Talk:Bhavana (actress)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 08:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

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Bhavana (actor) → Bhavana (actress) – More common disambiguating tag is "actress". Arfaz (talk) 19:17, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• Support, gender-neutrality may be a worthy aim, but "actor" out of context just sounds like a man.--Kotniski (talk) 07:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move 14 April 2016

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The result of the move request was: First is moved to Bhavana (Malayalam actress), Second is not moved  — Amakuru (talk) 07:49, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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• Bhavana (actress) → Bhavana (actress, born 1986)
• Bhavana (Kannada actress) → Bhavana Ramanna

– Current disambiguation phrases not precise. The second actress has also appeared in Tamil/Hindi/Tulu/Telugu films. Timmyshin (talk) 18:22, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

• Support first though Bhavana (Kerala actress) would be more recognizable than a birth date, given that the other's date of birth is not known. Oppose second pending evidence that she is known by this name. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:15, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Just searched the proposed second move "ಭಾವನಾ ರಾಮಣ್ಣ" not clear at all that the older actress (Bhavana (disambiguation)) is known by stage name + real surname. Did find a few articles, but in the minority. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:21, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

• First requested move: Oppose - Let's be WP:NATURAL - I support moving to Bhavana (Malayalam actress).
  Second requested move: Oppose per In ictu oculi. CookieMonster755 ^(talk) 21:57, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

On second thoughts, Bhavana (Malayalam actress) per User:CookieMonster755 makes more sense. Still oppose second move. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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Sexual assault

In this edit I removed the content about the subject's sexual assault. It was in the Career section, which was not well-conceived, as it has nothing to do with her career. If this content is going to be included, someone needs to figure out a more intuitive place for it. However, I do fear that without any other information, (like details about a trial, a conviction, subsequent activism to fight rape or to change laws,) a unique section would unduly draw attention to a negative event without providing sufficient context. I also fail to see where it could be intuitively included elsewhere in the article.

Also, per WP:BLPCRIME, "A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. For relatively unknown people, editors must seriously consider not including material in any article suggesting that the person has committed a crime, or is accused of having committed one, unless a conviction is secured." It would be a mistake to implicate a suspect, especially when worded as it was by Koodfaand here. Koodfaand, you need to brush up on your understanding of libel and what sort of phrasing could potentially be considered libelous. It is poor judgment to assert, without any trial conviction, that someone was involved in a rape. The smarter approach here is to omit the details about potential suspects, should someone find a way to resolve the other issues raised above. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:29, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: I think we can include a new section Kidnaping but I feel it's too soon to write anything because different sources provide the different story and this recently published sources confirmed that that the actress hasn’t alleged rape. GSS (talk|c|em) 10:16, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

@GSS-1987: I trust your judgment. The biggest issue was the BLPCRIME concern as well as the issue of drawing undue attention to an event that may not have much 10-year relevance. Your additional notes, that it might be premature to include at all, are appreciated. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:53, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Agree! and I think we should wait till we receive more clear information like you said above (details about a trial, a conviction, subsequent activism to fight rape or to change laws) before making any statement but in worst case if someone wants to include this information I believe it should be written from a natural point of view without violating WP:BLPCRIME and must not be one-sided. GSS (talk|c|em) 17:33, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

In this edit, I removed the connection made in the article between actor Dileep and the sexual assault. The two references did not have the name of the actress. It is WP:OR because the references do not support the claim. This problem arises because of the Indian law (to protect the victim) bans anything which connects her to a particular crime in public. She can potentially sue wikipedia for this entire section. Drajay1976 (talk) 06:12, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Should Controversy be blanked ?

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Users and IP adresses state that revealing the identity of the person is a violation of Indian law. @Cyphoidbomb: What should be done here ? King Prithviraj II (talk) 04:50, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Do note that the link that the citation mentioned (http://www.newindianexpress.com/entertainment/malayalam/2017/feb/20/leading-malayalam-actor-gets-reportedly-abducted-and-molested-by-former-employee-1571991.html<) has been edited to remove the actress name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.101.246.183 (talk) 06:26, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Please stop edit-warring regarding this issue, let the section remain blank for now according to WP:BLP, all sources have removed the actress's name from their list, and Wikipedia does not have a citation stating the name of the actress. King Prithviraj II (talk) 13:31, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Police taking legal action against people who use her name on public domain.but she complained in police bout the attack hapnd against her on the very next day of that incident Akhiljaxxn (talk) 13:37, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

