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Bob Marley as a Vegetarian

As most Rastas practice a diet forgoing meat, which is known as Ital, Bob Marley was a vegetarian [1]. Another source that can be referenced in Bob Marley's Wikipedia page is a book titled, What Is Hinduism?: Modern Adventures Into a Profound Global Faith [2] by Editors of Hinduism Today. The text includes Bob Marley as an advocate of a vegetarian diet.

So, what I am getting to is that, Where does the information, that Marley is a vegetarian, belong? --Christopher Bueker (talk) 02:42, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps in the private life section but there isn't one so perhasps in the religion section as a sub section as it could be connected but is there a citation.. if it is cited add it in your opinion the best place and lets see..regards. Off2riorob (talk) 02:49, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Trey Yoder?

In 'Early Life and Career', someone's put the sentence "Bob Marley's best friend is Trey Yoder." right at the beginning of the section. This needs to be removed. 75.7.6.135 (talk) 01:19, 12 December 2009 (UTC) true dat, Trey Yoder was not Bob's friend

Norval Marley

See [[3]] NickTheKayak (talk) 15:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I can't edit the page as I'm a new user. NickTheKayak (talk) 23:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah! Thanks. I didn't notice it was semi-protected. :/ --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 00:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you phrase the change as you'd like it, and I'll add it with your name in the edit summary for attribution? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 00:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi been reading the articles on Nesta Robert 'Bob' Marley. I would like to say that his father was English, not Jamacian of English decent, but pure blood English Born and Breed, serving at the time in the British army and was on tour in Jamacia. At the time of Nesta Roberts Birth, his father left Jamacia, never to have any contact with his child again. I have source this information from several biographies that I have in my collection. [SF]

The Marley family originated in Syria, they were Syrian Jews that relocated to England and then Jamaica, thats a fact.

Are you sre about that? I thought the Marley lineage went back to the Anglo-Norman nobility. If it had originated in Syria, it must have been at the time of the Crusades. Any sources? Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 12:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Insect Rumor

Is there any truth to the rumor that, during his post-mortem, around 40 different species of dylons were discovered in his hair? I have been unable to locate any reliable source for this... -Grammaticus Repairo 06:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

As he washed his hair just as much as anyone else I can't see why he would have a lot of instects crawling around in his hair. Also, he lost all his dreadlocks due to the cancer treatment long before he died. Teklund 08:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I very much doubt that rumor can possibly be true, his hair isn't "special" enough to be considered(in a insect's point-of-view)a natural habitat, seriously think about it.--Andres Flores 05:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

While I don't dispute your opinions, I should add that I didn't mean to imply in my initial post that the insects to which I was referring were still-living creatures that had taken up permanent residence in his locks. I suppose that I was thinking of something more like the front-grille of a car, if you will pardon the comparison. I admit, it is rather exxagerated, though not completely outside the realm of possibility. -Grammaticus Repairo 01:54, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Bob was bald at the time of his death due to his cancer treatment that he had so this rumor is obviously false. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Welsh4360 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

why would he have been bald when he died. if he belived in "keeping the body whole"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rastifreeme136 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Can we seriously think about how even discussing this idiotic rumor is racist? Grammaticus Repairo is a complete fool if he couldn't see through that crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.146.156.203 (talk) 15:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Frnakly, let's all calm the heck down. No one needs to be throwing around accusations of racism and idiocy. It's uncivil, and it will get you blocked. What needs to start happening is that citations need to be referenced. Nothing potentially contentious going into the article without citation - its why it was semi-protected in the first place; too many people adding rumour as fact. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 13:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Bob Marley was not bald when he died. He did not receive traditional cancer treatment (chemotherapy), as he opted for a non-invasive cancer treatment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asdf1098 (talk • contribs) 08:13, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

FALSE. he was bald —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dickle tickle (talk • contribs) 23:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Sign

Why is the 'collabo of the week' sign placed at the top of the article? It seems out of place there. Has anyone ever considered putting it on the talk page? Orane (talk • cont.) 01:18, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, many other collaborations put their signs right on the main section. The best reason i've seen for it is that it helps to tell readers to expect even more content changes than usual, though I have to admit, these days, I am the only one who seems to ask questions about articles, and our collaboration isn't exactly very good yet unfortunently.... Homestarmy 03:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Early life and Studio One

