Talk:Beyblade

Concur on merge - article reads like an ad.

I did not find anything noteworthy on this article. It does not seem to be an international sensation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ronbo76 (talk • contribs) 01:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

While I don't immediately find substantiation of the "100 million unit" or "most popular toy line" claims, I did find plenty of evidence that it's big business.

Hasbro's 2005 annual report says that BeyBlade accounted for 11% of their 2003 net revenue - only Star Wars (16% in 2005) has a larger percentage. My math says that's $345M. It's big business. The official site, in its gear section, lists (in addition to game accessories) DVDs, apparel, bedding(!), lunchboxes, and more. A Google search for "beyblade million" yields quite a number of hits, mostly various news stories and press releases.

Is the level of detail in this article appropriate? Maybe not, but it does appear that there's a potentially pretty large audience.

Jordan Brown 07:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Beyblades are significant part of the life of many small children, probably throughout the world. As such it is a notable phenomenon, even though obviously completely commercial. It would seem difficult to write about a commercial concept without sounding commercial. It would be good if this article could be changed in tone to sound less commercial, and yet retain the factual information concerning these toys. To those readers who seek notability: you don't have to like what you read. Inclusion in WP should be based on whether society has noticed the topic of the article. In this case, a large segment of the population, children, have indeed noticed this topic. To argue for deletion is to consider children and the commercial atmosphere of the television shows that they watch as unworthy of coverage. One may argue that such shows and toys do no good, or are even harmful, but currently that would be original research and therefore such arguments are disallowed by WP policy. As soon as there is research or expert and public speculation as to harm, it should be included, but not until then. More disturbingly, the prejudice against this article may indicated a disregard for the actual activities of children or for the value of children. <start rant>I would argue that what they are interested in matters perhaps as much as what adults are interested in. We adults should be much more concerned with what children are doing and the ways they are wasting their talents and their time in their few years of fast growth. It is not necessary to play with mindless toys to have fun. But these considerations have nothing to do with inclusion in WP.<end rant> David Spector (user/talk) 13:36, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Advertisement

Tagged for being written like an advert (gee, they have that?)

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04:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

For most of the article, I don't understand the "written like an advert" claim. It's describing a product, including history and some construction details. Look at other product descriptions, like Ford Mustang for similar text. The "Engine Gear" section does have too many superlatives and so I've moved the advert warning there.

Sure, the material is of interest only to fans... but again, see Ford Mustang.

Jordan Brown 07:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

See my comments above. David Spector (user/talk) 13:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Advert?

"Takara Beyblade Stadiums are made better and work a lot better"

I have used both of these "Beyblade Stadiums" and there is no direct difference. May I remove this? Deletion Quality 16:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

there is no source (it seems to be original research) and seems quite biased. Please do so 72.207.45.14 04:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

These things must be tough

There was a story today in kotaku about some kids who were playing with them in the bathtub and destroyed the tub with them. And it wasn't a fiberglass tub, either. Not adding this to the article because it would be trivia unless the story of the kids' beyblades being auctioned to pay for the tub became notable (by WP standards) itself. Incidentally it seems that the listing got pulled, probably by ebay. Rifter0x0000 (talk) 08:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

There was another story about this incident on MSNBC. Apparently 4chan got involved and a lot of drama went down. Something like this touches on some really important issues like child discipline and the Internet so it should be watched because it might be notable enough for inclusion, depending on what happens.-Schnurrbart (talk) 21:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Illustration requested

ehn (talk) 09:27, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Still clueless

Having read this article, I'm still clueless about what the idea of these BeyBlade toys are. Which bits spin and which bits remain stationary? Is there a game involved here, or are they just collectable items? Are they intended to collide with each other? And if so, how is that brought about, and why? What are the rules of engagement (if any)? Please could you expand the basic information in this article to make it clearer to readers what it is all about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.54.160 (talk) 21:21, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay in answering. Taken together with the article on the Anime series, these articles pretty much answer such questions as well as can be done without including original research. These are toys sold by Hasbro. They are portrayed in anime-style cartoons on television in English and other languages. They are more used for play than collected. They are intended to collide with each other in various ways. The subtleties of such collisions are important to the play. Beys are spun up by pulling a plastic strip that engages with a gear. Then the beys are placed or thrown into a plastic arena held on the lap or more likely on the floor. The beys spontaneously move around the arena and randomly collide. Sometimes bey collisions cause beys to be ejected from the arena at high speed. Children make up stories about what is happening, and are concerned with adjustments or accessories used, such as metal gear-like rings that increase the violence of collisions. David Spector (user/talk) 13:46, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Dizzy Dancers

