Talk:Black stork

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The food items listed are those in the Collins Guide, need a source for claim by anon that they eat mainly fish. I would be surprised if large numbers of Black storks, as opposed to White, went through Gib. The Spanish population is mainly resident, and the rest mainly breed in eastern Europe. jimfbleak 16:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, BWP concise confirms fish, but only mentions the Bosphorus. The small Iberian population is at least partially resident. jimfbleak 16:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I would say that the map is incorrect given that the black stork does nest in Italy. --Cinclus 14:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

String of references without links

Someone from France has placed a string of references, clearly from the same group of researchers, to the end of this article without making any new text to support their use, in the article itself. This looks like self-promotion. It would be better to summarize the findings of the papers in a few sentences, or a new paragraph, if the discoveries of this group would contribute to the quality of the article. Remember that an encyclopedia is not meant to be an index of one research groups findings. There are scientific journals for that purpose. The readers do not need to be immersed in the finer details of Black Stork research.

If you can summarize the findings in the article, then making inline citations to one or two of the references, that would solve the problem. Just placing a long list of self-promoting sources is not allowed. If you would expand the article first with useful information, and then add references to back up the text, that would be different. Please see: Source_soliciting.

These were the references that had been stuck in a bunch to the end of the article, without making an effort to expand the text in the article:

1. Chevallier D., Baillon F., Robin J.-P., Le Maho Y. & Massemin-Challet S. 2008. Prey selection of the black stork in the African wintering area. Journal of Zoology, 276:276–284.
2. Chevallier D., Handrich Y., Georges J-Y., Brossault P., Baillon F., Aurouet A., Le Maho Y. & Massemin-Challet S. 2010. Influence of weather conditions on the flight characteristics of migrating Black storks (Ciconia nigra). Proceeding of the Royal Society in press.
3. Chevallier D., Le Maho Y., Baillon F., Aurouet A., Dieulin C., Brossault P., FrancLieu P., Lorgé P. & Massemin-Challet S. 2010. When human activity and the drying up of rivers determine abundance and spatial distribution in the Black stork. Birds study in press.
4. Chevallier D., Duponnois R., Brossault P., Baillon F., Lorgé P., Le Maho Y. & Massemin-Challet S. 2010. The importance of roosts for Black Storks Ciconia nigra wintering in West Africa. Ardea 98 (1): 91 - 96.
5. Chevallier D., Le Maho Y., Brossault P., Baillon F. & Massemin S. 2010. Strategic stopovers of the black stork (Ciconia nigra) in Europe and Africa revealed by satellite tracking. Journal of Ornithology, in press.
6. Jiguet F., Barbet-Massin M. & Chevallier D. 2010. Predictive distribution models applied to satellite tracks: modelling the western African winter range of European migrant black storks. Journal of Ornithology, in press.

This was a clear attempt at promoting own research. This is treated like SPAM. --Skol fir (talk) 17:51, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Um, thanks for at least keeping them here so someone can check them out though. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:37, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

The references that I listed were placed at the end of the article (thereby tagged with the suspicious label "text added at the end...") I took one look and saw the same name "Chevallier" in every one of the references, with no citation in the article linking to these refs. Either Msr. Chevallier wants to get our attention :: "Bonjour!" :: or one of his co-authors wants to get his name on the board. Maybe he was going to use this article as a source on his CV. Who knows? Anyway, I left the refs. in the Talk Page so others can maybe look at them and extract some useful information to include in the article. I like scientists. I am one myself! :-) --Skol fir (talk) 21:53, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

In the "Description" section, the wingspan of 145-155cm appears quite small (in comparison with white stork, grey heron...) Other sources (for example http://www.borealforest.org/world/birds/black_stork.htm) mention 185-205cm which looks more realistic. Can't access the mentioned Cramp 1977 reference to check, but suppose this to be a typo or erroneous info? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lchaerle (talk • contribs) 15:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Additional image

Looking at the gallery in Commons, I'd say the article would benefit from an image of an adult stork with some young ones. There are a couple of great shots on Commons, but I'm not sure as to where such an image should be positioned in the actual article. As things stand now there is hardly any space for another pic. Could someone knowledgeable on the topic assist on this? --Laveol ^T 00:28, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Black stork/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Parsecboy (talk · contribs) 19:29, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

I'll return the favor!

Prose/MoS:

• Recommend linking Wading bird, Bird migration, Cytochrome b

 Done Adityavagarwal (talk) 20:47, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

• The mdash in the intro isn't right - I'd recommend rewriting to something like "...pairs or small flocks, usually in marshy areas, rivers..."

 Done Good catch! Adityavagarwal (talk) 20:47, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

• "...construct nests, on..." - remove the comma there

 Done Adityavagarwal (talk) 20:47, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

• "...white shelled, eggs..." - same here

 Done Adityavagarwal (talk) 20:47, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

• "...and less rate of decline" - I think "low" would be better than "less"

 Done Adityavagarwal (talk) 20:47, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

• "... African black storks, by Wetlands International..." - another comma that needs to go

 Done Adityavagarwal (talk) 20:47, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

• I'd add Carl's first name to the link, rather than just piping to Linnaeus

 Done Now there is his full name, and his nationality too. Adityavagarwal (talk) 20:47, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

• In some places, I see serial commas, but not in others - best to standardize on one style.

