Talk:Battle of Balapur

Presence of Bajirao

bajirao was not present in battle of balapur Source https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.4317 Page 8 Through his own letter bajirao tells that he was at aurangabad— Preceding unsigned comment added by Koitiot (talk • contribs)

Here, you just proved the presence of Bajirao. See this on 15th July he came up with the Nizam's troops near Pohur; on the day of the final action (a 31st July) he was posted at Nimbgaon in Pargana Balapur. Despite Maratha aid Alam Khan went down before his opponent. He went for aid for Alam ali and was present at Balapur.Imperial^[AFCND] 15:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

The same source mentions in page no.9

Bajirao didn’t engage in any battle there but had returned already.

“It was at this time that Bajirao was appointed Peshwa in succession to his father. Immediately on his appointment to the Peshwaship he hurried with his contingent to join Alam Ali Khan, the Sayyids' deputy, then marching against the rebel Nizam-ul-mulk.

On 9th June Bajirao effected junction with Alam Ali's troops at Sawarde in pargana Undangaon; on 15th July he came up with the Nizam's troops near Pohur; on the day of the final action ( 31st July) he was posted at Nimbgaon in Pargana Balapur.

Despite Maratha aid Alam Khan went down before his opponent. Bajirao retired with his army intact through Khandesh and in October reduced Bara-mati. He remained in the neighbourhood for over a month and then returned to Satara. Taking counsel with the Maharaja, he invaded the Khandesh district to collect the dues of chauth; on 4th January 1721 took place the first meeting between the Peshwa and the Nizam near Chikhalthan." On 28th January.

The Peshwa had moved to Aurangabad and from Aurangabad he entered Khandesh. On 17th February he arrived at the westernmost point of Khandesh and in April was back again in Balaghat.”

Presence doesn’t mean battle you seem to mistake the two. HistoricPilled (talk) 15:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

"he came up with the Nizam's troops near Pohur" "Bajirao effected junction with Alam Ali's troops" doesn't that make him participate the battle? Imperial^[AFCND] 15:46, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

There was not a battle here to begin with

“ Despite Maratha aid Alam Khan went down before his opponent. Bajirao retired with his army intact through Khandesh” - Bajirao had returned

“went down before his enemy” read carefully before quoting half context. HistoricPilled (talk) 15:53, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

“Despite Maratha aid Alam Khan went down before his opponent. Bajirao retired with his army intact through Khandesh”. Went down refers to the defeat of Alam Ali Khan. Imperial^[AFCND] 15:58, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

It says "Bajirao retired with his army intact through Khandesh" he wasn't involved in the battle personally, it was between Alam Khan with Maratha Aid and Nizam. Sending an Aid or reinforcement doesn't mean Bajirao was personally involved in that very battle where he was only stationed in the region. You're adding him in events where he wasn't even involved on the very date but had already returned. HistoricPilled (talk) 16:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

"15th July he came up with the Nizam's troops near Pohur". Please go through this. You know this refers to the military engagement with Nizam right? Else, we should let the experts to go through this. Imperial^[AFCND] 16:18, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes we can let the experts see definitely but I will post the full context before that:

” On 9th June Bajirao effected junction with Alam Ali's troops at Sawarde in pargana Undangaon; on 15th July he came up with the Nizam's troops near Pohur; on the day of the final action ( 31st July) he was posted at Nimbgaon in Pargana Balapur.

Despite Maratha aid Alam Khan went down before his opponent. Bajirao retired with his army intact through Khandesh and in October reduced Bara-mati. He remained in the neighbourhood for over a month and then returned to Satara.”

It says he was only stationed at Balapur, doesn’t mention that he engaged with him personally otherwise he wouldn’t return through Khandesh with his “army”. Also it mentions “Maratha aid” instead of Bajirao. Aid and Reinforcements does not mean that Peshwa Bajirao himself was present at the battle. HistoricPilled (talk) 16:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

"He came up with Nizam's troops". Couldn't you really find anything here? Imperial^[AFCND] 16:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Battle of balapur Bajirao was not present — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koitot (talk • contribs) 11:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Already discussed. Our personal wishes doesn't matter. Facts should be backed by sources. Imperial^[AFCND] 17:38, 19 December 2023 (UTC)