Talk:Bhatia caste

Overlap?

Is the group described in this article the same as the topic of Bhati? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:23, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

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bhatias are the pure descendants of bhati rajputs Nirbhey (talk) 13:28, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide a reliable source, and indicate exactly what you want changing, ~~ OxonAlex - talk 15:24, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Bhatia is pure rajput clan

Bhatias are Rajputs . We must add this truth on this page Nirbhey (talk) 19:36, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey nirbhey , someone really messed this page up . Bhatia is a pure rajput clan and here in the history all the details are wrong , i request wikipedia to chnge it otherwise delete this page . it is creating confusion between bhatia community Harman11313 (talk) 01:02, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

-Nirbhay, please add a reference to this, please prove that they were Rajputs, otherwise, we will consider this a hoax until you put a reference,

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Bhatia is a Rajput caste. 122.161.66.36 (talk) 08:20, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:11, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2021

The Bhatias are a class of Rajputs, originally coming from Bhatner, Jaisalmer and the Rajputana desert. 2409:4050:2E4B:59F1:0:0:A8CA:F (talk) 16:48, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done ― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 15:30, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Who is Ghoswami?

It’s been well documented that “the Bhatia is a well-made, tall, fair- skinned tough race with beautiful women”. Can you please also add that into the quotes do you need me to tell you from where because it is in the books that have already been quoted.

Maybe this Goswami wants to associate that quality with the Bania’s.

Can you also let us add our Military contribution? Is this page being hijacked by Bhatia Haters and they will not allow us to enter the truth. 2601:40A:8202:8A70:94BF:CEF6:3F85:E82 (talk) 07:39, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

check this link https://www.quora.com/profile/Sirdar-Singh-Bhatia Harman11313 (talk) 01:34, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Who is making these low in changes.

No mention of their Sikh History? No mention of Bhatia’s enormous land holdings. No mention of their military history. The Royal Bhati family has verified the Bhatia are original Bhati’s. This guy posted some no name ghoswami, low IQ opinion. No wonder Wikipedia is an unreliable source you got low IQ morons with biased opinions edited stuff on others pages. Simba lionhunter (talk) 22:10, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

No personal attacks please. Martial history is now added. Please review. It was present in May but had been mistakenly deleted due to some reverts. LukeEmily (talk) 22:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

its not about the personal attacks , bhatias are rajputs from bhatner , i can provide you with amny proofs , even this page once was showing bhatias are rajputs in around 2019 when i used to check it . i dont know who changed it , it is my humble request to your team please coreect this . we bhatias are rajputs. Harman11313 (talk) 01:05, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

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Bhatia is a Rajput caste , this all you guys have written in the history of the page is not correct. Either correct the page or delete it .

File:Bhatia caste

Harman11313 (talk) 01:32, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:55, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

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Bhatia is a rajput clan i can prove that Bhatia community is basically the enterprising mercantile community of India. Originally a warrior race, Bhatia community is now mostly involved in trade and commerce. In the past, Bhatias were called Bhattis. They claim to be the descendents of Kshatriyas or Rajputs. It is believed that they have originated from the Sindh province. Today, this community is mostly found in the north western province of the country. They are concentrated in the states of Rajasthan, Punjab, Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Gujarat, Haryana, Jammu and Kashmir and Delhi.

Origin of Bhatia Community In the 6th century, Raja Bhoopat reigned in Lahore. He acquired fame for his valour, courage and administrative shrewdness. His dynasty came to be known as Bhatti or Bhati Dynasty from which the name Bhatia has been derived. They successively established Tannot, Deraval and Jaisalmer in around 1156 AD. During the reign of Raja Mulraj, 1316 AD was a crucial year for the Bhatias as they were threatened with extinction. It was at this time that Ala-ud-din Khilji invaded Jaisalmer and besieged it for a year.