Many people fail to realize how important Coxsone Dodd and Studio One was perhaps for Bob Marley as he was growing up. Many artists, inparticularly Bob Marley, were said to practically live in Studio One. I feel that this article should empatize this more strongly, and indeed give a bit more credit to Studio One. the--dud 15:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Bob marley has also been to mars as one of the first men there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.17.73.184 (talk) 23:42, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

People are much more aware of Coxsone Dodd's influnece since his own death. TV Genius 15:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Important moment: shooting in 1976

As mentioned in this talk page, Bob Marley was shot back in 1976. This has been said to have been an incredibly important moment in his life. It also contributed to his fame and legendary stature. Most importantly so because that the contemporaries were expecting him to come back from recording sessions in London with a record filled with anger and hatred. But Exodus turned out to be an optimistic album filled with love and thoughts of peace. This is one of the absolutely great moments of Bob Marley and his life. The political environment at the time in Jamaica were absolutely explosive, and Marley contributed largely to cooling it down. If he had perhaps made a hate-record instead nonone of course know how the history of Jamaica might have been... Few artists could have done the same. This period could well do with it's own subsection in the article I feel... (This incident is described very well in the booklet of the "Deluxe Edition" and "pie taste Great: of Exodus released by Universal Music in 2002) the--dud 15:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I fully agree. Given his cancer diagnosis and health issues that year it is even more extraordinary that Exodus, Kaya (recorded at the same time) and his last 3 albums (inc Confrontation) were so positive but that legacy has ensured a place for Marley in history in a way that mere negativity and resentment could never have done. Please edit the article, Dud. TV Genius 15:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

• • This article doesn't mention him getting shot at all, apparantly he played a concert a few days after been shot, I think this shoting should be put in this article --McNoddy (talk) 08:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

On December 3 of 1976, an assassination attempt was made on Bob Marley, his wife and the managers of the Wailers to keep him from playing at the Smile Jamaica concert in Kingston. His concert was scheduled for December 5 after a presidential candidate’s election rally, a presidential candidate who happened to be at odds with the US. Some people believe that the assassination attempt was executed by the US government, for fear that Marley’s performance would sway the vote. Despite receiving two gun shot wounds, Bob Marley performed anyway and then left for the UK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arauna (talk • contribs) 21:18, 13 June 2008 (UTC) “People too often forget that one of Bob Marley’s greatest characteristics was an infectious, uncomplicated sense of fun.” This quote is from Dennis Morris in Lloyd Bradley's book This is Reggae Music.

The Wailers

I would like to question why 1)References to Peter Tosh are not links to his wikipedia file and 2) Why Peter's contribution to Bob Marley's musical career is not documented here more fully. For example Marley didn't know how to play the guitar until Tosh taught him. Tosh also co wrote many of "Marley's" greater hits such as Trench Town Rock, Stir it Up and Get up Stand up. A little recognition would be nice. At the very least give reference to his page. Becki R. 69.215.104.4 23:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)Becki R.

Peter Tosh is linked to his page in the paragraph above the Wailers. If you can reference that Tosh taught Marley the guitar please put it in the article. El Rojo 01:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC) 2007 UTC There are so many questions what we don't knowbut were cute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.123.96 (talk) 13:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Will nominate for FA

I am going to nominate Bob Marley for featured article. I feel kinda shamed that Bob Marley ain't featured, don't you? Need to copyedit it first though. --Ezeu 02:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I did a bit of copyediting. Sorry it took so much time and so many minor edits. I'm done for the night. I apologize for any edit conflicts this may have caused, as I am obsessive and afraid of typing a lot without saving. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 04:58, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice. You did more in 30 minutes than we managed during the Improvement Drive. This article has come a long way. Besides a couple of unsourced statements to straighten out, this is surely a FA candidate.--Ezeu 05:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I have nominated Bob Marley for Featured article. --Ezeu 05:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Go to Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates#Bob_Marley and give your support. --Ezeu 06:31, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I shouldnt have. It is clear by the comments that the article is far from ready for FA. --Ezeu 01:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Well no harm trying, I personally feel it's lacks detail, SqueakBox 01:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes i feel ashamed because is a internationally known star that was also influenced people internationally.--Venturam (talk) 07:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't focus on that. Focus on the article; it isn't The Man, keeping Marley down - it's our fault, not focusing our attention on getting the article to fulfill FA criteria via Peer Review, etc. Sometimes, we are too close to a subject to see its flaws. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 14:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Posthumous reputation additions

david is asome and is a gangster reference: http://bbc.dracos.co.uk/?page=/1/hi/entertainment/5285368.stm

article includes image...

