, and talks only about this one station, and has basically no information about the railway line itself. You cannot just do that, and hope that somebody else will notice, and ever come to fix that, and write a proper article, because most of the times, nobody does (it's to niche to be notices).Artemis Andromeda (talk) 19:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Artemis Andromeda: Again no answer to my very reasonable question. This is far simpler and easier to resolve than you seem to think. Again, what would like to happen next? North8000 (talk) 21:58, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Request for feedback on two drafts

I have two drafts that I would like your feedback on

• Draft:Owari clan
• Draft:Yamato no Kuni no Miyatsuko

I feel both are currently in a good state but might need some improvement. I am planning on taking a break rather soon and hope I can get them through quickly before it Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 20:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: I was off the grid for a few days and it will be a couple days before I get caught back up in Wikipedia. North8000 (talk) 14:18, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Owari clan article

As an experienced NPP reviewer (and more recent AFC reviewer)

@Immanuelle: As an experienced NPP reviewer (and more recent AFC reviewer) I would pass it. The main criteria is "should this exist as a separate article in Wikipedia?", with wp:notability being the main question. There are no obvious GNG references to confirm this. However, taking into account the (very old) period and the more obscure topic, the apparent type and quantity of references, the large diversity of footnoted coherent content developed from the references, I would make a judgement call and pass it. North8000 (talk) 16:05, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

General article notes

From my limited knowledge of you past article, this looks much more readable and substantial that many of your previous ones. By readable" I've seen previous ones that as basicaly unreadable by a typical reader. In nearly every sentence they rely on knowledge of unfamiliar terms to understand what the sentence says. This article has far fewer of such problems. Alo0s it is more substantial and more content and source that your typical one.North8000 (talk) 16:05, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

As a typical AFC reviewer

As a typical (more cautious) AFC reviewer I might fail it or skip reviewing it. I'd see no clear cut GNG sources; it would take days of research to see if any of those sources confirm GNG compliance, especially since you did not include page numbers and the sources are off-line. And since you've had some troubles at the notice boards, I would be particularly cautious and err on the safe side. North8000 (talk) 16:05, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Yamato no Kuni no Miyatsuko article

This article is a bit weaker in all of the areas I discussed above in the Owari section. I'll need more looking at it before I could say anything. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 16:05, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

To a typical reader, this article is nearly unreadable. Nearly every sentence relies on knowledge on some obscure term to even know what the sentence says. Having an internal link to a term does not change that, a reader should not have to read another article just to figure out what each sentences says. Internal links are generally more "for further reading". Also, you are creating redlinks for plan English words where the target of the redlink is not even in the sentence. I would not consider these items grounds to reject an article, but having an article with a severe problem in this area is a significant problem. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 16:18, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@North8000: I tried to fix the Yamato no Kuni no Miyatsuko article. I see both of them were recently accepted. I noticed somehow the reply function broke so I am unsure what happened (unsigned by Immanuelle)

@Immanuelle: Cool. Hope my comments helped even if they were friendly-blunt. Wish you the best and happy editing! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@North8000: Yeah they were helpful. Yamato no Kuni no Miyatsuko is pretty difficult I think to explain and I will want to do further rewriting of it to make it clearer. btw are your pronouns he/him or is wikipedia just not set up weith them? I thought you had a pic and were a girl.Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 21:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: Cool. I have on my user page "I live in the USA and (to simplify the pronoun question for folks) am male." but beyond that I don't participate in stating pronouns. North8000 (talk) 21:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@North8000: I had thought this was a picture of you tbh

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@Immanuelle: Nope, just an image that I liked due to a combination of several things. I'm a lot older and uglier than that. North8000 (talk) 03:08, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@North8000 I think your signature is broken since I can reply to my comments but not yours Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 01:52, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 13:13, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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FYI this was undeleted at REFUND recently due to it being a soft-deletion. Just a courtesy heads-up given you were the last AfD nominator, and may wish to re-nominate. Cheers, Daniel (talk) 20:31, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