If the sources do not include the name of the actress then we should not have the information added to the article, as there is no longer a reference to this specific actress. Greedo8 14:41, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: Wikipedia is not under the jurisdiction of Indian law. If multiple reliable sources have released the name, then the information would be up for consideration. That said, we are also not required to list every detail about a subject, and it would be prudent to consider WP:BLPPRIVACY, but again, if this is common knowledge that is widely reported, we can adjust accordingly. Wikpedia is not a breaking news site, and we're not here to "get the scoop" on major journals. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:09, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: I would like to make a case for blanking of the whole section. Unlike what Cyphoidbomb has stated above, all the edits made in Wikipedia can come under jurisdiction of individual countries as stated in the clause 1b of the terms of use. The editors who decide to include content which go against the law of the land will have to face the consequences on their own. What are the consequences? Section 228A of the Indian Penal code provides for two year imprisonment and fine for anyone who discloses the identity of a victim of sexual assault. An exception can be made only on the written permission of the victim. She 'coming out', is not a written permission to reveal her name as the victim, in my opinion. So, everyone who edited in that section in a way that could reveal her identity are in risk of facing arrest and imprisonment. (even fine). So, that is that. --Drajay1976 (talk) 02:40, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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The above quote is from clause 1b of the terms of use. Wikipedia ***does not*** give immunity or promise to protect the editors from legal action. --Drajay1976 (talk) 02:43, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

@Drajay1976 While a lot of sections here discuss the same thing, please do not revive sections that are dead 4 years ago. Instead start a new one if you think no other section suits what you want to convey. — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 09:49, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 5 January 2018

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The result of the move request was:  Done (non-admin closure)  samee  ^talk 10:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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Bhavana (Malayalam actress) → Bhavana (actress) – Dab for Malayalam not necessary since there's no other actress in the same name, plus the current naming is improper anyway since she is also active in Kannada, Tamil, and Telugu language films. If it was meant for her ethnicity, then it should have been Bhavana (Malayali actress). Let There Be Sunshine (talk) 16:55, 5 January 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. — Zawl 13:44, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

• @Let There Be Sunshine:, what about Bhavana Ramanna, Bhavana Balsavar, Bhavana Bhatt, Bhavana Rao, and Bhavna Pani, all actresses? Is this Bhavana so overwhelmingly popular and mononymous that there is no confusion with any of these? bd2412 T 16:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

• BD2412, she is popular than those actresses and any topic with the name Bhavana (page views). She is known simply with her mononymous stage name Bhavana. If page views is considered, then actress Bhavana can usurp Bhavana, the term. Hope it cleared your doubt. Let There Be Sunshine (talk) 17:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Yes, it has. Support the move, primary topic for this name. bd2412 T 18:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support as per above comments. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:40, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support per "actress Bhavana" in GNews/GBooks. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:39, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support Results in Gbook. Mahveotm (talk) 14:29, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

  Note: Bhavana Ramanna was moved to Bhavana (Kannada actress) at 10:02, 12 January 2018. Just noting a change so that the discussion up to this point makes sense. Let There Be Sunshine (talk) 18:43, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose because there's also Bhavana (Kannada actress), and I think it's best in this case not to have a partial dab primary topic. I'd be happy to move to Bhavana (Malayali actress) per the nomination if that makes more sense than the current title though.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

• Bhavana is a primary topic. Why would you want to disambiguate a primary topic. If partial dab is a problem then I suggest it moved to 'Bhavana', usurping the word. Let There Be Sunshine (talk) 15:52, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

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Names

I have just moved Bhavana Ramanna back to Bhavana (Kannada actress), because that recent move was made against the RM of 2016, above on this page. As far as I can see, the Kannada actress is commonly referred to mononymically as well,[1][2][3] so this move has created a partial disambiguation situation, which would often be discouraged, even if one is primary over the other. @Zawl: please could you undo the move and reopen the RM so we can discuss further? I oppose the above move. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 10:13, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Amakuru: Media often refers celebrities with their first name as well. Per WP:COMMONNAME, it's Bhavana Ramanna, [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. She is an actress, producer, politician and dancer. This is a poster for the film Niruttara produced by her, see how she is credited ("Produced by: Bhavana Ramanna"). Her name in her official (not verified though) Facebook page is Bhavana Ramanna. Also see how she is mentioned in India's leading movie ticket selling site Bookmyshow.com. In politics, she is allegiant to Indian National Congress, her name is mentioned as Ms. Bhavana Ramanna in INC's official site. She is the chairperson of Bal Bhavan Society, an educational organisation, see her name given in their website. Clearly she prefers and is credited and known by the name Bhavana Ramanna. Let There Be Sunshine (talk) 18:31, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