Bazzel 21:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Rumours

Removed this part because it's uncited:

Marley may have seen medical doctors as samfai, confidence men who cheat the gullible by pretending to have the power of witchcraft . He finally agreed to undergo minor surgery to excise the cancer, which was kept secret from the public .

Never heard about this before, someone may want to research it. KZF 18:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC) < a random fan of BM> i'd just like to add that bob marley was actually buried with his red stratocaster, a soccer ball, and a bud of marijuana. thank you, that is all.

Prophet

The following exerpt from the article urgently needs technical correction, primarily of its spelling, yet for some mysterious reason fails to appear under the editing section of the article:

Bob Marley was a prophet named by many, white, Jamaican, black, Mexican, and other races. He is an idol for many. Many people have followed or had tried to follow in his footsteps. On top of all of this he smoked so much weed (marijuana). Marijuana was considered to be the wisdom plant of Jamaica. Many would use this plant for spiritual uses and meditation. Bob Marley how ever used it, as i believe, for relaxation and this triggered his intellectual mind to incorporate his thoughts into music which made him very very popular with many communities.

Ack! What a terrible series of statements - not a single citation there. If its in the article, it will be shot like the rogue pack of dogs they are. Domesticate them with citations or sned them to Uncited Statements Heaven. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 14:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Bob's albums

What are the best albums of Bob Marley? Pooter-the-clown 08:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Kaya according to my colleague, I think Confrontation and the Lee Perry recordings from 1970, SqueakBox 18:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't know about the album, but the best song is always the one currently playing. --Ezeu 03:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Exodus & survival in my opinion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 420bonghits (talk • contribs) 17:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I've always been partial to Natty Dread and Burnin'

CambridgeLion (talk) 00:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Persistent ant Manley vandal

"Bob Marley received only minor injuries in the chest and arm. The shooting was thought to have been politically motivated, as many felt the concert was really a support rally for Manley", a mal intentioned user keeps changing Manley to Marley, can we keep an eye on this insidious vandalsim [please as it keep slipping through our vandalism patrol of this article, SqueakBox 16:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

BOB MARLEY WAS BEAST —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.198.227.179 (talk) 17:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Small cleanup done

Found this

marti gras is my favorite holiday

at end of "Musical Career"; not quite sure why it was there... MonstaPro 16:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

also edited the copy of "Death and posthumous reputation" MonstaPro 16:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

It was vandalism, SqueakBox 16:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Bob Marley's Children

The article mentions 13 children but lists only 12. Who is the 13th? (65.95.97.117 16:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC) barbara)

I didn't want to delete the statement because I think it is humorous. After the post of Bob Marley's children, something says "How could this be if he died on May 11th?" in reference to Makeda Marley who was born on May 30, 1981. I'm pretty sure babies are conceived well before they are born...possibly 9 months? So in response, it is very possible that Makeda is Bob's child.

It says he has 17 kids then list 16 why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.44 (talk) 11:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

There are other children listed on his official site www.bobmarley.com. Cedella Marley and Julian Marley are omitted in this article, but are listed on his site. Does anyone know where the other children's names originated?

Bob's mom Cedella says there are 2 girls and 7 boys on this site http://www.classical-reggae-interviews.org/cb-4.htm.

Who really knows but just cos we dont mention all 17 doesnt mean they dont exist, SqueakBox 16:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Currently, the article says he's got 17, accounts for thirteen (claiming thirteen is all-inclusive), and lists fourteen. What's the deal? Spinnick597 00:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• Why does this article omit Cedella Marley? (born in Kingston, Jamaica on August 23, 1967) she is Bob and Rita's first child together [[4]]--71.168.49.132 (talk) 04:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)--71.168.49.132 (talk) 04:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

In Bob's biography 'Catch A Fire' it says that really we don't know exactly how many children he had —Preceding unsigned comment added by Estherlaser (talk • contribs) 21:02, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Protection?

This page has been subject to frequent and persistent vandalism ever since I started watching it.