@Daniel: Thanks for the post and heads up. My nomination was just under trying to do my NPP job properly. It's still tagged for wp:notability and awaiting another NPP review. I might just let a second set of eyes review it. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 16:23, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:Scientology

Hello North8000, as described at the bottom of the recent edit-warring noticeboard discussion, I have removed some examples of unproductive remarks by all mentioned editors in Special:Diff/1194995281. Best regards, ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:38, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't agree that "I think it's time for you to mellow out. That would be much more pleasant for everybody, including you. " is an unproductive remark. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 20:54, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you for your comments on ANI about perspective (while I slept)! As you know, I have a DYK on the Main page, but my story would be different, about Figaro, - this Figaro. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:43, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: My pleasure and they were well deserved! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 00:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! - On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

story · music · places

Yesterday was a friend's birthday, with related music. - I'm on vacation - see places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for that interesting note! North8000 (talk) 14:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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NPOVN

This is turning into quite a little rant. I was considering a hat, but I think that honor should go to someone else. Do you have any further suggestions? Cheers. DN (talk) 02:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Darknipples: I have some ideas but I'm buried in RL for the next 2 hours. North8000 (talk) 17:54, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for looking in, I do appreciate it. DN (talk) 19:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

My pleasure. North8000 (talk) 19:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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@HeraTheGoddess: Thanks! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 17:36, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Group Otte

I replaced the notability tags you added to Group Otte with an expand German tag. When I was looking for additional sources I found the de.wikipedia article and the German name for the group. The de.wikipedia article has several German language sources in addition to the 3 or 4 now in the English article. Let me know if you still think it needs the tags. Ben Azura (talk) 18:05, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ben Azura: Cool. Thanks for your work. I marked it as reviewed. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 23:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, it looks like you are only interested in reviews done after 2023. I've modified the query to support this. The new query runs much faster (14s vs 325s) and also gives much less results which would make your post-processing easier too. Please fork it. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824: Thanks. I figured that we need to have it start somewhere, and in order to serve it's purpose, where interested people can be in and keep themselves in Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:20, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

BTW if we went back farther, there would be only one person in the running. So we're trying to create more folks doing that. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 21:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 21:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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Repeat !voting

You've now double-voted on at least two proposals at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/2024_review/Phase_I (in one case twice for the same position, in another case twice for different positions). --JBL (talk) 22:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@JayBeeEll: Thanks. I'll go look and fix. North8000 (talk) 01:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

It's hard to keep track with a gigantic page with about 40 proposals.North8000 (talk) 03:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

No kidding! --JBL (talk) 17:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I felt better when I saw that I gave edge case answers ("weak ...." and "Neutral") on the one where I had different positions! North8000 (talk) 18:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Haha, indeed. In one of them it had been fully 3 weeks in between, I think very understandable. It does look to me like you still have two oppose votes in proposal 4 and two supports in 16, though. --JBL (talk) 19:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I fixed. North8000 (talk) 19:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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Vigraharaja IV's first war against the Muslims

Hello, North8000,

I just thought I'd let you know that this article, which was just moved to this particular title, had the PROD tag you added last week removed. Editors used to be routinely notified if an article they tagged was de-PROD'd but that habit has kind of died out now that we have more articles being de-PROD'd than in the past. So, I just thought I'd alert you in case you wished to take it to WP:AFD. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@Liz: Thanks for the heads up. It was sitting in the NPP que for almost 4 months and nothing was happening on problems (including a severe one with the title and thus title-defined subject) long noted by others. With the title change it would probably need hours of learning by me or involvement of someone more knowledgeable on the topic than me to figure out what to do next. Either way it still has "waiting for NPP" flag on it. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 22:07, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Tokio Hotel's Your Christmas

I have found twice now this article redirected to the band's main article. This was down to "no evidence of notability", despite it charting at 42 on Official German Charts. Please enlighten me on what other evidence of notability is needed, because I thought if a song charted in at least one country, that's enough.