Can we say FurReal Friends Dizzy Dancers, made by Hasbro (who distributes Beyblade in North America) using FurReal characters, is a variant of Beyblade? JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 04:38, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

They are not sold under the trade name of Beyblade, so no. They also lack the specific feature of customization which is a core concept to the Beyblade brand. --King Starscream (talk) 15:19, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Production

Should be noted where Beyblade "toys" were first produced (or made) in? It is likely they were first produced in Japan, as like the anime. But I've heard rumours they were first produced in Korea, originally. Can someone please confirm this? --121.213.23.30 (talk) 09:36, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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Edit war? Top list of Beyblades is unencyclopedic and doesn't belong in the article. Discuss.

I removed it, someone immediately put it back. This kind of list doesn't belong on Wikipedia. It has NO sources, looking back in the edit history it seems to all be based on editor opinion, which should never happen. Unless this is based on an outside source that has based the list on non-subjective criteria, this entire section should be removed forever. --Ifrit (Talk) 17:46, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

top list of beyblades is irrelevant .  wikipedia is not meant for opinion. this is the reason that Wikipedia is so unpopular with schools. because people don't know how to just put the facts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.29.177 (talk) 13:56, 8 January 2021 (UTC) 

Edits so far and suggestions

I have attempted to trim some of the non-pertinent information such as specific products, part combinations, and such while also attempting to make the article more readable. There are still some points that need to be corrected, but it's a start. I think the main layout of the page should be something like this when finished:

Introduction

• Basic rules
  • Types
  • Additional rules (since this was the first time any new rules were added to the main game)
• Systems
  • Original
  • Metal
    • 4D
    • Shogun Steel (subitem because it was basically a continuation with only minor rework)
  • Burst
  • Other (quick mention of non-customizable spin-off toys)
• Differences in regional releases (not as comprehensive as the existing list, just a short paragraph or two)

A lot of the existing information here is useful, but too intricate and needs rewriting for grammar and punctuation. Hopefully we can get this page up to standards quickly. I'm not an expert on citation requirements, since I thought that I had provided proper objective second-party sources on other articles but had them removed later. I'll need someone a bit more versed in that regard to help out. --192.107.155.5 (talk) 17:05, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

• I have made several of the changes above to make the page more readable. I've also updated the layout as I had actually intended it to be from the beginning. I would again like to request someone to help find citations and make adjustments as necessary, particularly in regards to making it less intricately detailed or sounding less like an advertisement. Any suggestions are welcome as long as they're genuinely constructive. --2600:8805:1112:DB00:6436:6B9C:6A6C:5129 (talk) 02:06, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Let a Beyblade expert edit this.

Please, add full and updated info. I noticed more than 3 mistakes in the Burst section already. I have edited but I have not read the whole anime/manga so please somebody add accurate info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EastRaptor38085 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Not a product list

Please do not add lists of products to the article. It is not an advertisement or a definitive collection of all information on the subject. If that is something you are interested in seeing, please refer to the Beyblade Wiki instead. --King Starscream (talk) 17:09, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move 7 February 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:21, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

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• Beyblade (toy) → Beyblade
• Beyblade → Beyblade (manga)

– It makes sense that the real life toy would take precedence over the fictional manga created to promote their sales. The purpose of creating it in the first place was to sell toys. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 08:12, 7 February 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:18, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support. It's a close call, according to this pageview analysis. I certainly support the "Beyblade --> Beyblade (manga)" move on the grounds some readers who want the toy are currently being steered to the manga. The manga is not the subject that gets the most page views and should not be primary topic. Colin Gerhard (talk) 10:00, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose first, support second. It loks as if there's no primary topic here, so the best option would be to make the base title a disambiguation page. O.N.R. ^(talk) 16:26, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support (both) per WP:TWODABS. The toys seem more notable than the manga series. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:48, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

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Excessive jargon and needless info

I'm going to try and slim this page as much as possible, but I'm not sure what warrants inclusion. Someone who doesn't know much about Beyblade should really take a look and give their judgement. Planned Planethood (talk) 23:50, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Re: Excessive jargon and needless info

This page has serious issues that have become more apparent over time. I think the in-depth coverage of subsystems should be removed entirely and replaced with a simple bullet point list. In addition, this page should probably be protected so kids can't come in and add their thoughts on what the best beyblade is, or plug their fanfictions. Planned Planethood (talk) 02:35, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

The Cores are made of what metal(s) ?

