Talk:B. K. S. Iyengar

Please update the picture with a better one

The picture showing Iyengar on his 86th birthday looks like an accidental shot, please replace it with a better one.

Anyone can remove these(my) two lines of talk page once the picture is updated. 203.91.215.166 (talk) 12:51, 6 July 2017 (UTC)Midhun Alamuri

Entirely intententional, I can assure you. I thought it showed character, animation and he's (almost) smiling. If there's a consensus otherwise and a better shot exists, fair enough but, though I'm obviously biased, I was quite proud of it. Mutt Lunker (talk) 14:10, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Untitled

I don't think the duscussion should should be wiped clean Cafe Nervosa | talk 09:48, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

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Does anyone know what the "B.K.S." in "B.K.S. Iyengar" stands for? It seems like an appropriate addition to this entry. Mundek 00:14, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

From his website: Bellur Krishnamachar Sundararaja (BKS) Iyengar Cafe Nervosa 18:50, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

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Somebody, please confirm if BKS is the younger brother-in-law of the grandfather of modern yoga Shri Krishnamacharya Yes, he is the brother-in-law of Sri T. Krishnamacharya -- refer to the following links: http://www.bksiyengar.com/modules/Guruji/guru.htm http://www.kofibusia.com/iyengar/iyengar05.html http://iyengar-yoga.com/bks/biography/

About Yoga

I think what BKS Iyengar teaches is Hatha Yoga, but in the article all I find is just word Yoga. Westerners confuse Hatha Yoga with Yoga. Yoga is general term for any method used for Union of soul with Brahman, While Hatha Yoga is just one such method, there are other Yoga's such as Bhakti Yoga, Karma Yoga etc.. can anyone correct article in these terms? Lokesh 2000 07:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Why the move?

Why the, entirely undiscussed, move away from B. K. S. Iyengar to, the rarely if ever used, Bellur Krishnamachar Sundararaja Iyengar? He is referred to by his initials and even most of his pupils wouldn't be sure what they stood for.

I've asked the editor in question to move it back. Mutt Lunker (talk) 07:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Relevance of Tamil transliteration of name

Despite a hidden comment indicating the notability of the Tamil transliteration of Iyengar's name, this is periodically removed from the article. Since he is from Karnataka and resident in Maharashtra, I had in the past removed this myself as the relevance of Tamil was unclear to me. Having read this section on Iyengar language and dialect the pertinence is apparent. Mutt Lunker (talk) 14:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't like the fact that you block someone from editing. Do you know the BKS Iyengar is a Kannadiga? Why is the need for Tamil text on his homepage?

I know that you come up with the Iyengar dialect page as an argument for this, but let me tell you, the Hebbar Iyengars in Karnataka are Kannadigas. We do not read or write Tamil. Our language is heavily influenced by Kannada and its totally illogical if a Hebbar Iyengar's name is written in Tamil

Hehest (talk) 13:29, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

You were blocked for edit warring and now that you are discussing the issue, hopefuly you have learned from that.

From your comments above your point of contention would seem to be more fundamentally with the dialect section in the Iyengar article. I would suggest opening a discussion on that talk page if you think it is incorrect or incomplete. You ought to have reliable citations to back up your arguments - your own declared insider knowledge is not sufficient. Mutt Lunker (talk) 16:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

You might want to see this:

http://hebbariyengar.net/hebbarlanguageresearch.aspx

Please look at the views there:

"We are Fundamentally Kannadigas and our culture, traditions are kannadiga except for following the Religious scriptures. Even that too we read in Kannada the Tamil Veda(Divya Prabandams) and knowingly or unknowingly commit some mistakes, surely."

"We are having to tiresomely explain that we are not 'madrasi'. Our kannada is not fluent but pure tamil is alien! "

We definitely belong to a different group as an identity altogether, based on our peculiar language, culture, local cuisine and the typical Kannadiga nature of accepting even while defering !! Of course fundamentally we are SriVaishnava first !!

These are put up on the official Hebbar Iyengar site, under the language section.