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@Bandit5660: The main idea of wp:notability, including the wording choices at N:Music is having the in depth coverage in sources from which to build an article from. Similarly in the discussions at other policies and guidelines even if one made points such as yours regarding the wp:notability condition. This article has no such coverage and no such content. IMO it should be merged into the band or album article. I'm going to step away from this one from a NPP standpoint (and also I'm not tagging it) and let someone else review it. Either way, happy editing!North8000 (talk) 14:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, Thanks for your note at AfC help desk. Appreciate your review/direct edits/comments on the draft page for closed-loop geothermal here: Draft:Closed-loop geothermal to improve probability of approval at submission. Thanks in advance. Nemesia345 (talk) 19:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Nemesia345: I copied them into the talk page of the draft....is that what you meant? Also, just clarifying, if you wish I could do the AFC review when you resubmit if you pinged me. I'd probably also do the NPP review at the same time. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 20:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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@Nemesia345: I did it. Nice work! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

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@North8000:, thank you for your review. Any chance you could look into Draft: Ami Dror as well? --Omer Toledano (talk) 15:48, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

The core question is whether or not there are independent sources that cover him in depth. If you could pick out the two references that best do this and ping me I'd be happy to take a look. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 16:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@North8000: Hi again. There is this article from "Shine News" in Shanghai, and this article (in Hebrew) in "Calcalist", references 32 & 33 respectively on the current draft. There is also this article on Israe21c, reference number 30 in current draft. In addition, Ami Dror is a prominent protest leader who is constantly sought after by television media, and radio. Your help would be greatly appreciated. --Omer Toledano (talk) 07:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Omert33: Those look very solid. My wiki-minutes are limited which is why I'm asking you to do legwork in order for me to help.

1. Are all 3 of those references currently in the article? (please be sure to answer this question even if not)
2. If not, can you put them in and then confirm to me?

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@North8000:, the answer is yes. All three references are in the article. --Omer Toledano (talk) 08:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Omert33: Nice work. I moved it to article space and NPP reviewed.Left a post at talk referencing this thread regarding GNG sourcing. North8000 (talk) 13:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@North8000:, thank you so much for your help but I now see that it has been nominated for deletion. Why are they doing this? --Omer Toledano (talk) 14:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not going to hypothesize. See my comments at the AFD. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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Page Review Request

Hi North8000, Thank you for reviewing the page I wrote about ThirumaLi and leaving an appreciation note saying nice work :) Thank you. I was wondering if you would also be able to review a page I wrote about Masala Coffee's founder - Varun Sunil, please? Thanks! 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 15:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

My Wiki minutes are limited, but if you could help a bit..... In your case it needs to have GNG sources, which means published independent sources that cover the topic of the article (Varun Sunil) In depth. Could you pick out the 2-3 sources in the article that you think best fulfill this requirement? Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Definitely. I understand. Sharing few GNG Sources for you to review them easier. Here's 1 (The Hindu Article - Considered a Reliable Source), 2, 3 Thank you for your time, North8000. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 17:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I did the review. Happy editing! North8000 (talk) 21:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you reviewed

Hi North8000. Thank you for your work on Amloki (TV series). Another editor, Sohom Datta, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Hey, Just wanted to let you know, Times of India (and WP:CHURNALISM reporting from other Indian news sources) are generally considered fairly unreliable. (See WP:NEWSORGINDIA).