I fully realize that anonymous cretins vandalizing articles are a normal part of the Wikipedia environment. I also understand that we are supposed to be generous with our time and tolerate them, on the remote chance that someone who doesn't take the trouble to register a user name just might, nonetheless, have something of value to contribute. However, this particular article seems - for reasons I admit I don't fully understand - to act as a magnet for the crass and puerile. Is there not a very strong case for semi-protecting the article? It wouldn't eliminate the problem entirely, but it would surely reduce it to reasonable proportions. --Stephen Burnett 19:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• Agreed, SqueakBox 19:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• I agree as well. I've semi-protected it. --Ezeu 19:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Many thanks! --Stephen Burnett 19:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I imagine its the cannabis that makes for such a lot of vandalism, it always happens at cannabis when that article is not semi-protected, and it seems to obsess a lot of young people who are the major group of vandals at wikipedia, SqueakBox 19:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• Hmmm, I always thought cannabis was supposed to make people much more laid back and relaxed - maybe they aren't getting enough. --Stephen Burnett 19:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello. What is happening to the list of children? Is that what you mean by vandalism? You folks are saying 16? 17? Today, it says he has 13, then only 12 are listed. Cannabis... OK, it depends on your original mood, doesn't it? Some people get laid-back, some get paranoid, some get busy cleaning up or writing poetry or observing every plant in the garden. There are some young boys in my neighborhood --Echo Park,LA-- who get high and then spray the side of the building. I wouldn't mind if they would be more artistic about it... 3/9/07 Anne Brace

Contradictions in outlook

Perhaps there should be a section to focus on the contradictions he expressed. For example, his comment "Me don't dip on the black man's side nor the white man's side", yet he was a Rastafarian, hardly a religion of racial neutrality.

194.46.172.36 23:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I dont agree, and certainly no contradiction for us as an encyclopedia to worry about, SqueakBox 23:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

An encyclopedia is about facts not about outlook. 76.19.173.43 07:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

You should listen to his song "Bob Marley - Survival (Black Survivor)"!!!!!!!!!!!!--92.228.95.89 (talk) 22:20, 18 April 2009 (UTC)Caid

Indeed, and describing Rastafari as "hardly a religion of racial neutrality" is not backed up by the facts (except pre-1960), SqueakBox 16:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

No point in making a section based on a stereotype. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.142.160.29 (talk) 02:46, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Death and posthumous reputation

In the section Death and posthumous reputation, there is a reference to "Prince Asfa Wossen of Ethiopia (eldest son of H.I.M)".

I believe this is a reference to Crown Prince Asfaw Wossen, which gets redirected by wikipedia to Amha Selassie of Ethiopia (should be linked), eldest son of Haile Selassie I of Ethiopia (should be linked). I would drop the honorific title "His Imperial Majesty", which I found puzzling as a stand-alone abbreviation.

Djh25 14:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

HIM is a common name for Selassie, SqueakBox 16:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Although you state that HIM is a common abbreviation for Selassie (which I don't doubt) Wikipedia makes no mention of this, and in fact uses HIM in the article on Selassie e.g. "HIM Asfaw Wossen" to refer to other His Imperial Majesties. Any way, I guess it doesn't matter now as the whole article has been shortened, making the point moot. Djh25 01:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Marley's estate

Would it be a good idea to add a section on what happened to Bob Marley's estate? I think his widow manages it and all his children receive a benefit from it. - Kittybrewster 14:23, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

It is rumored that On July 24th 2007, a tourist, visiting the Marley Mausoleum, was responsible for burning it to a crisp. The fire was started by a candle that ignited the tour guides shaw. Then an unknown tourist directed the attention of the crowd toward the ceiling. By the time the crowd looked down, it was too late and everyone was forced to evacuate. Ten minutes later, there was nothing left except some rubble.

• • • I'd like to see a second source and photos of this.***

Protection again

Someone saw fit to remove the protection on the page (see "Protection" above), saying it had been protected "long enough". Now the cretins are back, and the vandalism level will obviously return to its previous levels.

The reason the protection was put there in the first place was that the number of constructive edits by anon users was vastly outnumbered by those which were vandalism. If this argument was good enough then, it is still good now, and I suggest that the protection be reinstated. --Stephen Burnett 11:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

<a Random Person> i'd like to add that bob marley was ACTUALLY buried with his red stratocaster guitar, a soccer ball, and a quarter ounce bud of Marijuana. thank you, that is all.

