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Latest comment: 4 years ago by Kyle Peake in topic GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 05:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)Reply


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Criteria: 1a. prose ( ) 1b. MoS ( ) 2a. ref layout ( ) 2b. cites WP:RS ( ) 2c. no WP:OR ( ) 2d. no WP:CV ( )
3a. broadness ( ) 3b. focus ( ) 4. neutral ( ) 5. stable ( ) 6a. free or tagged images ( ) 6b. pics relevant ( )
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked   are unassessed

On first glance, this article looks alright and does have a number of unsourced claims but they are not sentences plus they are not any citation failed tags, so this does not get quick failed for sure! --K. Peake 05:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

Infobox and lead

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Production and songs

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  • Retitle to Themes and lyrics
  • The first two paragraphs of this should be in a different section titled Background and development, which will come before the retitled one in this order
  • "Members of the band 10,000 Maniacs were, at the time of the album's release, singer-songwriter" → "At the time of Blind Man's Zoo being released, the members of 10,000 Maniacs were; American singer-songwriter"
  • [1] should only be invoked at the end of the paragraph since it backs up every single sentence of this one
  • "Christian Burial Music; followed by an LP titled The Wishing Chair after signing contract" → "Christian Burial Music. The releases were followed by 10,000 Maniac's second studio album The Wishing Chair, after they signed a contract"
  • "In My Tribe, released in July 1987, became modestly successful," → "In My Tribe was released in July 1987 and became modestly successful,"
  • "was recorded in" → "was recorded at"
  • "The ballad "Trouble Me" (track four), the album's first track to be released as a single, was co-written" → "The ballad "Trouble Me", which is the fourth track, was written" with the target since the single info is irrelevant for this area; I will tell you where to place it instead though
  • George Ho Even though you have since changed part of this sentence, some of the prose I requested for it like not putting (track four) are yet to be fixed; I have noticed at other points in the article, so please make sure you are looking at everything properly. --K. Peake 20:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • "Dennis Drew and Natalie Merchant for Merchant's father," → "Drew and Merchant for the latter's father,"
  • "provided the background vocals" → "provides background vocals"
  • "Other songs on the album" → "Numerous songs on Blind Man's Zoo
  • "who is five-months pregnant." → "that is five-months pregnant."
  • "did not intend the song" → "did not intend for the song"
  • "Rob Buck played the guitar" → "Buck played the guitar"
  • "the song; Jerome Augustyniak, percussion." → "the song, while percussion was performed by Augustyniak."
  • Remove the singles sentence from here
  • "The second track, "Please Forgive Us"," → "The album's second track, "Please Forgive Us"," and this belongs in the above para instead
  • [4] should solely be at the end of the sentence before [7]
  • [1] should solely be at the end of the sentence before [2]
  • "The seventh track "Poison in the Well" concerns" → "The seventh track, "Poison in the Well", concerns"
  • [1] should solely be at the end of the sentence before [4]
  • "is about the working class." → "is about the working class, centering around the plight of them."
  • "The tenth track "Hateful Hate" concerns" → ""Hateful Hate", the tenth track of Blind Man's Zoo, concerns"
  • "and racial tensions" → "as well as racial tensions"
  • "The final track "Jubilee" is" → "The final track, "Jubilee", is"
  • [3] should solely be at the end of the sentence before [7]
  • "and concerns a racist" → "and is about a racist"
  • "a dance hall in which he had" → "a dance hall, in which he had"
  • The music videos para should not be in this section
  • "Music videos of "Eat for Two," "Trouble Me," "You Happy Puppet," "Dust Bowl,"" → "Music videos for "Eat for Two", "Trouble Me", "You Happy Puppet", "Dust Bowl"," with the wikilink
  • "were released in a" → "were included on the"
  • [8] should solely be at the end of the sentence
  • Add ref(s) to back up the re-release info
  • "bonus music videos from the band's" → "bonus videos from the band's 1993"
  • "in which the band" → "during which they"

Release and promotion

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  • Create this section directly after Themes and lyrics, starting a sentence stating the release date of the album
  • The singles info from the previous sections belongs here, as does the music videos info and add more if you can like the proper release dates
  • Still make the prose changes I suggested for the content proposed to be moved, though I may suggest further changes after you have created this section
  • After checking the DVD re-release's tracklist (via Amazon), I eliminated one unverifiable clause and rewrote the other clause as independent sentence. I can't be too sure whether an inline citation or a secondary source is needed when the live album MTV Unplugged is already used as a source. --George Ho (talk) 00:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