Society of Bhatia Community Among the Bhatias, prominent ones are Jakhar, Halai, Pavrai, Navgam, Pachisgaam, Thattai, Kutchi, Veha, and Punjabi. Further, Bhatias from Kutch region are known as Kutchi Bhatias and those from Jamnagar district are Halai Bhatia, those from Sindh (presently in Pakistan) are called as Sindhi Bhatias, and those from Punjab are popularly known as Punjabi Bhatias. In their community, the boys and girls whose blood relationship was beyond seven generations could marry. In their society, widow remarriage is not allowed. This decision marked the beginning of the formation of groups or clans. In different regions the Bhatias acquired different styles of dressing. Harman11313 (talk) 01:45, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

No sources given. Please read WP:EDITREQUEST. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:26, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Please dont mix yaduvanshi kshatriya with vaishyas

dear wikipedia its sincere request to remove the comparison of bhatias with vaishyas or bania. Bhatias are descendants(rajputs or yadu kshatriyas)of raja shaliwan who used to be king of sialikot and their last fort is fort jeselmer. I dont know how to edit but this information is everywhere on internet and history books. You people are technical and you can easily restore the truth . With folded hands i want to request you to remove those lines where bhatias are compared with vaishyas . you can take reference of more reliable books by knowledgeable and senior historians like Mangla Ben Purandre, Hukum singh bhati books ( gajni to jeselmer ), Sir Ibettson book ( Castes of Punjab)

Regards Nirbhey2311 (talk) 12:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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1. 3000 BC - Bhatias are the descendants of Lord Krishna -- After the destruction of Dwarika, the great grandson of Lord Krishna, named Vajrnabh Survived. He migrated to a place which is now called Ghazni (in Afghanistan) and he established his Kingdom there. His many generations ruled there.

2. 600 BC - King Gajpat (from the lineage of Vajrnabh) named Gajnipur as the capital of his Kingdom after his name. The city of Gajnipur is what is now called as Ghazni in Afganistan.

3. 100 AD - 300 AD-- King Shalivahan -- Due to continuous battles with Scythians, The clan decided to migrate to Punjab and establish their Kingdom there. City of Sialkot became the capital of their new Kingdom and was named after the King Shalivahan. The Clan ruled in Sialkot Lahore region till 300 AD. Till this time the clan was known by their Yaduvanshi identity.

4. 300 AD - 628 AD -- King Bhati (300 AD) became an important figure in this lineage and the clan took the surname Bhati from his name and it came to be called as the Bhati clan. Around the same time, Hun Tribe invaded the North Western Part of India and there were many waves of their invasions. After fighting for a long time King Bhati decided to shift his kingdom to a safer place. He migrated to the south part of Punjab and built a fort city and started ruling there. He named the fort after him as Bhatner and it still exists in the present town of Hanumangarh (Punjab Rajasthan Border).

5. 628 AD to 850 AD - Around 628 AD, due to drought in the region of Bhatner, most of the clan migrated from there in search of a better place. After that they established their Kingdom on the banks of river Indus near Multan and named this fort city as Bhatia (a city ruled by Bhati). The name of the city sounds similar to Bhatia surname but this was a coincidence as at that time Bhatia branch had not separated out of Bhati Clan. This city is presently named as Uch Sharif in Pakistan.

The historical document of "Chachnama" tells us that around 700 AD King Sohan of Bhatia City, sent a marriage proposal for the sister of King Dahar of state Sindh.

Around 712 AD Mumahhamd Bin Qasim, invaded the Sindh state which was ruled by King Dahar. After initial victories, King Dahar got defeated finally and his son Jaisiah took refuge in the neighboring Bhatia Kingdom. Knowing this Muhammad Bin Qasim attacked the city of Bhatia. Nothing much is known about the outcome of this battle. After some years Islamic armies were defeated by a collective army of Hindu Kings of which Bhati Kings were also a part of.

6. 830 AD to 900 AD - After the battles with Arabs, Bhati lineage retained its Kingdom in the fort city of Bhatia. But they started searching for alternate safer places to expand their Kingdom and simultaneously rule the Fort city of Bhatia. Around 830 AD they expanded eastwards and built another fort named Derawar which exists till date in Bahawalpur District of Pakistan.