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@Sohom Datta: Thanks for the post and info. I'm a bit confused in a couple ways......I didn't work on / edit the article. I left a note but didn't review it and you did. But thanks for the info. North8000 (talk) 01:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta: Do you have much experience with Times of India. I can understand where they they might not be reliable enough for various purposes (such as sourcing something controversial for BLP). But my most common situation is where `I'm evaluating for GNG coverage in the customary degree of stringency. For example, if they have a substantive article on someone that looks like a real article (not posting a bio supplied by the person). So we're basically looking for puplished independent coverage. Do you think that they fall short for that type of thing? Enough so to not look at Times of India when reviewing for GNG coverage? North8000 (talk) 01:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

(In response to your first question), PageTriage does list you as the reviewer (which is why I sent this note). Sohom (talk) 01:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

My approach to looking at Times of India for notability purposes is to take each and every individual article on a case by case basis. In the case of Amloki (TV series) almost all of the articles are short (compare the size of [5] vs [6] or even [7] which is just a fluffy summary of a tweet), do not have an attributed author and are written in the style of a press release which makes me doubt their reliability and neutrality. For most BLPs, companies and TV shows (basically any topic where paid publishing can be a concern) I tend to approach TOI reporting with scepticism from a notability POV. Sohom (talk) 01:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

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@North8000: Greetings again. Could you please take a look at this discussion on the talk page? Your view on the matter would be appreciated. --Omer Toledano (talk) 10:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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Re: AfDs

Hi North8000, I'd like to raise a concern regarding your AfDs and ask for clarification. I appreciate that you do a lot of review of new pages. However, I'm concerned about how thorough your WP:BEFORE searches are particularly as they relate to looking for native language sources are required under step B7 of the process. I notice that you've recently nominated articles for deletion where the primary language is Divehi, Arabic, Bengali, Filipino, Azerbaijani, and Japanese. These are quite varied languages and the probability that one person can do a competent WP:BEFORE search in all of these languages strikes me as unlikely. Understand you're a far more experienced editor than I am but it strikes me that in some cases articles may be getting deleted that would be kept if someone who spoke the language searched for sources. I appreciate that I was notified when you nominated a page I created but perhaps it would also be appropriate to somehow notify other editors who speak the appropriate language or consult them before making a nomination? Wikipedia is already known to have a systematic bias towards the Anglo world and I would hate for a pattern of AfD nominations to reinforce that bias. Just a note and appreciate that you help cull quite a bit of spam from the website. DCsansei (talk) 11:36, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@DCsansei: Thanks for that thoughtful post. I think that even the most thorough search in all languages would not result in a keep on the first 5 of those 6 and maybe also the 6th. Discussing all of them would be a long multi-faceted discussion on each of them I'm not able to do here right now. But maybe if you could pick one of theme to have a more in-depth discussion on I'd be happy to do that and I think it would be helpful. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I also don't consider myself qualified to evaluate the notability of most of the examples I provided: I don't speak those languages. My interest was piqued by Shibata Takumi (fund manager), an article I started a few weeks ago with the intention of coming back to but didn't expect the notability to be questioned. I struggle to see how you could come to the conclusion that he isn't notable if a BEFORE search was conducted. I'm working to improve the article a bit now to at least head-off deletion (with the intent of return to it further later). I found your response when I provided numerous sources a bit dismissive particularly as it relates to perpetrating Wikipedia's tendency to focus entirely on American/English topics despite being a global resource. Shibata was described (in English) by Reuters as one of Japan's most high-profile financial executives and there are numerous sources describing his various career moves. If English-speaking editors don't view one of the most high-profile business leaders in what was then the world's second largest economy as obviously notable on Wikipedia it's no wonder we have systematic bias. DCsansei (talk) 12:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@DCsansei: Well that was the "#6" that I referred to which could go either way. Long story short, structurally the current question is whether or not there are two (maybe one will do) published independent sources that cover the topic of the article (him) in depth. And the main point behind that is to see if there is enough published in-depth material to create a real wiki-article from. So the question isn't how "real world notable" he is, the question is whether or not those 2 sources exist. So if somebody googles a person and finds a whole lot of "hits" that doesn't answer that question. The real work is going through those hits to find the 2 (or maybe 1) sources that fulfill the relevant criteria (or find out that they don't exist). The flip side is that if those 2 (maybe one) sources exist to advise that keeping the article is far simpler than you think.....just identify those two sources and it's a "keep".

