Talk:BBC Three/Archive 1

Archive 1

Launch date

The article says:

Launched on February 9, 2003

Is this when BBC Choice was 'originally launched, or when it changed to BBC Three? --Phil 17:58, Feb 12, 2004 (UTC)

Belated answer: when it changed to BBC Three. Lee M 03:41, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The "Availability" sidebar lists "Terrestrial (PAL I standard)" which implies the channel is available on analogue terrestrial. This is untrue.

The article reads: "It has been noted though that the BBC Three blobs are basically another form of the blob-like characters that are the main feature of both CBeebies and CBBC." However, there is no link between the BBC Three ident characters and those used by the BBC's two children's idents. They were designed by different agencies, commissioned by different people and the likeliness is a mere coincidence (and proof that new ideas are thin in TV!) Pickup Stix

http://biffovision.blogspot.com/2007/06/nobody-died.html http://www.boardofppl.com/viewtopic.php?t=859&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

According to this TV insider ('Mr' Biffo), BBC3 is looking to change it's target audience. Should this be included in the article, or is it too much like conjecture for Wiki's high standard? 130.88.199.180 08:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Rebrand info

I have added info about the 2008 rebrand, including new shows commisioned and how the audience will be affected.

Any queries discuss on my page. --Mark Macmillan™ (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Should be discussed here, that's what this page is for. For reference:

2008 Rebrand

There are currently rumours circulating about a rebrand for the channel in 2008. This includes a redesign of the current logo and a rebrand of its programming output. It may mean that the current target audience of the station will be affected.

New shows commissioned include a variety show based on social networking, hosted by Lily Allen , a series of "hard-hitting" documentaries aimed at a young audience and a six-part drama series called Being Human .

The channel's new style has been compared to that of E4.

References

More information can be found here.

Starting this section off with "There are currently rumours..." is not good. It implies that they are, indeed, rumours, and per WP:CBALL appart from all else Wikipedia is not for rumours. Taking a glance at the above sources I can't find any that state as solid fact that a rebrand is on it's way, except the fact that the BBC site cited has a different CI, so I've removed the section for now, pending the citation of more solid sources, and a reword. _TheIslander 01:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, I just noticed that BBC3 was changing due to news on the Enter Three TV minisite and adverts across BBC networks. I have tried to provide sources as best I could, but I am aware that articles cannot be written on rumours. Possibly the new shows comissioned (2nd paragraph) could be incorporated elsewhere as I have used references from a reputable source (BBC press office)?

Cheers, --Mark Macmillan™ (talk) 15:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

BBC Three re-launch at 7pm

I have just looked at the website http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree and its currently under construction. So after 5 years and 3 days, BBC Three gets a new facelift :-D Onshore —Preceding comment was added at 13:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

and it's look bad... 222.124.19.20 (talk) 18:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Bias?

The article currently reads like a BBC press release, taking the BBC's side on issues such as viewership.

There's nothing here about the criticism BBC Three has received, e.g. the discussions about whether the channel should be axed because of its costs, narrow target audience, low viewing figures or for other reasons [1] [2] [3]. Veteran BBC reporter John Humphrys is a particularly vocal critic, arguing that core programming is suffering due to the costs incurred by niche channels such as BBC Three and Four, which only "six men and a dog" watch.

This article is supposed to provide an unbiased account of BBC Three, not make the case for the channel's continued existence via reference to Torchwood's "impressive" viewing figures and suchlike. 217.155.20.163 (talk) 14:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, I thought it was a bit odd that there were no counterpoints. I'll work the first two in (the third link is a news item about Tibet... oops). SynergyBlades (talk) 23:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Does this make sense?

Torchwood launched with an impressive 2.4 million viewers in October 2006, not only breaking BBC Three's previous record of 1.8 million,[6] but it is also believed to be the biggest ever multichannel audience for a UK-originated, non-sports programme, thought to be third to an episode of Friends, broadcast on Sky One in 2000, which attracted 2.8 million viewers and in 2006 with Sky One's Terry Pratchett's Hogfather which attracted 2.6 million viewers. The second episode attracted an equally impressive 2.3 million viewers, and boosted BBC Three to a 3.5% share of multichannel viewing that evening, compared to the network's three month Sunday average of 0.9%.