@Let There Be Sunshine: I don't deny that there are some sources which use the longer Bhavana Ramanna name, but the question is what is the common name. To test that, I did a Google news search requesting just "Bhavana" and the name of her most recent film, "Niruttara".[11] This search would be equally likely to show Bhavana Ramanna or just Bhavana, depending how the source wrote it. And as you can see, most results coming up there just say "Bhavana". For most actresses or actors, sources would show FirstName Surname. That is why I believe that the single name version is the common name. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 14:54, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Amakuru: You could have understood this if you were an Indian. Because, South Indian media outlets often refer celebrities with their first name alone. Most South Indian actors also follows a mononymous name. Here, case is different she is not an actor who uses a mononymous name, as seen from her social media handle, screen credits and off-screen credits she uses the name Bhavana Ramanna, which is her common name. Also, the dab 'Kannada actress' is an improper name since she has also acted in other languages. Let There Be Sunshine (talk) 15:52, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2019

Updating about her new film Govinda Govinda Shreyashv2604 (talk) 12:51, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 13:28, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Removal of content

Hi, while patrolling recent changes, I have reverted two edits by an IP editor attempting to remove content from this page [12][13], and then had second thoughts[14]. Although the editor did not give an edit summary, I am inclined to assume good faith and let the page watchers decide what should be done with this content and whether its removal is a proper application of WP:BLP. JBchrch (talk) 22:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

JBchrch, It's been something going on for a while, trying to hide what happened basically. Add in the very lurid copyvio screenshots the IP also added plus the name changes, these are not good-faith edits. It's a mess, for sure. Ravensfire (talk) 23:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Removal of content (2)

Libra cursa, Why are you removing sourced content? Your edit summary doesn't make any sense. Note that the Wikipedia policy is to discuss on talk if you get reverted, not to simply repeat your edits. hemantha (brief) 11:08, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I believe WP:BLPCRIME allows this content which is removed, as we are not portraying him as guilty, nor is he not a public figure thus allowing to document. Of course, the article needs to be updated, but that is another issue, I presume? — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 11:45, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, updating has to be another issue. For one, Libra cursa might be taking my reverts to boards in the near future and I'm not particularly well-informed about this as it is. hemantha (brief) 15:07, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

This particular board, WP:AIV, doesn't need to be informed. The ones at WP:AN will need a notification. — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 15:13, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant: not well informed about the topic, Bhavana/Dileep etc. hemantha (brief) 15:30, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

OMG, silly me! — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 15:36, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Actually, the sources cited do not say it is Bhavana. I'd have to agree with Drajay1976 that it might be WP:OR ([15] and [16]). — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 11:07, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

I've reworded the whole section. While I get Drajay1976's point, it's a feeble technicality, especially moot since multiple WP:RS have indeed specifically linked him to the main accused, Pulsar Suni. There's an argument to be made whether the section belongs here at all, which since nobody has made, I wasn't bold enough to implement by nuking it outright. hemantha (brief) 17:01, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: I would like to make a case for blanking of the whole section. The edits made in Wikipedia can come under jurisdiction of individual countries as stated in the clause 1b of the terms of use. The editors who decide to include content which go against the law of the land will have to face the consequences on their own. What are the consequences? Section 228A of the Indian Penal code provides for two year imprisonment and fine for anyone who discloses the identity of a victim of sexual assault. An exception can be made only on the written permission of the victim. She 'coming out', is not a written permission to reveal her name as the victim, in my opinion. So, everyone who edited in that section in a way that could reveal her identity are in risk of facing arrest and imprisonment. (even fine). So, that is that.