7. Separation of Bhatia branch out of Bhati clan (Between 850 to 900 AD) - Around the same time Bhatis moved further eastwards and captured a place in the Thar Desert (Rajasthan) which is now on the Indo-Pakistan border. Kehar Singh Bhati laid the foundation of the fort at that place. His elder son Tanu Rai completed the construction of that fort and named it as Tanot after his name. Kehar Singh had 6 sons of which Tanu Rai was the eldest so he got the accession to the throne of King. The youngest son of Kehar Singh was Yam Bhati and Bhatias are his descendants. The descendants of Yam Bhati (locally called as Jam Bhati) suffixed the letters "Ya" from his name after their surname Bhati and started calling themselves as "Bhatiya". In this way Bhatia branch separated out of Bhati clan

8. 900 AD to 1004 AD - That time Bhati (& Bhatia) clan ruled a vast area from Tanot in east to the Bhatia fort city on River Indus in west. A descendant of Tanu Rai, named Vijay Rai ruled the fort city of Bhatia (on Indus river) around 1000 AD. He was an aggressive and able administrator. Mahmud Ghazni attacked the fort city of Bhatia in 1004 AD. Al-Utbi the contemporary writer of Mahmud Ghazni writes in his records that Bhatis under Vijay Rai fought very bravely for 4 days with Ghazni. Till 3rd day they were getting victorious and muslims armies were badly defeated but on 4th day due to some uncertain reason Vijay Rai got defeated. He fled into jungles and when he got captured he killed himself. After that Bhatia city was captured by Ghazni.

9. 1004 AD to 1294 AD - King Rawal Jaisal founded the fort city of Jaisalmer in 1156 AD.

10. 1294 AD to 1305 AD - Allah ud din Khilji invaded the Kingdom of Jaisalmer. Bhati & Bhatia defended the fort for 8 years during which the forces left outside of the walls occupied themselves attacking the supply lines of the besiegers. During the siege Rawal Jethsi died and was succeeded by his son Mulraj II. Due to prolonged siege the ammunition and food in the fort exhausted and the clan facing certain defeat they decided that there was no alternative but to perform the rite of Jauhar. 24,000 women committed suicide on a funeral pyre. Men 3,800, in number then threw open the gates of the fort and advanced towards the suicidal misson of attacking a hghly outnumber enemy army and faced the death.

11. 1305 to 1315 AD (Consolidation & Dispersion) - After the defeat at Jaisalmer, the surviving members of the Bhatia branch (of Bhati lineage) left Jaislemer and their ancestral kingdom and moved towards west Punjab. Around 1315 AD, the whole Bhatia community met at the city of Multan along with their priests to discuss the problems arising related to marriage of the current generations of the community.

12. Afterwards - After that Bhatia community dispersed in different directions and settled in different regions such as Punjab, Sindh, North West Frontier Province, Afganistan and some Bhatias even moved back to their ancestoral Kingdom of Jaisalmer and their families still reside there. Based on the circumstances and opportunities, Bhatias adopted different professions like Business, Farming, Diary & Soldiers in the army of other rulers. Later on, In Punjab and Sindh Bhatias attached themselves with the local communites of Khatris and Aroras and became part of the larger Khatri fold. However both Bhatia & Bhati families of Jaiselmer recognize themselves as Rajputs.