• I can't seem to find the answer to this in a quick search (short of reports saying counterfeits contain lead), but does anyone have a source/know the answer to what the metal is made of? It doesn't seem to be heavy enough to be lead, so some sort of Pot Metal concoction lol. Not dangerous i assume, i'm just intrigued at this point. If only i had an X-Ray Florescence Gun! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric Lotze (talk • contribs) 00:16, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

  Beyblade has used Zinc alloy since the original series. MakotoLee (talk) 00:51, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

No mention of the anime and no link to find a page on it?

The anime isn't good, that's just fact. But if someone were to watch it and want to know about the creation: Actors, producers, directors, etc, etc. They should be able to find a page on a reputable site. 71.45.97.90 (talk) 22:03, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Your personal opinions aside, Wikipedia does in fact have articles for every season of the anime (you just have to look). This article is primarily a dated article for the toyline. MakotoLee (talk) 00:52, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 1 October 2023

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus in favour of creation of a franchise article first, be it a result of a merge, a rewrite, or a new article. We can revisit this when the said article has been created. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 04:32, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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• Beyblade → Beyblade (toy)
• Beyblade (disambiguation) → Beyblade

– This article is only about toys so it should be moved Beyblade (toy) also look at other Japanese media franchise such as One Piece, Naruto, Pokémon, these articles is about entire media franchise not just manga or video games. Ajeeb Prani (talk) 07:57, 1 October 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:43, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes I agree to that. What about the others? What do they think about this decision?VizDsouz (talk) 13:03, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Also this will make a difference between the articles and I don’t think a disambiguation is necessary. But if you wish to add disambiguation, then I have no objection. VizDsouz (talk) 13:10, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree as well. LIJ4EVA (talk) 16:27, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

• Malformed request. Beyblade should not redirect to the dab page; if the proposal here is that there is no primary topic, then the dab page needs to be moved to Beyblade. See WP:EXPLICIT. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I have edited the move request. Ajeeb Prani (talk) 17:41, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

If this page is moved to beyblade (toy), will beyblade (manga) be moved to beyblade. VizDsouz (talk) 18:12, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

No, It won't be moved to Beyblade. Ajeeb Prani (talk) 18:27, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I asked coz the title Beyblade (manga) could just refer to the manga. VizDsouz (talk) 18:44, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. I don't see the benefit of pointing to disambiguation, IMO. The manga and everything else was made to promote the toys. It is a little weird that they are so non-prominent in this article. But I'd say a franchise article, would be superior to a disambiguation page --Quiz shows 22:54, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

  @Quiz shows: A franchise article can only be created when this article gets moved to Beyblade (toy) and I don't think Beyblade toys is primary topic. Ajeeb Prani (talk) 03:09, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

  @Ajeeb Prani: you can make the article at Beyblade (franchise) and then propose making that the primary topic. Such a move request would be far more likely to succeed. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:00, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

  @VizDsouz: and @LIJ4EVA: Can you guys create it? I'm little busy these days. Ajeeb Prani (talk) 03:50, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

  What will be the context of the article? Will it be the same as Beyblade? VizDsouz (talk) 12:26, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

  No, Beyblade article is only about the game, you will have add the overall franchise information into Beyblade (franchise), you can take help from One Piece, Naruto, Pokémon etc. Ajeeb Prani (talk) 13:21, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge and move to Beyblade (franchise): See Requested merge 12 October 2023 below for proposal. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 21:40, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
• Relister's note: RMCD bot never put a notification tag on related dab page. Per WP:RMCI#Relisting, the discussion must go a full seven days (more) before being closed. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:43, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Better to rewrite the article to be more of a franchise-oriented one. (Or create such an article before proposing a move). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:32, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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Requested merge 12 October 2023

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Related to the discussions above: Requested move 1 October 2023, and the prior Requested move 7 February 2020...

