Talk:Bettiah Christians
Latest comment: 9 months ago by Anupam in topic Mentions of backward caste
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edit- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:22, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
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- ... that the lehenga is the traditional dress of women belonging to the Bettiah Christian ethnoreligious community in India? Source: "However, their Christian women of Bettiah had their own special clothing till the 1950s: the peculiar lahanga, generally worn by women in northwestern India. The lahanga distinguished them from the women of the surrounding communities, though Marwari women of the neighbourhood also wore it."
Created by Anupam (talk). Self-nominated at 03:28, 15 November 2020 (UTC).
This interesting article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:06, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Mentions of backward caste
edit@Anupam Hi, can I ask why you are removing references to backward castes from the article despite this being sourced?
As per Jose Kalapura's paper, he states: "The Bettiah Christians originally belong castes and middle castes or Backward castes, with one or from the Muslim community and the lower castes".
He also states:
...they were perceived as Christian lohars/b (blacksmiths/carpenters/cartmen) and, hence, were conside to the middle castes (presently known as "Backward Castes" public."
Why was this removed? Ixudi (talk) 19:47, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- The majority of references state "upper and middle". "Backward" is another word for "middle", hence the word "or" after the word "middle" in the reference you provided. We must reflect the terminology used in the consensus of sources; references 3, 4, 5, and 6 currently use the former terminology. Also, keep in mind WP:BRD and WP:STATUSQUO. If your edits haven't been accepted, gain consensus here rather than edit warring. Thanks, AnupamTalk 20:05, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Can you provide examples of the consensus of sources sticking purely to upper caste? Because, unfortunately, the status quo of the article prior to my edits was repeated mentions of "Indo-Aryan" and "upper caste" with little to reflect the middle and backward caste representation of sources.
- Thanksfully, you have corrected your previous "errors". Ixudi (talk) 20:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- I once again request that you please read references 3, 4, 5, and 6. I provided the quote parameters in the references for you. The sentence is much better based on the wording of these references collectively (including the primary wording of the Kalapura reference). To answer your question, the information you request is in the very source you mentioned; it states that "A majority of the Bettiah Christians originally belonged to the high castes, a considerable number belonged to the occupational or middle castes". When writing on Wikipedia, you must give WP:DUE weight to statements. The community is largely of upper-caste origin, with a substantive population of those from middle castes. It is concerning to keep inserting "backward" when the majority of sources do not support this assertion. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 20:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- By the way, I wish to thank you for providing the drawing of the Rev. Fr. Giuseppe Maria Bernini. That is very helpful! AnupamTalk 20:26, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- I once again request that you please read references 3, 4, 5, and 6. I provided the quote parameters in the references for you. The sentence is much better based on the wording of these references collectively (including the primary wording of the Kalapura reference). To answer your question, the information you request is in the very source you mentioned; it states that "A majority of the Bettiah Christians originally belonged to the high castes, a considerable number belonged to the occupational or middle castes". When writing on Wikipedia, you must give WP:DUE weight to statements. The community is largely of upper-caste origin, with a substantive population of those from middle castes. It is concerning to keep inserting "backward" when the majority of sources do not support this assertion. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 20:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)