Talk:Bob Lambert (undercover police officer)

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He's a real arse... the evidence: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02c9mf9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.75.149.57 (talk) 03:56, 27 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

Rename the article

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I don't think the (academic) suffix is appropriate considering that most of the article doesn't deal with his academic activities. How about Bob Lambert (police officer)? AadaamS (talk) 16:54, 14 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

The problem is that he is no longer a police officer -- he's an academic. There's probably a guideline on this sort of issue... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:08, 14 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
Indeed there is a WP:QUALIFIER guideline for adding qualifiers, it says The disambiguator is usually a noun indicating what the person is noted for being in his or her own right.. Imho he seems a lot more noted for policework than academia. AadaamS (talk) 20:26, 14 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
Okay, fair enough, I suppose. I do worry a bit that people who look only at the title will gain the impression he is still a police officer. But I see the point you're making. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:42, 15 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 17 April 2015

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Moved to Bob Lambert (undercover police officer). bd2412 T 19:19, 25 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

Bob Lambert (academic)Bob Lambert (police officer) – Although he retired in 2008 and later became an academic, he served as a police officer for 31 years and it is as a police officer that he is best-known. He would probably not have an article on the strength of his status as an academic. Previous attempts at moving have been reverted with the comment that it's what he is now that's important, but I disagree. The best disambiguator is what he is best-known for and what readers might know him for. The main opposer of the move seems to have conceded in the discussion above that the proposed name is reasonable. I don't think the concern that people may think he was still a police officer is valid. That's not what disambiguation is for. After all, we don't use the disambiguators "(dead)" or "(retired)" to indicate that people aren't still functioning in the roles they are known for! We disambiguate them as if they were still alive or still working, so I don't see why we need to point out he's changed professions. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:13, 17 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

Robert Lambert ... is a British academic and former undercover police officer.
Suggest Bob Lambert (former undercover police officer). Bob Lambert (undercover police officer and lecturer) or Bob Lambert (former undercover police officer and lecturer) is more descriptive though, considering history, maybe arguably not greatly deserved. Per academic profiles at st andrews and london metropolitan university presenting Robert ... Lambert as a lecturer and as per protest content such as Sack Bob Lambert. GregKaye 09:11, 18 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
Ping Necrothesp, Keri, BarrelProof, AadaamS, 73.222.28.191 GregKaye 09:24, 18 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
Please note that the web sites at universities where he is employed are primary self-published sources. On Wikipedia, we generally try to pay more attention to sources that are objective and unaffiliated with the subject of the article that discuss the topic in detail. Basically, I don't think we should base much of our characterization of a person on the self-portrayal that is promoted by themselves and their employer. —BarrelProof (talk) 15:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
@GregKaye:, if you want to include lecturer you have to find WP:RS to WP:V verify that he's notable as a lecturer. As BarrelProof has already stated, WP:SPS sources can be used for some things but they can't be used to verify notability. Only WP:RS can do that. So, which secondary sources do you think verify that he's notable as a lecturer? AadaamS (talk) 16:56, 18 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
True we typically cut things to a minimum even thought there might have been useful information we might present. GregKaye 20:25, 19 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • Support per nom, only as proposed. "Former" is bad practice, and per WP:D, disambiguators should be concise and non-unique, which many of the other alternatives suggested here badly fail. --BDD (talk) 16:57, 1 May 2015 (UTC)Reply
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