Talk:Battle of Mandalgarh and Banas

Edit warring due to the sources.

@Gog the Mild, here we have sources for the victory of Both "Malwa" and "Mewar". According to Persian chronicles, it was a Malwa victory, and according to the Rajput chronicles it was a Mewar victory. The edit warring is very persistent due to this, and I made the result as inconclusive as Upendra Nath Day's sources cites so. But there are still sources that cites the victory of both, so what should we do here to avoid edit warring? Imperial^[AFCND] 06:05, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

It was clearly Mewari Victory

R.C Majumdar in A History and Culture of Indian People Vol 6 Rawn3012 (talk) 06:45, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Then please bliddy give evidence! None of your edits have added any citations that supports your claim. ''Flux55'' (talk) 06:47, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

R.C Majumdar in A History and culture of Indian People Volume 6

"The course of this campaign is described in great detail by the Muslim histo¬ rians, but it is apparent from their accounts that Mahmud failed to conquer any part of the Maharana’s territory except Ajmer. As noted elsewhere, (p. 162) a verse from the Chitor KIrtistambha in¬ scription claims that Maharana Kumbha defeated the kings of Gujarat and Malwa. On this Sir Wolseley Haig remarks: “The more famous column of victory at Chitor is said to commemorate victories over Mahmud of Gujarat and Mahmud of Malwa. If this is so it, ‘like some tall bully lifts its head and lies’.”12 It is therefore necessary to quote Nizam-ud-dm’s version of the battle that took place as Mahmud, after conquering Ajmer, turned towards Mandalgarh: “Konbha also sent out his army from the fort dividing it into three detachments. The division, which confronted Taj Khan, and that which was opposed to ‘All Khan, fought with arrows and lances and there was a great battle; and a large number of Mahmud Shah’s troops were slain, while an innumerable host of Rajputs became food for the sword . (At sunset) the two parties took up their quarters in their respective stations. In the morning the amirs and vazirs collected in the royal pavilion, and submitted that as during that year the troops had been fighting repeated campaigns and the rainy season was near, it would be fitting and proper, if he would rest and repose for a few days in the capital city of Shadlabad, in order to repair the damage and injury to the army; and make after the rains, with a fully equipped army, a king-like attempt to cap¬ ture the fort. Sultan Mahmud returned and rested for some days.”.1?"

Satish Chandra in Medival India from 1206 to 1526

"The Conflict with Sultans of Gujarat and Malwa occupied Kumbha throughout his life. During most of the time he had to contend with Rathors of Marwar too.Although sorely poccesd he was able to maintain his kingdom back. Kumbhalgarh was besiged sevral times by Sultan of Gujarat and Sultan of Malwa was able to raid as far as inland in Ajmer and other boder areas but Rana was able to repulse those attacks and retain most of his conquests exept Ranthambore' outlying areas"

Rawn3012 (talk) 06:55, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

I have edited the article with citing all the sources of mainstream historians and if you want to change please cite a souce of historians as big as RC Majumdar or Satish Chandra Rawn3012 (talk) 07:45, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Source as "Big"? Wdym by that? If there is an opposite claim for the victor of a military conflict, it must be mentioned in the article. And none of the sources you quoted above makes a statement that shows any of the party won the conflict. Waiting for the response of Gog. Imperial^[AFCND] 08:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

@Rawn3012, Majumdar states the battle at Mandalgarh was indecisive; see page number 178. No matching of Banas found in the book of Majumdar. No matching of Mandalgarh and Banas from Satish Chandra. Seems like WP:SYNTH. Imperial^[AFCND] 08:21, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

For Battle of Banas I have quoted Har Bilas Sardas Kumbha Soverign Soldier Commander Rawn3012 (talk) 08:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

@ImperialAficionado Satish Chandra as quoted above by me clearly Mentions, Mahmud was worstend intgese fights and had to retire Rawn3012 (talk) 08:33, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

"Satish Chandra in Medival India from 1206 to 1526

"The Conflict with Sultans of Gujarat and Malwa occupied Kumbha throughout his life. During most of the time he had to contend with Rathors of Marwar too.Although sorely poccesd he was able to maintain his kingdom back. Kumbhalgarh was besiged sevral times by Sultan of Gujarat and Sultan of Malwa was able to raid as far as inland in Ajmer and other boder areas but Rana was able to repulse those attacks and retain most of his conquests exept Ranthambore' outlying areas" Rawn3012 (talk) 08:26, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Read WP:SYNTH. It might helps. Sources should explicitly state about the conflict. Imperial^[AFCND] 08:41, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

We should probably just mark it as a disputed victory and add some of Rawn's info in the article ''Flux55'' (talk) 13:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

What Rawn tried to replace (Rajput account)and what an other editor tried to place (Persian account), both are already present in the article. And the conclusion of Upendra Nath Day is displayed in the infobox. Imperial^[AFCND] 16:51, 2 February 2024 (UTC)