Talk:Ben Brereton Díaz

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2021

He has now been called up to the national team (see Ben Brereton#International career) so please change every mention of "English footballer" to "English-born Chilean footballer 76.103.46.252 (talk) 01:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Ratnahastin (talk) 03:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, that is not standard practice. When a player's footballing nationality is ambiguous, as is the case here, it should read: "is a professional footballer who plays...Born in [X], he represents [Y]." Avoid hyphenation, which only serves to confuse. Anwegmann (talk) 00:04, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 12 August 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 17:50, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

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Ben Brereton → Ben Brereton Diaz – He uses both surnames on his shirt as the article says. I'd also listened to the commentary on Quest, with the commentators mentioning "Brereton Diaz" Paul Brown43 (talk) 10:38, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Comment I've got no strong opinion on the move, but if it does happen it should be to Ben Brereton Díaz, with the correct accent. Bazonka (talk) 06:54, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 13:47, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose still referred to just as 'Brereton' by e.g. BBC (in the actual prose; the line-ups come from PA I believe) and Blackburn's local paper, as well as the club itself. What he wears on his shirt does not matter, e.g. Sergio Agüero is known as 'Kun Agüero' on his shirt which is a childhood nickname... GiantSnowman 13:52, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose at time of edit, it is a hard one to call given that social media profiles and the above links don't have "Díaz" at this moment. I'm also inclined to stick with the current page name until the reporters refer to him as Brereton Díaz more often, if that is the case. See also Jonathan Mensah where the name on the shirt is what he's commonly known as but the article title is his proper but not full(?) name. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 15:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose I just wanted to chime in here. I am part of the EA Sports FIFA database community and after discussions at length we have opted to go with Brereton Díaz in all menu's from FIFA 22 onwards. Club site, EFL panel shows such as 'EFL on Quest' are using Díaz and so is the clubs digital programme. User:jharvey2307 09:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Jharvey2307: Are you sure you meant to oppose this proposal? Your comment sounds more like an agreement. Bazonka (talk) 09:50, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

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Spanish naming convention hatnote

Following WP:BRD and Mattythewhite's two reverts, I'm bringing this up for discussion. At the moment, the "also known as Ben Brereton Diaz" is right in the first sentence of the article, but there is nothing providing context as to why. The hatnote would provide that context immediately. Mattythewhite suggested that this should be used only for official names, which does not seem to be an actual WP policy but merely their individual opinion. Seany91 (talk) 18:29, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 25 December 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved. The supporters have the edge here numerically, and their argument that the uncontested common name should be preferred over the "official" name is stronger as a matter of policy. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:30, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

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Ben Brereton → Ben Brereton Díaz – Since August 2021 when the last discussion took place, many sources now suggest the Spanish naming convention has become the common name. Sources supporting this change include the player's social media [1], the player's own club [2], media such as BBC and The Guardian, and stat databases [3]. Based on these new and recent sources, I believe another discussion should take place and I would advocate for the move. Seany91 (talk) 15:36, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 12:05, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
• Support per new sources which show this is now the COMMONNAME (although Transfermarkt is not a reliable source and should not be used!) GiantSnowman 12:09, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
• Support - Although I don't think it's his birth name (nor has he had it changed by deed poll), sources show this is the name he is more commonly known by these days. – PeeJay 17:45, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
• Support - I think it is more clearer that both surnames are used in the English media unlike a few months ago when I gave my initial view on the move. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:47, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
• Support. The sources cited seem to support this move. Rreagan007 (talk) 21:43, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
• Support – All sources are now starting to use "Breteton Díaz" as his commonly known name. --Skyblueshaun (talk) 12:00, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
• Unsure – I agree that he is more commonly referred to in the media as Brereton Diaz now but I am hesitant in supporting this change as birth names are still used as the article names for notable people who change their names like Kanye West and Sinéad O'Connor, where deadnaming/gender identity is not a factor. There was a ton of discussion about changing Kanye West to just Ye in the last few months but that move was not supported. Similarly, there were many requests to change Cat Stevens as well but it was decided not to do that. I think Brereton's case is similar to these three. Rupert1904 (talk) 23:53, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – Largely for the reasons immediately stated above, and given that, as far as any source I have seen is concerned, he has not legally changed his name to "Díaz," I think a note in the lede (as appears right now) is appropriate, but I think changing the article to something technically unofficial is a bit misleading, even if almost everyone has taken to calling him by that unofficial name. Anwegmann (talk) 00:02, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – not his officially registered name or legal name. In the sense that Javier Hernandez is known as Chicharito, his name is still Javier Hernandez. Josh (talk) 17:17, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: Arguments above regarding legal/official name are irrelevant per WP:COMMONNAME. One can of course disagree over whether Ben Brereton or Ben Brereton Díaz are more commonly used now based on reliable sources, though I personally think it's pretty clear most are using the latter now (see, e.g., [4] and [5] from just now). Seany91 (talk) 11:38, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

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Discussion at WT:FOOTY

There is a discussion at WT:FOOTY concerning this article and how to express the subject's name. Spike 'em (talk) 10:53, 14 January 2022 (UTC)