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The above quote is from clause 1b of the terms of use. Wikipedia does not give immunity or promise to protect the editors from legal action. And, the objective of this law is to protect the victims. Not to protect the accused. I believe we should exercise caution and wait till the legal proceedings are over. --Drajay1976 (talk) 02:49, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

If there is no difference of opinion, I intend to blank the section entirely in the next two days. As per Section 228A of the Indian Penal Code, it is the prudent thing to do for the safety of the editors, in my opinion. --Drajay1976 (talk) 15:59, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

I am blanking the section as there seems to be no opposing opinion. --Drajay1976 (talk) 03:23, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Restored fully-sourced content, as Wikipedia is not censored, nor am I subject to the Indian Penal Code here in the U.S. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:03, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Orangemike, you may not be subject to Indian Penal Code, but all the Indian editors who were involved in editing that section will be - the edit history is there for everyone to see! It won't be you who will be charged, if you just include the content again. Besides, WP:CENSOR does not apply in this case because the section was not removed because it is objectionable or offensive. It was removed because it was illegal. WP:LIBEL would apply here more than WP:CENSOR, because in India, women who were sexually assaulted have the right to keep their identity secret. Here, keeping the information just extends victimization of the indivdiual. WP:AVOIDVICTIM is the policy we should follow in my opinion. I don't want to get into an edit war. I won't blank this section again. --Drajay1976 (talk) 14:42, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

The victim has made the incredibly courageous choice to step forward and declare that this has happened. We cannot let the legal system be manipulated to undo her act of bravery and resolve. The Indian editors are not to blame for what I chose to do. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:32, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

IPC Section 228A? Making legal threat itself can get you blocked (WP:LEGAL, WP:NPLT), not to mention censoring content with it. 1(b) of Terms of Use does not instructs to remove content that violates any local law, instead, it advices those editors who are bound to abide a local law that they should be cautious as the local authorities may apply their law on the editor if he/she resides under that jurisdiction, even though Wikipedia "may not agree with such actions". Regarding 228A, why should an Australian care about Indian law for editing Wikipedia which is hosted in the U.S.? Indian law applies only in India and Wikipedia only follows the U.S law. Wikipedia is available in 325 languages across the world. If every country's law was followed then Wikipedia would not be the same site you see now. WMF has never obeyed any foreign country's laws and has even defied government warnings, because of that the site was blocked by some countries, the most infamous being the three year ban in Turkey, nevertheless, the content remains unchanged. Even the Indian government had warned Wikipedia to change India's map to conform with the borders set by their Constitution, the map still remains unchanged. Where Indian Constitution itself is disobeyed you think you can censor something with IPC? Unlike social networking sites, WMF is nonprofit and hence need not to worry about losing business. The maximum these countries can do is site block or to take action against editors within their territory (that's what 1(b) says), but still you cannot censor.

WP:LIBEL does not apply here as this is not a "defamation" but a real factual incident, neither do WP:AVOIDVICTIM as it is for "a person noteworthy only for one or two events". The actress is fine publicly identifying herself as the victim in this case, whether she's fine or not, Wikipedia is NOT censored and you cannot remove victim's name or any content, unless it violates any Wikipedia policy or the U.S law. WP:NOTCENSORED clearly states: "Content will be removed if it is judged to violate Wikipedia's policies (especially those on biographies of living persons and using a neutral point of view) or the law of the United States (where Wikipedia is hosted)"; and WP:PUBLICFIGURE states: "If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it". So, it is what it is. 2409:4073:2E82:CD7A:C522:5000:D7B8:D4A2 (talk) 18:09, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I did not make a legal threat at all!! A legal threat is "a threat to engage in an external (real life) legal or other governmental process that would target other editors". I did no such thing! I did not say that I will move against any of the editors. I only described what can happen as per Indian law. A foreigner may restore content added by Indian editors and you need not care about Indian law at all. All up to you! As long as the content is there in the page, if someone files a case, it is the editors who added the content who will be held responsible, as far as I know. If you want to be solely responsible, I think you should add content of your own instead of restoring the page to a previous version edited by another editor. Claiming that I made a legal threat when I did no such thing is, WP:LAWYERING in my opinion. Like I said earlier, I don't want to get into an edit war. I won't blank the section again.--Drajay1976 (talk) 18:37, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

/ / Where Indian Constitution itself is disobeyed you think you can censor something with IPC? // Read WP:CENSOR. I blanked the section after a discussion in this talk page. I never said that I am removing the content because it is "objectionable or offensive"! Please don't do WP:LAWYERING --Drajay1976 (talk) 18:45, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Drajay1976:I think this discussion started off on a wrong foot. If you had cited state of California laws instead of citing Indian laws this discussion would not have dragged on for so long 😁 Sahir Shah 12:52, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Some of the content in this page is in violation of United States Laws