There might be a bit of a background thing that affected the shortness of my response. Which might be me (possibly mistakenly) assuming that you know all of the above. About the 20 most active NPP'ers need to do about 90% of the review work and right now we're struggling to get through / drowning in a 15,000 article backlog. With the "real work" part being sorting through a bunch of hits to find the 1-2 sources of the right type, your post could be taken as criticizing me for not doing that work while declining to actually do that work. Either way, thanks for your posts. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 13:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Admittedly, I was not pleased with being asked to do any "real work" since I'm on holiday this week so finding the 7-day AfD clock during time it would take away from vacation rather than work is not ideal. Not a knock on your work patrolling new articles which must run across a lot of craff. Could you take another look at the article now? I believe notability should be apparent now although I'll continue slowly reviewing Japanese sources. DCsansei (talk) 11:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@DCsansei: Here's a copy of my post at that "#6"

"Keep/withdraw The creator has increased it from 4 references up to 27 references. They've also asked me to take a look at those/the article as they are away on vacation/holidays. (IMO this mostly means analyzing all of the new references and finding the GNG-best ones per my request above)....happy to help someone enjoy their vacation/holidays and I did. Most of the best looking ones are behind paywalls, but as a minimum there are many near-GNG references by top tier sources. They have also expanded the article substantially with enclyclopedic content, also indicative of the addition of in-depth references. While I can't vouch for the most rigorous-interpretation GNG compliance, I have decided to switch to "keep/withdraw"."

Enjoy your vacation! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate your engagement here. DCsansei (talk) 07:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

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@DreamRimmer: Great! Please do! Thanks. North8000 (talk) 14:03, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and created User:North8000/New pages patrol/Reports in your userspace. Moving forward, a bot will take care of updating the data every 30 days. Plus, you can always grab the latest reports yourself by simply clicking 'Update the table now' whenever you want. – DreamRimmer (talk) 16:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer: Wow! Thanks. Is there a way I can export it to a file? Because that's how I was doing what I was doing. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Which format? – DreamRimmer (talk) 12:39, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer: I import into MS Access, so almost any structured file will do. But let's say Excel or .csv. If this is possible, thanks!North8000 (talk) 14:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Exporting from there isn’t possible, but you can use this website to download it as a CSV file. Just copy and paste the URL of the table page, then click on the send button. That’s all. – DreamRimmer (talk) 17:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer: Thanks! North8000 (talk) 16:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer: thanks for doing this while I was off-wiki.

@North8000: is this good enough for your workflow? I notice that the report has been refreshed a few times. Hopefully, one of those times was you. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:29, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824: @DreamRimmer: Yes, it worked out great and thanks to everyone. Just trying to learn a bit....what does that one run in seconds where the other one wouldn't complete even in hours. Or maybe I was doing something wrong. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:57, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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You are a remarkable editor in many ways. You would be a good administrator, in my opinion, and appear to be well qualified. You personify an administrator without tools and have gained my support already!

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@Maliner: Thanks! I try! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Seconding this, I've seen your work around in NPP, I've found most of your work to be pretty solid :) Sohom (talk) 19:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta: Thanks! North8000 (talk) 19:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Why not, please? North8000 is an expensive editor and I admire your work at NPP. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

North8000 is one of the remarkable page reviewers I've ever seen. The fast yet accurate is giving. You're now the third I'm owing a rock and I support all about you. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

• I have often and many times seen and been impressed by your competence, conduct, and clue North8000, and like the others here: I think you would be a very good administrator. I also believe that your RfA would easily succeed as your qualifications are readily obvious, robust and well rounded, and rock solid by any fair measure. Your temperament is as close to admin perfect as it can practically be. And it's unambiguously clear that your character traits are genuine (not a contrived cell in your body I'm certain). Wikipedia is better because of you and the gifts of your time given. Above all else, I sincerely thank you for that. And I would be thrilled to support you for adminship. Having said these things with best regards, I wish you wellness and good cheer.--John Cline (talk) 00:56, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@John Cline: Thanks. I'd be happy to serve but it's a big decision to go through the RFA process. North8000 (talk) 12:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

