Talk:Baabda

Demographics

I deleted the section " Demographics" as it was refering to the situation in the whole District, rather than the city. Furthermore, the exact same subject and wording is present/treated in the other article "District of Baabda". A duplication that can confuse the reader; especially that the City of Baabda has a profile profoundly different from the District (Qada' Baabda) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.7.47 (talk) 05:48, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Deleting contribution

Hi user:CommonSenseEdit I am minded to delete your contribution : “General Aoun surrendered to the Syrians and run away in 1990 to the French Embassy, leaving his solders on front line fighting/blocking the Syrian invasion without informing them of this surrendering which led to a genocide for the Lebanese Army. Also general Aoun after he came back to Lebanon, became ally with the Syrians and became a president in 2016. His presidency and politic party which dived into corruption instead of fighting it led to the total bankruptcy of Lebanon in 2021.”

1. Aoun’s departure is a bit more complicated than “run away”. What he can be accused of is telling the Syrian army that he had ordered his soldiers to surrender whilst instructing them to keep fighting. This led to the slaughter of Syrian soldiers and the subsequent massacre of their Lebanese counterparts.

2. I don’t think the subsequent atrocities can be described as “genocide”.

3. I am fairly sure that Lebanon’s current predicament can’t be entirely placed on his shoulders. I have seen the current crisis authoritatively described as being amongst the top three worst global economic collapses in the last two hundred years. My heart bleeds. Padres Hana (talk) 22:05, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

I did put reference to Aoun terrorism, kindly stop deleting my line! is this how wikipedia work

You asked for references and i did add references... so stop protecting another corrupted politician in Lebanon who destroyed Lebanon. CommonSenseEdit (talk) 22:08, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@Padres Hana Kindly put it back as ta the truth i lived this war and when the syrian attacked i was still in lebanon and yes aoun surrendered to syrian and made a deal with them even before they attacked.

He became a Christian terrorist and to please the syrian he terrorise the US ambassador and prisoned him at his home and it needed to be evacuated by helicopter.

Aoun deal with syrians as surrendering was clear when all front lines was cleared from explosive mines and people went there to shake hands from both sides.

Lebanese forces knew about aoun surrendering and joined syrian in the attack on baabda with their bombs.

According to Elie Hobeika book Aoun run away to the french embassy leaving his daughters and wife alone in the castle and Syrian army didn't treat them well.

The new elected president of Lebanon in that time made the deal for aoun and the syrian.

Lahoud the general who run away from aoun region to join the syrians ordered the genocide of aoun special forces in broumana.

A genocide happened in araya, civilian was murdered shot by syrians in the head, hands tight behind there back and eye folded.

Other genocides happened in Kehali, Bsous and Yarzi and till today the missing ones from Aoun army still no one know if they were genocided by syrian or in syrian prisons... most probability were killed and buried in Lebanon. CommonSenseEdit (talk) 18:10, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@CommonSenseEdit: You will need to provide reliable sources for the claims you are making. Also, many of the statements you added are expressions of your opinions, not of facts, which is contrary to Wikipedia guidelines. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:41, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Content dispute

CommonSenseEdit has restored this content:

In 1989 As Lebanon’s alternative Prime Minister Michel Aoun As a Lebanese Christian army commander reportedly threatened in Baabda to take Americans hostage living in Baabda back in 1989 and settle Lebanon's problems with "Christian terrorism."

References

I had previously removed this content for several reasons:

1. Aoun was not an "alternative prime minister", he was an interim prime minister.
2. The cited source states that Aoun threatened "Christian terrorism", but it does not state that the threat had anything to do with Baadba. Baadba is not mentioned in the article. We can presume that, since Aoun used Baadba Palace as his base of operations during his interim prime ministership, that the threat came from Baadba, but it is nowhere stated that the threat in any way involved either Americans or anyone else actually living, working, or serving in Baadba.
3. CommonSenseEdit has shown a lack of neutrality by changing the name of the New York Times article from "Americans at Lebanon Embassy Pull Out Amid Christian Threats" to "Aoun terrorism accident during his rule in Baabda".

Since the material had been removed, CSE should have come here to discuss the matter (per WP:BRD) but since they did not, I have opened the discussion instead. I don't believe this material belongs in this article, as I don't believe it is truly relevant to Baabda. (A neutral version of the fact can be added (and probably already has been added) to the Michel Aoun article.) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 23:32, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

CommonSenseEdit (talk · contribs) has added this material again, without bothering to discuss the matter. I strongly urge them to engage in discussion rather than edit warring. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 00:15, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey Dan, how u doing, here more links for you to see that i m right.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-09-06-mn-1803-story.html

Aoun was a sick with the love of greatness and he was not legit man, he refused all & threaten all lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcVwY4CoRtA

and this is when aoun run away leaving his family behind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gsQ3E45Y_0

this is when he came back in 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9H3x6A09Ls

and in 2022 he screwed the country lol

back in 2013 aoun made a book the impossible clearing of fraud... https://www.aljoumhouria.com/ar/news/57443/%D9%84%D9%87%D8%B0%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AD%D9%8A%D9%84

translate this page to english u get an idea more... and kindly all this info put them as u want and yes all happened in baabda as baabda is a highe district here an idea how much baabda is big https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%82%D8%B6%D8%A7%D8%A1_%D8%A8%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%A7

in 2022 aoun still lying https://www.nna-leb.gov.lb/en/%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%A9/525544/president-aoun-to-us-treasury-delegation-lebanon-c

Election in Lebanon is next month and my goal was spreading some truth from wiki as its the right thing to do... but unfortunately wiki want to protect the corrupted ones even when someone add something with reference and with wikipedia guideline

Honestly wiki can do better... in other words wiki and you dan without knowing you are defending corrupted leaders which make some question if you getting paid from them and i hope u not. CommonSenseEdit (talk) 09:23, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

@CommonSenseEdit: All of that is true and documented. But none of it has anything to do with the town of Baabda, except that Aoun happened to live there for a time. My point is not to try to erase the history about Aoun, but to include that history in its proper place: in the article about Aoun. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:08, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

@CommonSenseEdit: If you're not going to engage in this discussion, then you should not complain when your point of view is not upheld. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:51, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Edit has been reverted again following a lack of engagement from CommonSenseEdit. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:46, 3 May 2022 (UTC)