• Beyblade → Beyblade (manga)

The toy article reads like an instruction manual or advertisement, with few inline citations. It is highly unlikely the toy article will carry sufficient information to stand on its own (meaning if the superfluous information is removed). It is more logical to merge the contents together, then carry out a RM to Beyblade (franchise). — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 21:32, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: There are more than one manga (Beyblade: Metal Fusion, Beyblade Burst, Beyblade X) so all other mangas will be need to merged. Ajeeb Prani (talk) 03:22, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

  I feel they shouldn’t be merged but let’s include them in the article.

  So here’s my layout for the article:

  Description

  Manga

  Anime

  Beyblades

  System

  if there’s anything to be added pls let me know. I will be busy for now might start doing it tomorrow. VizDsouz (talk) 04:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the toy is independently notable. [1] for example is a good source discussing the toys, and I'm sure there's plenty of coverage in Japanese. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The toy is independently notable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:32, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The toy is independently notable. Added citations from the BBC and a popularity section to support this. Quuxbazbarfoo (talk) 13:38, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

  The toy is notable, but the manga isn't. Cleter (talk) 03:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  The manga article has enough coverage and references to pass notability. Care to explain why it is not notable according to you? Also, assuming that the manga is what is not notable here, it doesn't make sense to try to merge the content from Beyblade (the toy) to Beyblade (manga) (it would be the other way around if this were the case), as you insist on doing. Xexerss (talk) 05:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. The Beyblade toy is independently notable, so this proposal is either malformed or an obvious no merge. The reverse also seems unnecessary, though that isn't the discussion at hand.--Cerebral726 (talk) 20:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

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What?

"Players receive points based on the appearance of their Beyblade, as the names of certain Beyblades can differ depending on the region. The scoring system takes into account both Hasbro and Takara Tomy terminologies, with points awarded accordingly. The Beyblade's visual appeal becomes a key factor in determining the player's score, as the Hasbro terminology is followed by the Takara Tomy names. This ensures a fair evaluation, considering the regional variations in Beyblade names. The scoring process reflects the diverse naming conventions used by both Hasbro and Takara Tomy, enhancing the overall fairness and inclusivity of the competition. In essence, the evaluation system accommodates the unique characteristics of Beyblades from different regions."

As far as I can tell from my beyblade knowledge, this section is either outright wrong or extremely unclear. It also contradicts the rest of the rules section. The only thing I can figure is that the author was trying to describe handicaps put in place for competing with both Hasbro and Takara beyblades (Takara are heavier and thus superior), but this is is niche and subjective fan-conjecture, not a part of the official rules. I'm gonna remove it Thanuhrei (talk) 21:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Beyblade (franchise)

I have created a draft on Beyblade (franchise) per discussion. Someonewhoisusinginternet (talk) 11:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Sales Numbers

The wiki page claims that 5 Billion (yes, billion with a “B”) Beyblade tops had been sold in the US alone by 2003. That number is absurd on its face and very obviously untrue.

For reference, this NPR article from 2011 claims that as of 2011, ~120 Million Beyblades had been sold *worldwide*, which is far more believable.

https://www.npr.org/2011/12/12/143569391/beyblades-a-new-spin-puts-an-old-toy-back-on-top

I decided to leave editing the page to others, but I wanted to point out the misinformation. 2600:6C60:427F:7576:7C27:872F:8AF7:B66F (talk) 05:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done changed. Although i've changed it with a source that mentions a 5 million figure in the US as of 2003. Yeah it looks like the billion part was a mistake on the author of the newspaper article. Timur9008 (talk) 14:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 8 September 2024

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Neither support nor oppose arguments are particularly visible, nor is there a clear balance of opinions in either direction. Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans 14:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Beyblade → Beyblade (toy)
• Beyblade (franchise) → Beyblade

– Related to the previous discussion, the article wasn't moved last time because the Beyblade (franchise) page didn't exist. Now that it has been created, I'm making the move request again. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 13:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 18:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 00:08, 24 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 13:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Requesting editors to determine the primary topic — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 18:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose There is no real evidence the franchise passes WP:GNG - that the franchise itself is discussed in secondary sources that are more than a simple announcement. So far it seems like the page is unwarranted and the spinoffs should simply be mentioned in the toy article, as I noted last year, with the franchise article as a secondary possibility IF sources could be found. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Maybe the DAB should be at the base name? Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Crouch, Swale Actually many users opposed making the disambiguation page the base name in the previous discussion. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 14:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Need more clear consensus. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 13:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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