Hehest (talk) 17:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

All of which doesn't detract from the site clearly supporting the relevance of both Kannada and Tamil. Mutt Lunker (talk) 18:55, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh the humanity!!! Brother, you are one Scottish guy who has no idea of what Indian castes and languages are about. I'm bringing you the link which clearly says the people do not want to be called Tamilians. Their language just has influences from classical Tamil, and over the centuries has become mostly Kannada, with very, very less Tamil in it. That's exactly what the link says too! There's one similar language called Sankethi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankethi_language), whose people migrated from somewhere near Kerala-Tamil Nadu border and settled in Karnataka. Today their language is known as a dialect of Kannada, and Hebbar Tamil is no different from it. The only difference is that there's this word "Tamil" in Hebbar Tamil, which in no way means that it's the same Tamil that's spoken in Tamil Nadu.

Hehest (talk) 19:47, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

My being Scottish is neither here nor there so please don't bring race or origin into the matter (not for the first time, per this edit summary). What you say, whether it is a correct representation of the views of the site or not, is neither here nor there in regard to the apparent relevance of the Tamil literation, as supported by that very site (e.g its objective "To develop a spelling/writing system for OUR language in Roman, Kannada and Tamil scripts"). Its inclusion does not imply primacy over any other literation or cultural influence, simply that it is of relevance, to whatever degree.

Per my suggestion to you above, I have noted this discussion on the Iyengar talk page. Mutt Lunker (talk) 20:59, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, I have not done research on this, but to my knowledge a wide range of Iyengars (Including Hebbar Iyengars) in Karnataka still speak a flavor of Tamil at home.So my vote would be for the inclusion. Hehest, I request you to be WP:CIVIL in conversions / edit histories. I know the word Konga used here is derogatory word to denote Tamils. Please Assume good faith and do not try to push WP:POV.If you reside in Bangalore, i would invite you to attend one of the meetups to understand more about Wikipedia and its culture. Thanks Srikanth (Logic) 16:01, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Retirement from teaching

Guruji Iyengar could not have retired from teaching in 1984, when he was only 66. He was still teaching in Mumbai (then Bombay) and Pune in the Fall of 1985 when I studied with him. I left India then but am sure he continued to teach for many more years.

DrLeonP (talk) 04:34, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Moderation

Some of the information given in the article are unencyclopedic. (like, ...as he gained experience, number of students increased). I propose to remove such information and try to rephrase the sentances so as to achieve more neutrality. Rayabhari (talk) 08:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Use of Props

Is it a known fact that Iyengar started using props after his motorcyle accident or did he introduce them prior to the accident? Stardustnrust (talk) 20:04, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Two family sections.

The first short section can easily be incorporated into the early life section.*Treker (talk) 02:20, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

This article made the Top 25 Report

This article was the third most popular on Wikipedia according to the Top 25 Report with 1,165,101 views for the week December 13 to 19, 2015. Iyengar’s 97th birthday was celebrated with a Google Doodle on December 14 link. Congratulations to the editors of this article for the exposure of their work.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  17:55, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

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Edit Request - Addition to International Recognition section

In 1983, the first Iyengar yoga centre outside of India was opened in Maida Vale, London. (1) A purpose built studio was built on the site and opened in a ceremony by B.K.S. Iyengar in November 1994.

I would like to add an image of the opening ceremony of Iyengar Yoga London Maida Vale attended by His Excellency the High Commissioner of India Dr L. M. Singhvi

https://iyengaryogalondon.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/IYIMV_Buiding_opening_colour3_SMALL-768x570-1.jpg

NB - I have been granted permission to use this image from the Iyengar Yoga London archive from the centre's manager.

Citation: (1) Suzanne Newcombe https://www.equinoxpub.com/home/yoga-britain/

Melissaloddo (talk) 16:58, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

This would appear to be more in regard to promotion of the centre rather than about international recognition of Iyengar himself, the subject of the article.

I have expressed concerns on your talk page about the WP:COI that your editing pattern indicates and I have further reason for believing this to be the case. I'd rather give you the opportunity to disclose this yourself, as requested.

In regard to the use of copyright material, I'm no expert on this but I know that rigour is required. Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission is the guide on the matter. Mutt Lunker (talk) 18:45, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Matt,

The establishment of the first Iyengar Institute outside of India would seem to fit the subject of 'International Recognition' as far as I understand it. But you have a way better understanding of Wikipedia than me so I bow to your your judgement.

Thanks Melissaloddo (talk) 18:53, 27 December 2022 (UTC)