Hello, Wikimedia foundation is registered in the state of California, United States and have to comply with applicable laws. Some of the content appearing in this page is in violation of California laws that prohibit publishing a rape victim's name. Kindly do not allow this content on this page Sahir Shah 12:39, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@ToBeFree: @CapnZapp: This was already raised in the talk page. Sahir Shah 13:48, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@ToBeFree: You asked for references about laws of Florida and South Carolina that prohibit publishing a rape victims. Laws aside it's also common decency to refrain from adding to a rape victim's shame and agony. Hope this is sufficient : https://ethicscasestudies.mediaschool.indiana.edu/cases/naming-newsmakers/anonymity-for-rape-victims.html Sahir Shah 14:53, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I missed the previous discussion because the article fell off my watchlist (my mistake). You haven't linked any Calif. law prohibiting this, so I'll address only your "common decency" claim. Bhavana herself has addressed this and I'd used the Economic Times article as the very first ref in that section. In light of what Orangemike has called above, very appropriately, as an incredibly courageous choice to step forward, claims of "common decency" can possibly come across as sea-lioning. Hemantha (talk) 07:12, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Hemantha: It's not illegal in California, only in Florida and South Carolina. WP:CENSOR says "US laws", it does not say it has to be law of California where Wikipedia is incorporated or US federal law. If that was the intention it should be clearly stated. When I raised the issue earlier I wasn't aware that the victim herself has no objection to her name being dragged into this. The point I was trying to make at that time was that the page Dileep already has a paragraph on the same incident, so what is the need to duplicate the same material here and identify the victim in the process ? Re: "Sealioning" - is a type of trolling where persistent requests for evidence are made while ignoring the evidence that is already provided. For example what you are doing right now is a classical example of sealioning. It can also be categorized as 'misuse of jargon fallacy' and 'appeal to definition fallacy'. Hope this helps. 🙂🙂 BTW, I am no longer interested in this topic. Have a nice day 🙂 PastaMonk 16:06, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

In future, don't repeatedly remove sourced content which had extensive previous talk discussions when you aren't aware of full facts of the issue; especially if you don't wish your actions to be seen as vandalism. Hemantha (talk) 16:27, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

OK Sir. A thousand apologies 😁 I was just following the directive in WP:Be bold... did not realize being bold would stir up so many people. In future I shall seek your guidance when I feel inclined be bold 🙂 PastaMonk 16:44, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Bhavana's profile photo is to be added to Wikipedia.

That photo was taken by myself. All rights reserved. Kunchakoboban2022 (talk) 07:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

That photo was taken by myself. All rights reserved.

Kunchakoboban2022 (talk) 07:51, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Kunchakoboban2022:, Which photo did you talking about? Fade258 (talk) 09:03, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 12 February 2024

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. no decision made as to which title to move to – robertsky (talk) 11:26, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Bhavana (actress) → Bhavana Menon – Name as per media. Every single review of her latest film uses her last name, see [17] [18] and Case of Kondana#Reception. Similar case to [19] Tamannaah Bhatia. Gets rid of unneeded parentheticals.

A general search of Bhavana (actress) confirms this. DareshMohan (talk) 09:57, 12 February 2024 (UTC)— Relisting. Jerium (talk) 22:29, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NATURALDAB, is shown to be used[20][21] as per nom. The lead could still remain the same even if moved, unless essential. DankJae 21:53, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comment As the page mover who closed this RM, I've decided to reopen per request/discussion "Bhavana" at my talk page as I did not take to account the previous RMs. Jerium (talk) 22:35, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
• No opinion on which name to use, but if this isn't moved to the proposed name it should be moved to Bhavana (actress, born 1986) to disambiguate from Bhavana (Kannada actress). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:33, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: I express no opinion on which name to use but note that if this isn't moved to the proposed name, leaving it here is fine per explanations in WP:PDAB, as the view ratio between Bhavana (actress) and Bhavana (Kannada actress) is 10:1. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 05:47, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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Requested move 1 May 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 07:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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Bhavana (actress) → Bhavana (actress, born 1986) – WP:PDAB versus Bhavana (Kannada actress) not justified. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Toadette^Edit! 11:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 05:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Support the 1986 actress has 30,231 views but the Kannada one has 2,708[[22]] which probably isn't enough for a PDAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
• Opppose. The 1986-born actress receives ~10:1 views compared to the Kannada film industry actress. Although this ratio may not be the same as other ratios, it's a difference that makes Bhavana the primary topic for this WP:PDAB. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 23:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
• Comment IMO 10:1 is not enough for a PDAB, and it would be an easy support from me if we didn't need to worry about the title of Bhavana (Kannada actress). Unfortunately, that title is ambiguous because the current Bhavana (actress) is also (though not exclusively) a Kannada actress. And for Bhavana (Kannada actress), we don't know the birth year so we can't use that as a disambiguator. Could we perhaps rename that article to Bhavana Ramanna? -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

