Talk:Battle of Sorovich

Bulgarians or Greeks

The article that leads here, from "The Balkan War" states that Bulgaria took part in this battle, yet this stub talks about the Greeks. Which is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taear (talk • contribs) 01:58, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Given the towns location; it must have been the Greeks. Valentinian ^(talk) 22:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

No Vevi in 1912

There was no Vevi in 1912 but Banitsa. The village was renamed in 1926. [1] The article should be moved to Battle of Banitsa.--Мико (talk) 18:51, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

And it is good to see some sources proving that Battle of Vevi is "the name most commonly associated with the battle". If there are none - it is just a retronym.--Мико (talk) 17:51, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

and no Bitola but Battle of Monastir (1912) as you see!.. 194.219.215.57 (talk) 16:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

To Мико: What you are confusing is the Battle of Sorovich of 1912 against the Turks during the First Balkan War, with the Battle of Vevi of 1941 against the Germans during the Second World War. There is indeed a consensus in WP in using the names that where in use during the dates of the battles that every editor respected. According to this the greek editors accepted f.i. the name of Sorovich for the given battle instead of Vevi, while bulgarian and turk editors accepted the name of Adrianople for the given battle instead of Odrin or Edirne etc. I myself was not aware about it and when I tried to change the name of the battle even in the Greek language in the article, a greek editor -Cplakidas- revert me. I understanded the logic behind that and I left it.

So by imposing the term "battle of Bitola" is a clear break-up from this consensus and especialy from logic, leading WP to a nationalistic battleground landscape and the articles and discussions to the Babel. Since you agree to use the official names during the date of the battles, please say your oppinion also in the battle of Monaster/Bitola discussion page. Regards, --Factuarius (talk) 20:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

• "Battle of Sorovich" -Llc 0
• "Battle of Banitsa" -Llc 0
• "Μάχη του Σόροβιτς" -Llc 0
• "Бой при Екши Су" -Llc 0
• "Battle of Vevi" -Llc 2, but both of them are the battle of Vevi (1941)

Takabeg (talk) 05:08, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Battle of Sorovich/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Djmaschek (talk · contribs) 23:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Initial review

I plan to review this article. The Balkan Wars are an interesting, but often neglected, part of European history. Can you add any maps that would be helpful for showing locations described in the article? Djmaschek (talk) 23:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Added a location map.--Catlemur (talk) 16:03, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

@Catlemur: Sorry for the delay. I'll get back on it soon. Djmaschek (talk) 05:36, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Review 1

Here are my GA review comments. Please fix or argue your case for not fixing. Djmaschek (talk) 04:13, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

• The article needs a map that allows the reader to understand the movements of the Greek army. Please strongly consider adding the following map to the Battle section: "Macedonia greece.png". The map includes several cities that are important to this article, including Salonika, Gianitsa (Yenidje), Florina, Edessa, Kozani, and Bitola (Monastir).

 Done

• This map may also help the reader understand the dimensions of pre-Balkan War Greece: "Map_of_Greece_1903.png".

@Djmaschek: I think this map is better suited for the article on the war rather than a specific battle. Other than that I have made corrections to the article as per your comments.--Catlemur (talk) 01:31, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Accepted Djmaschek (talk) 03:10, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Review 2

Here are more GA review comments. Djmaschek (talk) 04:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

• Introduction, paragraph 1: It was a battle fought > It was fought. ("Battle" is mentioned in the previous sentence.)

 Done

• Introduction, paragraph 1: around the Sorovich area. (The Amyntaio link needs to be here. Please do this: Sorovich (Amyntaio).)

 Done

• Introduction, paragraph 1: Where it found > It found. (Not a sentence. Remove "Where" and it becomes a sentence.)

 Done

• Introduction, paragraph 2, sentence 1: it broke ranks > the division was routed. Remove semi-colon (;).

 Done

• Introduction, paragraph 2: Monastir > Monastir (Bitola).

 Done

• Background, paragraph 2: Belgrade and Athens need links.

 Done

• Background, paragraph 2: with the latter declaring > with the League declaring. (It's better to be specific.)

 Done

• Background, paragraph 2: while Montenegro had already began military operations on 25 September. (Make this a separate sentence. Also, change "began" to "begun".)

 Done

Review 3

@Catlemur: More GA comments. Will continue later. Djmaschek (talk) 05:28, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

• Prelude, paragraph 1, sentence 2: 1st and 2nd Greek Division links need to be here.

 Done

• Prelude, paragraph 1: began its assault on Sarandaporo > opened the Battle of Sarantaporo. (Also, I would use Sarantaporo - with t - in previous sentence and later to avoid confusion.)

 Done

• Prelude, paragraph 1: Despite being perceived > Despite the position being perceived.

 Done

• Prelude, paragraph 2: Yenidje > Yenidje (Giannitsa).

 Done

• Prelude, paragraph 2: aiming at reaching > aiming to reach. Kailaria > Kailaria (Ptolemaida). Change semi-colon (;) to a comma in this sentence.

 Done

• Prelude, paragraph 2: Either uniting > There, the division would either unite. (Not a sentence.)

 Done

• Prelude, paragraph 2: Banitsa > Banitsa (Vevi).

 Done

• Prelude, paragraph 3: halting temporary > halting temporarily.

 Done

• Prelude, paragraph 3: Add link: Armenochori, Greece.

 Done

• Prelude, paragraph 3: Greek capture of capture of Yenidje > Greek victory at Yenidje.

 Done

Review 4

@Catlemur: Here are the last comments. Djmaschek (talk) 04:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

• Battle, paragraph 1: Lofoi needs a link.

 Done

• Battle, paragraph 2: Sotiras, Florina needs a link. I cannot find a link to Lake Petersko. The map says Limni Petron, so maybe Lake Petron would be better to use. There is no link that I can find.

 Done

• Battle, paragraph 3: Xino Nero needs a link. Is Petersko the same as Petres, Florina?

 Done

• Battle, paragraph 4: This caused the latter > This caused the Ottomans. I think Stena Kleidiou is Kleidi, Florina.

Fixed. Stena Kleidiou is apparently a pass next to Kleidi also known as Kirli Derven in Turkish. Now the article is far clearer.--Catlemur (talk) 03:11, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

• Battle, paragraph 4: While the Ottomans > The Ottomans.

 Done

• Battle, paragraph 4, last sentence: pressure to be exalted > pressure to be exerted.

 Done

• Battle, paragraph 5: had been routed fleeing towards (add comma after routed.)

 Done

• Battle, paragraph 5: Drosopigi, Florina and Kleisoura, Kastoria need links.

 Done

• Aftermath, paragraph 1: Greek victory at the Yenidje (Remove "the" if Yenidje is a city. Use "the" if Yenidje is a river.)

There is both a Yenidje and a Yenidje lake. The battle took place chiefly around the lake.--Catlemur (talk) 22:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

• Aftermath, paragraph 1: Those forces convened > Those forces assembled.

 Done

• Battle section: It would be nice if there was an appropriate picture to add (i.e. contemporary photo of Greek or Ottoman soldiers.)

@Djmaschek: Added a photo of Greek soldiers from the battle of Yenidje.--Catlemur (talk) 03:11, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Catlemur: GA class. Thanks for the edits. Not seeing a Xino Nero link. Please add. Djmaschek (talk) 05:43, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I added one but realized that it wasn't on first mention.--Catlemur (talk) 16:34, 1 March 2023 (UTC)