Reception

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  • Retitle to Critical reception
  • Refs in the ratings template should be invoked after the scores instead of the sources
  • Add "Blind Man's Zoo was met with mixed to positive reviews from music critics" as the opening sentence with the target
  • "said the track "Trouble Me" is "the most uplifting"" → "said "Trouble Me" is "the most uplifting track"" if that is what the source directly says; elsewise, put [track]
  • "called the album the band's" → "called the album 10,000 Maniac's"
  • "Spin journalist Jonathan Van Meter considered" → "Spin journalist, Jonathan Van Meter considered"
  • "Rob Buck's guitar performance" → "Buck's guitar performance"
  • "also called the "Jubilee"" → "further called "Jubilee""
  • "Allmusic reviewer Chris Woodstra rated the album three-and-a-half stars out of five, considering it" → "AllMusic reviewer Chris Woodstra considered the album"
  • Remove wikilink on In My Tribe
  • "[the album] ultimately" → "[Blind Man's Zoo] ultimately"
  • For this review, don't have the star rating written out in prose and instead quote the review here
  • Do the same for the following Rolling Stone review and the only Robert Christgau in this article
  • "Another Rolling Stone reviewer J.D. Considine rated it three out of five and wrote that" → "J.D. Considine, reviewing for the same publication, wrote that"
  • The certifications info belongs in Commercial performance instead
  • "was certified Gold (500,000 units) on July 11, 1989 and then Platinum (1,000,000 units)" → "was certified gold for selling 500,000 units in the US on July 11, 1989 and then platinum for sales of 1,000,000 units in the country"
  • [14] should solely be at the end of the sentence before [15] and should use a refname from the cert table
  • "it the band's fourth album to be certified Platinum." → "it 10,000 Maniac's fourth album to achieve the certification."

Chart performance

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  • Retitle to Commercial performance
  • "In the United States, Blind Man's Zoo reached number 13 in the Billboard Top 200 chart" → "In the US, Blind Man's Zoo reached number 13 on the Billboard 200"
  • [16] is the correct ref but this should be using a refname from the chart table and place solely at the end of the sentence before [17]
  • Add the RIAA certification directly after this
  • "at number 18 in" → "at number 18 on"
  • [18] should solely be at the end of the sentence before [19]
  • Write about the BPI certification for the following sentence
  • "In the Billboard charts," → "On the US charts,"
  • "number 20 in the" → "number 20 at the"
  • Target should be solely on Mainstream Rock
  • "number three in the" → "number 3 on the" per MOS:NUM
  • Target should be solely on Modern Rock Tracks
  • "and number seven in the" → "and number 7 on the"
  • Target should be solely on Adult Contemporary
  • "reached number 77 in the" → "reached number 77 on the"
  • [18] should solely be at the end of the sentence before [24]
  • The last para should be part of the second instead
  • "reached number 12 in" → "reached number 12 on"
  • [18][21] should solely be at the end of the sentence before [25]

Track listing

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  • This should be laid out with the template that is usually used for track listings, though still keep the sides separated
  • The writers note is pointless since more than five had multiple writers and when this is in the template, list the writer(s) for every song
  • A source is required for the credits

Personnel

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  • A source is required here
  • Use the div col template for separation
  • Any specific order here?

Charts

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  • Remove album header
  • See MOS:TABLECAPTION
  • This should be cited as a normal chart table with the chart history templates; this can be used for citing the US refname I referenced in this review
  • Remove the singles charts

Certifications

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  • Cite as a normal certifications table; see Template:Certification Table Entry if you are unsure how to
  • See MOS:TABLECAPTION
  • Add the UK certification by BPI
  • The gold and platinum certifications are not both needed, only cite the platinum one here
  • The platinum certification here can be used for the refname I referenced earlier in the review

References

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  • Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
  • Copyvio score looks slick at 9.1%!
  • Some of these are missing publisher/website and accessdates; give these to any sources that can have them added, i.e not the likes of the cassette and CD ones
  • Target Timothy White to Timothy White (writer) on ref 2 and target Spin to Spin (magazine)
  • Target Elektra to Elektra Records on ref 5
  • Target People to People (magazine) on ref 7
  • Cite Thomas Gale as the author for ref 8 and remove him from publisher, placing his surname before forename for consistency
  • Allmusic → AllMusic on ref 9 with the wikilink
  • Wikilink Chicago Tribune on ref 10
  • Wikilink The New Rolling Stone Album Guide on ref 13
  • Target Billboard to Billboard (magazine) on ref 15
  • Solely cite Official Charts Company for ref 18 with the wikilink, as publisher
  • Ditto for refs 19, 24 and 25 but with no wikilinking
  • Ref 21's title appears to have not been filled in properly
  • David Roberts' name is ordered incorrectly on ref 26 and target Guinness World Records Limited to Guinness World Records

Final comments and verdict

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  •   On hold even though the article is not too well crafted currently, I have confidence that you can fix these issues in a week and if I have not estimated properly then this may end up being failed. --K. Peake 13:00, 2 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • ✗ Fail for this article now since not only has it been over a week and you have not fixed the large amount of issues in time, but I have made comments to you directly days ago that you have not responded to at all. --K. Peake 05:39, 13 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
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