  Agreed with that proposal, but note it previously failed RM in the past. But I don't see why the bad title of one article should interfere with fixing the bad title of another one. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:43, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Comment she predominantly worked in Malayalam films and her native is Kerala. So, we could go with Bhavana (Malayalam actress) if Bhavana (actress) is common one. Aadirulez8 (talk) 10:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Bhavana (Kannada actress) also acted in the Malayalam film Otta, though, so that's still ambiguous. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:43, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Her husband is Telugu origin person, and is a Kannada producer. They live in his native city of Bangalore. Also, she has acted in several movies in other languages, and many of them are hits, in Tamil, Telugu and Kannada. She is also fluent in all these 4 languages. 117.230.82.101 (talk) 08:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

This page should remain as Bhavana (actress). This person Bhavana has acted in all 4 south Indian languages, and is far more prominent than other actresses of the same name.

There are multiple other actresses like Nandini Ramanna, Bhavna Pani, Bhavana Bhatt, Bhavana Balsavar, etcetera who has the name Bhavana. But this person is far more prominent than them, because of a multitude of reasons, like the number of films, the number of hits, her fight for social justice, etcetera.

A disambiguation page is there. A link to the disambiguation page can be put, if anyone is confused. 117.230.82.101 (talk) 08:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. Due to the reasons from both of the previous comments from me, I oppose the renaming. 117.230.82.101 (talk) 08:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Neither of these comments have anything to do with standard disambiguation principles. They seem to be your personal assessment of significance, using factors that aren't generally what the community considers to be long-term significance, and are therefore irrelevant. And the article mentions nothing about her fight for social justice, so that's doubly irrelevant. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Incomplete disambiguation. The fact she is the more prominent actress would only be relevant if she was the primary topic for Bhavana, which she is not. Since they both appear in Kannada films, the other one should probably be renamed too, although I don't know what to given we don't have a YOB for her. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Rename Bhavana (actress) to Bhavana Menon [23] and Bhavana (Kannada actress) to Bhavana Ramanna [24]. DareshMohan (talk) 21:18, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

  Both of these proposals have previously failed. This is letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, no? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

  • This is a similar case to Sunil (actor) vs Sunil (Kannada actor). The fact that Bhavana (actress) is still acting while Bhavana (Kannada actress) acts sparingly must be considered. The latter also acts in minor roles as of late. DareshMohan (talk) 06:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
    • WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS? I'd have supported Talk:Sunil (actor)#Requested move 7 August 2023 too if I had seen it. And what you are saying is pure WP:RECENTISM. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. A 10:1 ratio is not enough for PDAB? Why not? Firstly that's overwhelming, and secondly I don't see what's so bad about a PDAB in the first place other than Wikipedia lns don't seem to like it. The proposed move makes things demonstrably worse, making the disambiguator unwieldy and also using a birth year that few will recognise and isn't even certain in the first place. Do not touch this with a barge pole.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  Because disambiguation is supposed to disambiguate from the other topics. Having a partially qualified title is confusing for both readers and editors. I can accept it may be OK in cases of like 100:1 or 50:1 (though I would personally never !vote support doing so). But when its only 10:1, that's surely much too low for a PADB. The consensus is quite clear that the threshold is much higher for partial disambiguation. Partial disambiguation is clearly controversial and unlike the recent change to NCROY which goes along with the general titling policies partial disambiguation goes against PRECISE and ATDAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  isn't even certain in the first place -> the article doesn't mention any of this doubt over the birth year. And I largely agree with Crouch, Swale on all counts - I would certainly not call 10:1 overwhelming. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

  This looks like Nirvana (band) vs Nirvana (British band). Kailash29792 (talk) 10:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

  I think that's wrong too, and in any case the page view ratio is 5 times higher there. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

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