+1 – DreamRimmer (talk) 16:53, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm only seeing this now, good idea! Didn't know you weren't an admin yet. My email is open if you'd like to get some private feedback or talk about about a nomination. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

I really believe that you will pass your RFA with flying colors. Regards! Maliner (talk) 15:17, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, I do not think it is a good idea to continue a closed discussion, like what you have done at this section of the Jordan Peterson talk page regarding the Jubilee medal 14 minutes after the closure of that discussion. I have planned to revert it, but due to uncertainty over how appropriate the revision really is (and how appropriate it would be to revert it), I have found it better to instead discuss that revision here with you. CarlFilip19 (talk) 21:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@CarlFilip19: What I did was both OK and appropriate. Including responding to a comment/accusation about me wrongly implying that I was out of line because I participated in a discussion without an invitation. Or I could have reopened it to make it even more official. But it would be improper to revert it.  :-) Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@North8000: Thank you for nice response. Well, now that you say it, I will let you keep that comment of yours, especially to use an answer to resolve a conflict. CarlFilip19 (talk) 14:23, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

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@Gardenkur: Nice to hear from you again! Looks like all is going well. North8000 (talk) 12:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi North8000. Thanks for your response. Yes things are fine and hope the same with you. With other things on hand the contribution towards Wikipedia reduced, though efforts to improve this platform with guidance from all is always there. Gardenkur (talk) 02:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 13:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 13:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry!

I had no idea that I did this until I got the ping. Must've hit revert with my fat fingers. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: Thanks for the post. I was wondering about that. North8000 (talk) 22:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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Page Review Request

Greetings North8000, Hope you're having a great day! I was wondering if you could review a recent article I wrote about a record label Mass Appeal India, please? Here's couple of independent sources - 1, 2, 3, 4

Thank you! 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 13:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rydex64: Looks like someone already did it. Happy editing! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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Ami Dror

Why did you move that article to mainspace when rejected article to mainspace? scope_creep^Talk 14:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Scope creep: I don't know what you mean by the 2nd half of your sentence, but regarding the first half, IMO it's very solid that there is no reason for it to not be in mainspace. And on what is likely the main question, IMO has sourcing to solidly meet GNG, much more solid that a typical new article. In your AFD nom, you indicated that is has some low quality sources, I did not review all 57 sources, just enough to confirm GNG compliance. If some (or many) of the other 57 have the problems that you describe, that is not a reason to delete the article or preclude it from mainspace. BTW, I plan to move this thread to my talk page. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I posted this really quickly. I thought it was your talk page. scope_creep^Talk 15:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

See what the Afd says I guess. I can't believe I posted to your user page. scope_creep^Talk 15:33, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@Scope creep: No sweat. Wish you the best and thanks for your work. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hey @North8000, Hope you're having a great day! I wrote an article about Tech Panda & Kenzani back in March, and it's not reviewed yet. I'd really appreciate it if you can take a look! :) Thanks as always! 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 09:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Rydex64: Hello Rydex64. I really don't do "respond to request" reviews about current personalities/groups engaged in a business. This one would need a large amount of work going through all of the references to see if there some GNG references which it would need to have in order to pass wp:notability. But if you'd like to help pick out the references most likely to be GNG references, I'd be happy to review. This would be to select the 2-3 references which best meet the following criteria: Independent, published sources which cover Tech Panda & Kenzani in depth. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey @North8000, Oh apologies, I forgot to mention they're an Electronic music group/band. And surely, I will select the 3 best references for you to review easily. Here - 1, 2, 3 Thanks!