It makes it sound like it is the biggest ever multichannel audience for a UK-originated, non-sports programme, but then lists some that were bigger. Can anyone clear this up? Thanks, - tholly ^--Turnip-- 18:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Programming section requiring copy editing: has been done

Have had a stab at improving this section, using a list format for the majority of it, rather than lots of programmes being mentioned within a chunk of prose, thus making it rather easier to read. Have corrected concordance and other minor grammatical/syntactical errors and included/corrected/deleted incorrect internal links. Comments would be welcome Fortnum (talk) 20:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Top Ten Most watched programmes

Under viewership I have added the top ten most watched programmes on BBC3 from the figures available from the BARB (back to 2005) in order to match up with similar tables in the ITV2 and E4 articles.--Hammard (talk) 21:33, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I dunno if this helps but I read on a poster there that some program for BBC Three is being made at MetroCentre (shopping centre). Can someone clarify the name? I was more focused on getting to HMV and getting a free Large Popcorn (O2 Priority moments offer) stores than memorizing the name of a series being made there. MIVP - (Can I Help? ◕‿◕) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 22:16, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

According to BARB, Family Guy and American Dad are the top two programmes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.123.96.0 (talk) 20:24, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

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Logo dispute

From what I can tell, the logo was unveiled before the channel moved online ([4]). EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 20:11, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't mind what logo goes here, but I like the idea of this article having the 2008-2016 logo, since it was the channel's longest serving logo for around 8 years. -- AxG / ✉ / 10 years of editing 23:44, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Question about the logo

Someone replacing the BBC Three (former channel) logo with this:

instead this:

I know that due to corporate rebrand of the BBC, the new BBC Three logo was unveiled at BBC One block, where many assuming that the logo will be used once BBC Three returns to TV in 2022. Should English Wikipedia replacing that logo with the new ones? Because i found that in Wikipedia in other languages, despite it was a former channel, a new logo for BBC Three was attached instead of old and so indistinguishable than online service and maybe future channel. 36.77.94.37 (talk) 05:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

We currently have two BBC Three articles covering distinct phases in the channel's history. Phase 1, (this article) as a broadcast channel from 2003 - 2016 and phase 2 as an online content brand (2016 - 2022). It would be wrong to add the new logo to this article, because it has historic content that ends in 2016 and has no connection to the new logo. The same goes for the period as a content brand article (2016 - 2022) That is not connected to the BBC Three that we'll see in 2022.

We are talking about very distinct phases in the channel's history (three specific forks in Wiki terminology), there needs to be a BBC Three 2022 article, because shoehorning new BBC Three information into either of the others is the wrong course of action. - X201 (talk) 07:53, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Merge?

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No consensus to merge + point of confusion (the "online" disambiguation) clarified and renamed X201 (talk) 07:19, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

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I see no need for BBC Three (online) to be separate from BBC Three, especially with the upcoming linear re-launch of the channel. BBC Three (online) looks like a dreadful and unneccessary article - more than half the content is about the BBC proposal, the linear closure/online launch and the statistics of viewers since the linear closure, rather than actually about the BBC Three online channel and its content. Not to mention it is severely outdated. Probably one of the worst pages on wiki I've come across. No need for it to exist, it should merge to BBC Three. --Jf81 (talk) 15:25, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose: Fundamentally different service that shares the same name. It has a different history, and if you have any suggestions on how it can be improved, why not focus on actually making those improvements rather than effectively calling for deletion? ViperSnake151  Talk  16:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
  • @ViperSnake151: I have taken a look and there isn't anything to improve, it's a dead end, and any "improvements" would basically be stripping down the article. --Jf81 (talk) 12:58, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
• Merge: BBC Three is one service, regardless of which platforms it's on. Same as any other channel that is broadcast and on-demand. What other channels have separate articles for their online output vs their broadcast output? Walt111 (talk) 16:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose: As User:ViperSnake151 says, it is a fundamentally different service, broadcast exclusively online, and therefore has a different history with different output. As ViperSnake says, to merge the two would effectively end up with one of them being deleted. Rillington (talk) 14:20, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose: These are distinct, different phases in the history of different services that are called BBC3. The name may be the same, but the legal entity behind them is different. One is a broadcast TV channel that ran until 2016, the other is an on-demand service that ran from 2016. Perhaps the "online" disambiguation may be confusing people? but these articles cover different entities and need to be separate. - X201 (talk) 14:59, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
  • @X201: Yes the ambiguous "online" is what caused confusion, which is now renamed. --Jf81 (talk) 12:58, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose: I agree with ViperSnake. If you’re going to complain so much about the poor quality of an article, than actually improve it. End of story Dannycreatire (talk) 17:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
  • @Dannycreatire: I would never jump to this stage without looking to improve first. I have taken a look and there isn't anything to improve, it's a dead end, and any "improvements" would basically be stripping down the article. --Jf81 (talk) 12:58, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
• Merge: :but BBC Three is not really a separate 'British over-the-top Internet television service' operated like a 'teen UKTV Play' by the BBC, its more of an area/section on the iPlayer, so if there is a separate article called BBC Three (streaming service), maybe articles called BBC One (streaming service), BBC Two (streaming service), BBC Four (streaming service) etc. need to be created as well?... (I suppose there could also be an argument for the BBC Three (streaming service) article to be merged with that of the BBC iPlayer rather than this one).— Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ 81.152.236.198 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

BBC Three was a separate service. The point of the separate articles is that BBC Three has had three different phases to it's life that do not easily mesh together in the same article. - X201 (talk) 15:05, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

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