 Done Ah, fixed that. Adityavagarwal (talk) 20:47, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

• "...and Bangladesh.[20] Although, certain populations..." - recommend merging these two sentences, since the "although" connects it to the previous thought

 Done merged them with a comma. Adityavagarwal (talk) 20:47, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

• This is as far as I got before I remembered to check Earwig's tool and saw the copyvio text - since the article needs to be rewritten, I'll hold off on doing any more reading for style until that's done.
• "...Sicily - Cap Bon..." - I believe this should be an n-dash, not a hyphen, same with "Bosphorus-Sinai-Nile" further down

 Done Yep. Adityavagarwal (talk) 17:47, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• "Many birds are fly around the Sahara..." - something is missing here

 Done Removed "are". Adityavagarwal (talk) 17:47, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• "...reuse them successive years." - a word is missing here

 Done "...reuse them in successive years." Adityavagarwal (talk) 17:47, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• "Fledging take" -> "Fledging takes"

 Done Adityavagarwal (talk) 17:48, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• Numerous duplicate links - User:Ucucha/duplinks is a handy script you can use to find these

 Done That was helpful. Would use it for other articles too. Thanks! Adityavagarwal (talk) 17:48, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• Watch WP:ENGVAR, the heading is "Behavior" but I see a "behaviour"

 Done Adityavagarwal (talk) 17:48, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Referencing:

• There are a couple of short cites to Cramp, but no full citation appears - since the rest of the citations use full length citations, these ought to be converted per WP:CITEVAR

I have included the cited text below the references section. Adityavagarwal (talk) 21:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

• Ran the article through earwig's tool here - substantial portions of the text are lifted from thainationalparks.com/species/black-stork, from before you started editing the article (in fact all the way back to the beginning of the article). The highlighted text needs to be substantially rewritten; once that's done, I can delete the old history of the article, an unfortunate necessity of the plagiarism.
• Some citations are missing information, for instance #20, which includes only a title, year, and publisher; many citations to books lack page numbers or chapter titles

I removed reference 20 and placed another one instead, as I was not able to view the article in google books or able to find it elsewhere. Also, I think now all the references are in the format. Adityavagarwal (talk) 17:47, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Coverage:

• Seems good to me, though I'm by no means an expert

Neutrality:

• No issues here

Stability:

• No issues either

Images:

• Images all check out, license-wise
• There is some text sandwiching going on, probably a result of the length of the infobox and the placement of the video. This isn't a problem for GA

The biggest issue I've identified is the copyright violation - this needs to be fixed first before the review can proceed. Parsecboy (talk) 19:29, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks a lot to pick it up for the review! Yeah, I had the same concern when I checked its copyvio status before nominating it for a review. It seems to me like thainationalpark is a wiki mirror. If you scroll down in the website, you could see "This article uses material from the Wikipedia released under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike Licence 3.0. Please see license details for photos in photo by-lines." written. Adityavagarwal (talk) 20:32, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

• I am bemused by that as I had written some of the taxonomy section many years ago. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:12, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Cas! It seems to me like thainationalparks is a wiki mirror as everything from thainational parks seem to be almost exactly in the article. Also, the website states that it uses some of the material (looks like it used everything instead of some :P) from wikipedia. What do you think? Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:19, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

This is not uncommon. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:22, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Ah, you're quite right - I had forgotten to look at which came first. Parsecboy (talk) 14:56, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

OK, I think the article is in good shape now, so I'm happy to pass for GA. Great work! Parsecboy (talk) 18:11, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Referencing:

• Please check on WT:BIRD if needed but http://www.prothom-alo.com/bangladesh/article/807409/কালো-মানিকজোড় would not be considered a reliable source for bird distributions. Shyamal (talk) 02:17, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for you input. It is greatly appreciated! I reworded it a bit, and the book cites about tropical Asia and Africa, so I removed this reference. Adityavagarwal (talk) 13:02, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Grammar

• There's a log of switching back and forth from singular to plural references (it vs they), sometimes in the same paragraph. Pick one or the other and stick to it! MeegsC (talk) 13:27, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch for your inputs! Hopefully, it is resolved now. Could you have a look at it? Thanks again. Adityavagarwal (talk) 13:45, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

More referencing

• A tour company's online itinerary? What makes NatureTrek a reliable source? MeegsC (talk) 14:04, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Replaced. Could you have a look again? Thanks! Adityavagarwal (talk) 16:57, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Bookmarks

[1], [2], [3], [4], [5] Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:12, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Uncited addition

@Casliber and Adityavagarwal: What an exceedingly fine article. I was checking it over prior to its TFA on 28 May and noticed that there was an addition which was uncited: "Further south, Lake Faguibine in Mali is another stopover point but it has been affected by drought in recent years." I don't know enough to judge the accuracy or importance of this claim, but assume that you will. In which case I would be grateful if you could cite or delete it. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:10, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Someone switched the sentences. The ref covers all three actually but someone moved the sentences. fixed now with commented out note explaining Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:52, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your concern Gog the Mild, and thank you very much Casliber for rectifying it! Adityavagarwal (talk) 15:03, 10 May 2019 (UTC)