Hey hey @North8000, Sorry for the ping! I think the previous message might have slipped through your mind. Could you please take a look when you have a couple of minutes? Thanks a lot! :)

@Rydex64: Sorry I missed that you already looked. The first is just to the article but I did review it. Happy editing! North8000 (talk) 19:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Oops! Sorry haha, It was an accident. But, thanks for the review. Appreciate it! Cheers.

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@Red-tailed hawk: Thanks for the note. I was thinking that it was obvious because I noted in the edit summary that it was implementing a merged decided at AFD, and the talk page discussed what the source article was. But better to also put it into the edit summary which I didn't do. North8000 (talk) 13:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

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Happy to. I posted there. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 13:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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@Teratix: Thanks for asking. Please do! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:33, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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I didn't think I was a member of that project but I'd be happy to look at the article. North8000 (talk) 13:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Found it....got invited 13 years ago and said I was more libertarian. North8000 (talk) 13:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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Done North8000 (talk) 15:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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@Cowboygilbert: thanks! 15 years flew by. North8000 (talk) 02:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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History section of Neural network (machine learning)

Dear User:North8000, thanks for your efforts! On 15-16 September 2024 I edited Neural network (machine learning). You reverted and wrote: "You are doing massive reassignment of credit for Neural Networks based on your interpretation of their work and primary sources and deleting secondary sourced assignments. Please slow down and take such major reassignments to talk first." So that's what I am doing now. (Not quite sure whether this should be done on the article's talk page or your own.) Please note that most of my edits just resurrected important old references deleted on 7 August 2024 in a major edit when User:Cosmia Nebula (whose efforts I appreciate) tried to compress the text‎. I also fixed links in some of the old references, added a few new ones (both primary and secondary sources), corrected many little errors, and tried to streamline some of the explanations. IMO these edits substantially improved the history section of the article, although a lot remains to be done. Now I'd like to ask you: please check out the details and revert your revert! Best regards, Speedboys (talk) 16:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Speedboys: Thanks for your work and your post. The series of rapid fire edits ended up being entangled where they an't be reviewed/ potentially reverted separately. In that bundle were several which IMO pretty creatively shifted/assigned credit for being the one to pioneer various aspect. So I'm not open to reinstating that whole linked bundle including those. Why not just slow down and put those things back in at a pace where they can be reviewed? And the the ones that are are a reach (transferring or assigning credit for invention) take to talk first. You are most familiar with the details of your edits and are in the best position to know those. I'd be happy to discuss at either place, but may I suggest having this general discussion here and any more specific ones at the article? Happy editing! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

User:North8000, thanks! Well, all the edits are backed by important references, and most of them aren't novel, just resurrecting old stuff deleted in a massive edit of 7 August 2024 that (unlike mine) has remained unchallenged so far. At your suggestion, I put it in the article's talk page. Speedboys (talk) 21:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

NPPing species

I'm curious how NPP plans to patrol articles on animal species? To meet the proposed guidance of "valid name exists" a species only needs to be published (no restrictions on being academic or peer-reviewed) using the oldest available, non-invalidated name purporting to be that new taxon. This would mean even a single self-published journal article would be sufficient for a species to have a valid name and therefore warrant a standalone article. And since at least some curated databases do not assess scientific merit of species descriptions they will automatically designate such species as having a "valid name" unless and until someone else publishes something calling it into question -- which means we technically could also have a reliable source for this species even if it is not secondary, independent, or significant. JoelleJay (talk) 00:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@JoelleJay: Thanks for the post. Didn't quite understand that last sentence. My first thoughts regarding the other items in your post:

• Several folks who know this area a lot better than me spent a good amount of time developing the proposal. And so sooner or later it needs to go up for an RFC rather than dying under it's own weight like many discussions do. I think that it pretty clear that people would be open to tweaking it/ modifying it. IMO such a two-step process is probably even the best way to move forward. Get something reasonable in place and then have a separate conversation on where it needs changes. Or maybe it will go fine as currently written.
• Regarding "how NPP plans to patrol articles on animal species", I don't think that there is an overall plan. Speaking for myself, I'll need to learn / get fluency on that area to evaluate that sourcing. I'm guessing that once I do, patrolling one of those will be 20 times easier than the kinds of situations that we are already dealing with. Like in gng-dependent sports articles where the standard is technically GNG but in practice it isn't.
• After the (presumed positive) close, if you have an idea on a change to improve it, I'd be happy to work on it with you and support it.