Source of above Historical information - 1. Book on Historical Document of Chachnama - "Chachnama Retold" by Gobind Khushalani 2. Writings of Al- Utbi, who was writer of Mahmud Ghazni 3. Book - "Bhati Vansh ka Gauravmayi Itihaas" by Hukum Singh Bhati 4. Book - The History of Bhatias by Professor Mangala Purandare 5. "Panjab Castes" by Sir Denzil Ibbetson 6. "The Tribes & Castes of Bombay" RE Enthoven 7. People of India - Punjab by KS Singh 8. Bhatia Itihas by HR Bhatia 9. Writings of Col James Tod 10. Some other local author Books on Kshatriya Vanshaavali

Information from all these sources was gathered and corelated to write this Post on the complete History of Bhatias 2409:4050:EBE:E3A8:1C5:CA43:A10C:A1A7 (talk) 21:21, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done, while I appreciate your effort, you must ask for specific changes to specific parts of the article, not simple list facts and sources. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 02:05, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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1. 3000 BC - Bhatias are the descendants of Lord Krishna -- After the destruction of Dwarika, the great grandson of Lord Krishna, named Vajrnabh Survived. He migrated to a place which is now called Ghazni (in Afghanistan) and he established his Kingdom there. His many generations ruled there.

2. 600 BC - King Gajpat (from the lineage of Vajrnabh) named Gajnipur as the capital of his Kingdom after his name. The city of Gajnipur is what is now called as Ghazni in Afganistan.

3. 100 AD - 300 AD-- King Shalivahan -- Due to continuous battles with Scythians, The clan decided to migrate to Punjab and establish their Kingdom there. City of Sialkot became the capital of their new Kingdom and was named after the King Shalivahan. The Clan ruled in Sialkot Lahore region till 300 AD. Till this time the clan was known by their Yaduvanshi identity.

4. 300 AD - 628 AD -- King Bhati (300 AD) became an important figure in this lineage and the clan took the surname Bhati from his name and it came to be called as the Bhati clan. Around the same time, Hun Tribe invaded the North Western Part of India and there were many waves of their invasions. After fighting for a long time King Bhati decided to shift his kingdom to a safer place. He migrated to the south part of Punjab and built a fort city and started ruling there. He named the fort after him as Bhatner and it still exists in the present town of Hanumangarh (Punjab Rajasthan Border).

5. 628 AD to 850 AD - Around 628 AD, due to drought in the region of Bhatner, most of the clan migrated from there in search of a better place. After that they established their Kingdom on the banks of river Indus near Multan and named this fort city as Bhatia (a city ruled by Bhati). The name of the city sounds similar to Bhatia surname but this was a coincidence as at that time Bhatia branch had not separated out of Bhati Clan. This city is presently named as Uch Sharif in Pakistan.

The historical document of "Chachnama" tells us that around 700 AD King Sohan of Bhatia City, sent a marriage proposal for the sister of King Dahar of state Sindh.

Around 712 AD Mumahhamd Bin Qasim, invaded the Sindh state which was ruled by King Dahar. After initial victories, King Dahar got defeated finally and his son Jaisiah took refuge in the neighboring Bhatia Kingdom. Knowing this Muhammad Bin Qasim attacked the city of Bhatia. Nothing much is known about the outcome of this battle. After some years Islamic armies were defeated by a collective army of Hindu Kings of which Bhati Kings were also a part of.

6. 830 AD to 900 AD - After the battles with Arabs, Bhati lineage retained its Kingdom in the fort city of Bhatia. But they started searching for alternate safer places to expand their Kingdom and simultaneously rule the Fort city of Bhatia. Around 830 AD they expanded eastwards and built another fort named Derawar which exists till date in Bahawalpur District of Pakistan.

7. Separation of Bhatia branch out of Bhati clan (Between 850 to 900 AD) - Around the same time Bhatis moved further eastwards and captured a place in the Thar Desert (Rajasthan) which is now on the Indo-Pakistan border. Kehar Singh Bhati laid the foundation of the fort at that place. His elder son Tanu Rai completed the construction of that fort and named it as Tanot after his name. Kehar Singh had 6 sons of which Tanu Rai was the eldest so he got the accession to the throne of King. The youngest son of Kehar Singh was Yam Bhati and Bhatias are his descendants. The descendants of Yam Bhati (locally called as Jam Bhati) suffixed the letters "Ya" from his name after their surname Bhati and started calling themselves as "Bhatiya". In this way Bhatia branch separated out of Bhati clan

