Talk:Big Fat Liar

Pretty long indeed

Compare this synopsis to the one in the German translation which is barely three paragraphs. AND says it all. If I want the detailed story, I'll watch the movie, right? --93.83.156.94 (talk) 09:21, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

There is an IP editor who keeps restoring a lengthy version of the plot. I had previously trimmed it down to 800 words, which is still above the recommended 700-word limit. Maybe the 800-word version could be trimmed further, but it shouldn't be expanded with unimportant details. Some of these additions are lengthy sentences that say the same thing as before but with more words. As of now, the plot is 1,104 words. If there are no objections, I would like to restore the smaller plot summary in accordance with WP:PLOTBLOAT.  AJFU  (talk) 19:31, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Frankly, the trimmed version leaves out certain parts of the movie. I personally think that the plot should have as much as possible. because you don't want it to be half plotted. that's what I believe. I'm just adding out of good faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:183:C602:4020:3D8E:7F03:F409:F030 (talk) 20:20, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

When it comes to plot summaries, Wikipedia does not strive to recreate the viewing experience entirely. A basic overview of the major events, using concise sentences, is all that is needed. Right now, the plot is full of little details which I think are minor distractions from the overall storyline. Take the following for example:

• Marty is sent to a child's birthday party (the same birthday party where stunt coordinator Vince wanted to take his granddaughter to, but Marty would not let him) This seems like a trivial detail, and it has no bearing on the plot as far as I can tell.
• Marty is less than amused when the tow truck driver jokes about his blue skin. This is an inconsequential detail that has no effect on the story. It's not needed to understand the plot.
• Then there's the part which says that Marty misses his meeting with Marcus Duncan, but the subsequent sentences suggest that the men did meet later on, so why bother mentioning that he missed the earlier appointment?
• Then there's this vague description: Marty furiously attempts to get revenge on Jason. How, exactly, does Marty try to get revenge?
• Marty tries one last attempt to get everyone on set, but everyone walks off on Marty, which leads to the downfall of his studio. It was already stated that Marty was fired, so why bother mentioning that he tried and failed to gather his film team?
• Jason receives credit for writing the original story, as his name is seen during the closing credits. Why is that last part needed?

In addition, why do readers need to know the name of Marty's previous film? Or the name of the wrestling move that is used on Marty at the end? Why does Mr. Funnybones need two introductions in the plot? Why is it essential to know that Marty calls himself "wolfy the clown"? Also, how is the trimmed version half plotted? It looks to me like all the major plot points are there, but with succinct descriptions, which is preferred. Of course it leaves out certain parts, but are those parts truly needed?  AJFU  (talk) 16:13, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

It has been a week and there have been no further reasons given for why any of these specific details (mentioned above) need to be here. I know you believe that the plot should "have as much as possible," but that is not the intention of Wikipedia. Only the main plot events need to be specified, and 700 words is usually the limit. Exceptions can be made, but I don't see why one would need to be made in this case. I have trimmed the plot down to 733 words.  AJFU  (talk) 16:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

(User:AJFU OK now I understand what you mean. I was only trying to help contribute, not vandalize the article. I now acknowledge your meaning. and by the way, some of the edits you mention (such as the one were Marty misses his appointment and Marty attempting to get revenge on Jason) where not made by me. those were already in the article for quite some time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:183:C602:4020:250B:E91F:9B73:377E (talk) 23:18, 16 August 2019 (UTC) '

(User:AJFU the part that says Marty tries to attempt to get everyone on set was because even though Marty was fired, Marty still tried to produce the film, insisting that they have a film to work on despite his firing. The name of Marty's previous film was not added by me, that was already in the article. Marty attempts to get revenge on Jason by yelling that he is going to get him and chases after him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:183:C602:4020:250B:E91F:9B73:377E (talk) 23:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Even if you didn't initially add such information, you keep restoring it, which is putting the plot over the recommended word limit. Just because the plot was overdetailed at one point does not mean it should stay that way.

• the part that says Marty tries to attempt to get everyone on set was because even though Marty was fired, Marty still tried to produce the film, insisting that they have a film to work on despite his firing. The bottom line is, he was fired. He may have tried briefly to gather everyone, but I don't see the point of mentioning this. By that time, it was over for him. I don't think this detail should be added back in.
• The name of Marty's previous film was not added by me, that was already in the article. Even so, why is it needed?
• Marty attempts to get revenge on Jason by yelling that he is going to get him and chases after him. That's a very brief scene, isn't it? It had no impact on the plot as I recall.  AJFU  (talk) 16:42, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

You say that you understand what I mean, but then why have you continued to expand the plot summary with unnecessary information? True, I haven't seen the film in some time, but the stuff you're adding seems expendable. You have restored several details which I questioned above (for example, this, this, this and this), and you haven't explained why they are necessary. And, again, it seems like you're using more words than necessary to describe basic scenes (here, here, here, here, here, here, etc.).  AJFU  (talk) 19:33, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

(user:AJFU) the name of Marty’s previous film is needed because in the beginning of the film, when Marty was in Jason’s town, he was there to film that movie. Marty’s previous film plays somewhat of a role in the movie. When Marcus Duncan brought up to Marty how his film failed, he mention the name of the film several times. That is why it is needed.

(user:AJFU) the scene where Marty is about to get revenge on Jason is added because it shows Marty’s reaction after Jason and his employees exposed him. In a way it is important because it is a connecting scene.

(user:AJFU) based on your actions, it seems that you have never seen this movie before. Me on the other hand, have seen this movie more than a thousand times. I suggest you should watch some clips so you can better understand. Not being rude, not trying to be ignorant, but you sound very confused, so that is why I think when you edit something, you should be 100% confident that your right. I hope you understand things from my point of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:183:C602:4020:5C51:5E8C:F734:9AD (talk) 03:18, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

the name of Marty’s previous film is needed because in the beginning of the film, when Marty was in Jason’s town, he was there to film that movie. That is not mentioned in the current plot summary. If Whitaker and Fowl was significant enough to mention throughout the plot summary, then yes, there would be good reason to mention it by name rather than simply calling it "Marty's previous film" over and over again. But his previous film only gets a single mention in the plot, hence why I don't understand why the name is truly needed. Being mentioned by name several times in the film does not mean that it has to be here in the plot summary.

the scene where Marty is about to get revenge on Jason is added because it shows Marty’s reaction after Jason and his employees exposed him. In a way it is important because it is a connecting scene. But you've removed the part where it says that Marty chases Jason, so now it's vague again as to how Marty attempts to get revenge.

based on your actions, it seems that you have never seen this movie before. As I wrote in my previous comment, I have not seen it in some time (a year and a half). You're right that I am confused, but it's in regard as to why so much detail and extra words are needed. I'll let this go for now until I have a chance to see the film again, but I'm still not convinced that we need this lengthy plot summary.  AJFU  (talk) 15:39, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

(User:AJFU) alright. All I said was that you should be 100% confident when you edit something. Also like I said, the revenge scene is a connecting scene.

Song

when wolf was in the messed up car what was the song playing —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenday21 (talk • contribs) 13:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah does anyone know the name of the song where frankie and amanda go shopping and put on clothes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.29.20 (talk) 04:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Appropriate

From the article - "He delivers a striking blow to Marty's family jewels."

Is this really encyclopedic?202.124.89.2 (talk) 09:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Sequel

There has been word of a sequel in the works, under the title Big Fat Liar 2, and it stars Ricky Garcia from Best Friends Whenever in the lead role. I think information like that should be included on here, for the purpose of being a redirect page until release.

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