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, the issue as I see it is that the proposal claims that it's impossible to have a valid name without reputable academic sources when this is flatly false for millions of species. Before this proposal, you could dismiss self-published sources via WP:V; but if this passes we now have a guideline explicitly endorsing creation of articles based only on one self-published source. You could argue that WP:V overrides this, but then we're already actively flouting WP:PRIMARY so why should we expect people to observe the one policy but not the other?

The point I was trying to make with the last sentence is that even if someone is trying to avoid self-published sources (even though they would satisfy the guideline), they may assume that the content in a database is RS and secondary when actually it isn't. I showed that mollusks have essentially zero oversight in the mollusk database -- some species get "valid name" status immediately on publication of the primary discovery paper because the author is also a curator for the database, and some species still get this status automatically despite being self-published by someone known to be a taxonomic vandal. We likely have hundreds (maybe thousands? we'd need @BilledMammal to query this) of articles sourced only to this database (or that plus the primary source) that have had no documented secondary evaluation at all and yet would be impossible to delete with this guideline in place. JoelleJay (talk) 22:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@JoelleJay: Starting with the caveat that you have more expertise than me on this.... Let's be pragmatic on this. Positing that it passes, is there a recommended change that you would make? Or let's discuss to potentially develop one. North8000 (talk) 23:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I detailed some changes that should happen in a reply somewhere in that discussion. JoelleJay (talk) 23:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Done North8000 (talk) 14:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 14:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Query

Hello, North8000,

I was looking into the situation of a blocked editor after seeing one of their drafts, see User talk:ⵟⵓⵔⴽⵉⵙⵀⴽⴰⴱⵢⵍ and noticed that you posted over 30 messages to their User talk page after they were blocked, encouraging them on their editing. While well-intentioned, this seems excessive to me. I'm not sure if these notifications happen automatically or whether you chose to post 30+ talk page messages but I think you should limit the messages to 2 or 3 per day or it easily could be overwhelming especially when it is the exact same message each time. I can see that perhaps you didn't know that the editor was blocked and couldn't respond but it's still just a helluva a lot of messages to an editor on the same day.

If this is editing behavior that you no longer do, then just ignore this message but I saw this flood of messages (and I've seen it on other user talk pages) and just thought I'd comment. But thanks to you for the encouragement you deliver, I just think you could dial it back a little. I hope you are having a great weekend. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Liz: Thanks for the post. I usually like to leave a quick nice note after a NPP review. That was sort of an freak occurrence, (being many reviews of articles by the same person at the same time ). With trying to help on the huge NPP backlog, I usually don't take any extra time to look into the editor or even notice the editor's name. But for the reasons I noted, it's no biggee and easy to do to avoid those unusual occurrences. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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Done. North8000 (talk) 18:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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Wondering if you minded creating a shortcut to this for easier reference. I didn't want to do it myself since you spent all the work creating it (which I thank you for by the way). CNMall41 (talk) 19:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@CNMall41: Thanks. Where would you like me to create the shortcut? Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 20:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I can also help make such a shortcut if you let me know what you want it to be called and where you want it to go to and from? Iljhgtn (talk) 15:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I think maybe a shortcut from WP:COIER or WP:COIREQUEST to that page would suffice. I found it useful yesterday and plan to use it a bit more so though a shortcut would make it easier. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Both done. Iljhgtn (talk) 19:24, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Perfect. Thank you. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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