8. 900 AD to 1004 AD - That time Bhati (& Bhatia) clan ruled a vast area from Tanot in east to the Bhatia fort city on River Indus in west. A descendant of Tanu Rai, named Vijay Rai ruled the fort city of Bhatia (on Indus river) around 1000 AD. He was an aggressive and able administrator. Mahmud Ghazni attacked the fort city of Bhatia in 1004 AD. Al-Utbi the contemporary writer of Mahmud Ghazni writes in his records that Bhatis under Vijay Rai fought very bravely for 4 days with Ghazni. Till 3rd day they were getting victorious and muslims armies were badly defeated but on 4th day due to some uncertain reason Vijay Rai got defeated. He fled into jungles and when he got captured he killed himself. After that Bhatia city was captured by Ghazni.

9. 1004 AD to 1294 AD - King Rawal Jaisal founded the fort city of Jaisalmer in 1156 AD.

10. 1294 AD to 1305 AD - Allah ud din Khilji invaded the Kingdom of Jaisalmer. Bhati & Bhatia defended the fort for 8 years during which the forces left outside of the walls occupied themselves attacking the supply lines of the besiegers. During the siege Rawal Jethsi died and was succeeded by his son Mulraj II. Due to prolonged siege the ammunition and food in the fort exhausted and the clan facing certain defeat they decided that there was no alternative but to perform the rite of Jauhar. 24,000 women committed suicide on a funeral pyre. Men 3,800, in number then threw open the gates of the fort and advanced towards the suicidal misson of attacking a hghly outnumber enemy army and faced the death.

11. 1305 to 1315 AD (Consolidation & Dispersion) - After the defeat at Jaisalmer, the surviving members of the Bhatia branch (of Bhati lineage) left Jaislemer and their ancestral kingdom and moved towards west Punjab. Around 1315 AD, the whole Bhatia community met at the city of Multan along with their priests to discuss the problems arising related to marriage of the current generations of the community.

12. Afterwards - After that Bhatia community dispersed in different directions and settled in different regions such as Punjab, Sindh, North West Frontier Province, Afganistan and some Bhatias even moved back to their ancestoral Kingdom of Jaisalmer and their families still reside there. Based on the circumstances and opportunities, Bhatias adopted different professions like Business, Farming, Diary & Soldiers in the army of other rulers. Later on, In Punjab and Sindh Bhatias attached themselves with the local communites of Khatris and Aroras and became part of the larger Khatri fold. However both Bhatia & Bhati families of Jaiselmer recognize themselves as Rajputs.

Source of above Historical information - 1. Book on Historical Document of Chachnama - "Chachnama Retold" by Gobind Khushalani 2. Writings of Al- Utbi, who was writer of Mahmud Ghazni 3. Book - "Bhati Vansh ka Gauravmayi Itihaas" by Hukum Singh Bhati 4. Book - The History of Bhatias by Professor Mangala Purandare 5. "Panjab Castes" by Sir Denzil Ibbetson 6. "The Tribes & Castes of Bombay" RE Enthoven 7. People of India - Punjab by KS Singh 8. Bhatia Itihas by HR Bhatia 9. Writings of Col James Tod 10. Some other local author Books on Kshatriya Vanshaavali

Information from all these sources was gathered and corelated to write this Post on the complete History of Bhatias 2409:4050:EBE:E3A8:1C5:CA43:A10C:A1A7 (talk) 21:23, 23 August 2024 (UTC)  Not done, see above. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 02:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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147.161.167.24 (talk) 14:04, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Bhatias are not a Khatri caste. They are Kshatriya and Rajput descending from BHatti rajputs orginally

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Bunnypranav (talk) 11:43, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

What happened to this page?

I used to check this page in 2019 or 2020 which claimed Bhatias to be rajput and now they are comparing them to baniyas please correct and show the real history of bhatias 2409:40D7:C:D90E:CDAD:EC69:234F:7507 (talk) 22:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)