Talk:Beaky Buzzard

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Amcaja's cartoon entries are models of wit and clarity, with unusual preceptions and depth. Thank you. User:Wetman

Thanks for the compliment! I hope to make them even better once my Peace Corps service is up -- I don't have access to my library here in Cameroon. But I guess the entries are still coming out okay. Amcaja 09:54, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Beaky = Hitchcock?

I removed this addition from an anonymous contributor:

There were several rumours that Beaky`s unusual appearance was influenced by the popular horror film producer Alfred Hitchcock as, when viewed in profile, the bald head and backward crane of the neck were astonishingly similar to Hitchcock`s features. The studio executives rapidly debunked these rumours, with the press release including the now famous quote "He`s a buzzard, they all look like that."

I couldn't find anything to corroborate it with a Google search. Does anyone know of this rumor? Is there any truth to the paragraph? —Amcaja 02:29, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Killer Buzzard

The fact that Beaky is called Killer in his first cartoon does not mean that these are different characters. Warners cartoon characters frequently changed names in their early days as directors got a hold on them and defined their looks and personalities. Let's not split hares, er hairs here. -- Amcaja 06:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Further support or the fact that Killer Buzzard and Beaky Buzzard are the same character: IMDB, Beaky Buzzard fan page, and another, Dan Markstein's Toonopedia, TV.com, The Total Toon Tome, The Big Cartoon Database . . . You get the idea. In fact, a Google search for "killer buzzard" -wikipedia -wiki gets eight unique hits, none of which has anything to do with Looney Tunes; a Google search for "killer buzzard" bunny -wikipedia -wiki nets zero hits. A print source also asserts that they are the same character: Why I Wake Early: New Poems by Mary Oliver, These are the same character. — Amcaja 08:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I stated that Killler Buzzard is the prototype of Beaky Buzzard and Killer would later evolve into Beaky Buzzard not he is diffrent then Beaky Buzzard. Now do you understand.

Mrsanitazier 16:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

No, I am saying that he is not the prototype of Beaky Buzzard, he is Beaky Buzzard, but that the animators hadn't come up with his official name yet. I have also provided ample evidence to back up my claims. Sorry if there was any confusion. :) — Amcaja 22:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

re merge to List of Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies characters

Someone proposed this in via template in 2010, but it was never implemented or sufficiently discussed. Instead it was just deleted and made into a redirect to that article.

On the procedural front, it looks like User:Neelix placed a {{merge}} tag at the beginning of November 2010. The discussion was over at Talk:List of Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies characters#Merge with individual character articles. IMO that was pretty inconclusive, but anyway User:Lord Opeth redacted this article to be just a redirect. User:JaGa objected to this on the grounds that was a (de facto) deletion rather than a merge, but this didn't stick. (Don't know why, since at Talk:List of Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies characters#Merge with individual character articles I don't see where JaGa was convinced to stand down from his WP:BRD right/responsibility...There may have been a side conversation between Lord Opeth and JaGa regarding this -- at least I hope there was -- but I'm not inclined to go find it, and this is a reason that I wish that talk about articles mostly take place on the article talk page...). AFAIK there was no AfD discussion.

On the merits, no, it doesn't really make sense to merge this into List of Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies characters. There are a lot if these characters, and if articles the size of Beaky Buzzard were merged into that article it would be awfully long. (As it stands now, the article is just a bare list of (over 50) names, and if the article would stand out like a sore thumb if it was shoehorned into this bare list, even if was cut back quite a bit, which I'm not sure it should be. And if Willoughby the Dog, The Three Bears (Looney Tunes), Sylvester Junior, Spike the Bulldog and Chester the Terrier, Slowpoke Rodriguez, Ralph Phillips, Quick Brown Fox and Rapid Rabbit, Playboy Penguin, Piggy (Merrie Melodies), Pete Puma, Nasty Canasta, Merlin the Magic Mouse, Hector the Bulldog, Hatta Mari, Goopy Geer, Gabby Goat, Egghead, Jr. (Looney Tunes), The Crusher (Looney Tunes), Count Blood Count, Cool Cat, Conrad the Cat, Colonel Shuffle, Clyde Rabbit, Claude Cat, Charlie Dog, Cecil Turtle, Bunny and Claude, Blacque Jacque Shellacque, Beans (Looney Tunes), Beaky Buzzard, Babbit and Catstello, Melissa Duck, and Honey Bunny were all merged into that that list, as was suggested at Talk:List of Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies characters#Merge with individual character articles that would make for a very long article, as I said).

Beyond that, I don't see where Beaky Buzzard shouldn't have an article, or at least a fair amount of material in a larger article (if that's what people want). He's famous, which is not necessarily the same as being notable but it's a start. I mean, I've heard of him, and I live way out in the country. He's not important, but we have a lot articles on unimportant entities. It's something that reasonable people can discuss at AfD or something.

So since I think its fair to say that a proper merge would be impossible, I'm open to other solutions, until them I'm restoring the status quo ante. If you want to entirely delete the contents of an article, take it to WP:AFD please. Herostratus (talk) 22:56, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

At any rate, a better place to address this might (or might not, depending on how Beaky-Buzzard-specific you want to get) be the centralized discussion at Talk:List of Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies characters#Merge with individual character articles. Herostratus (talk) 04:46, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

The only thing I remember of these edits (which took place more than 5 years ago) is that the mergers were performed according to Wikipedia:Notability. I do not find enough real world content, coverage by reliable secondary sources and impact in popular culture in any section of the article (and most likely in any other of the merged articles). But if real world stuff is added to improve the article, then that's great. --LoЯd ۞pεth 05:42, 11 November 2015 (UTC)