Issue with Introduction

Hey, I was reading this and noticed that in the introduction it says "and one of his most famous love songs, One Love," however One Love is hardly a love song. It is more a religious anthem, encouraging believers to be patient through hard times and sinners to be weary of God. --67.171.167.180 05:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Religion

Actually, Bob Marley's father was born in Syria. They were Syrian Jews that relocated to England and then Jamaica where his father met Cedella Malcolm Marley Booker, Bob Marleys mother. Bob didn't see his father that much so he wasn't raised jewish. The relgious section of the article, at the end, is very vague. Initially we are told that Marley was ambiguously Rastafarian, and then that he converted to a strange Christian church months before his death. What was the nature of that church? Why did he convert? Obviously, one can only answer these questions to a limited extent. However, I have heard that Marley converted to a canonical Orthodox church, and not the Zion Coptics. Previously, he had been a member of the Twelve Tribes of Israel sect of Rastafarians. See http://jbburnett.com/resources/redington_rasta.pdf, page 7, under "Raggae." I don't know. There is no source in this section. --Anacreon 23:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC) 216.161.152.224 06:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)Yeah,we should have more on his conversion.Does anyone know where this information came from?Maybe if you check the official Bob Marley site it'll say something.216.161.152.224 06:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Greetings. The Coptics are also considered Orthodox(Christian), related to the Armenian, Greek, Serbian, Russian, and Egyptian Christian Orthodox churches. Way back, the Christian church System split into the Catholic church and the Orthodox. The most ancient "illuminated" (gorgeously illustrated, with gold paint) Christian religious texts came from Ethiopia. And the prophet (is that the right term?)of the Rastfarians is Haile Salassie (sp?), the past emperor of Ethiopia (who was from a very ancient lineage of legendary kings and queens). Salassie's words are the lyrics of one of Marley's best songs... Anne Brace 3/9/07 (Can't find the tildes!!!)

There was an extended "conversation" about this last year that seems to have been deleted from the talk page. Several people had tried to add more about Marley's apparent conversion to (some sort of) Christianity at the end of his life, but a member with a clearly anti-Christian agenda was rolling back these changes, calling them POV violations. If someone wants to flesh out the Religion section, there's quite a bit to be found on Google about his pre- and post-baptism beliefs, conversion story, etc. As Marley was seen as an icon of Rastafarianism, it's easy to understand why any commentary about a sudden conversion would upset a lot of people. Marley's own comments sound like he did indeed convert, but it's a bit of a hot potato. --Cromas 09:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I can't find any credible sources that are neutral which confirm Marley's conversion, so until then I will delete it. If someone can find a credible source then please revert it. Btw Arch Bishop Yesehaq's claims are not reliable sources, neither are gospel websites etc, it has to be a neutral credible source, i.e a bbc report (just as an example).Pubuman 05:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I doubt this whole conversion thing myself, too. For one thing, he was strongly into Rastafarianism. It's hard enough to convert people who don't know *what* they believe, or are agnostic, much *less* someone extremely strong and set in what they believe, like he was. This is as off as a major priest, though I hesitate to say the pope, converting. As for actual evidence here? Bob Marley died of cancer. He probably could've lived if he had gone through a minor amputation, which he refused to do for *religious views*. Last I checked, Christianity doesn't have anything against amputations, especially if it saves your life. Especially not to the extent he was against it. If he was a Christian then he should've been able to avoid the cancer spreading, because he would've gotten the amputation. So for the page, I think this mention of him converting should be removed. -- Aristobulus 03:10 AM, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually the agenda pushing is by anti-Rasta cultists (Christafarians?) and not by anti-Christians. The usddenconversion as presented in the aerticle was a classic piece of original research which has no mainstream acceptance and therefore its inclusion here as if it did have mainstream acceptance is POPV psuhing by those carrying the banner of Christianity. Whoever is doing it is very persistent but we are not here to pronmoter people's POV agendas etc. What is particularly disconcerting is the original research claim that Marley renounced Selassie I as God when being baptised into the EOC, no evidence is offered on that one. While I agree that Christians have nothing against amputation it may well not have saved his life anyway, cancer is very tricky, SqueakBox 17:54, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Someone has apparently added the tale of him being converted to Christianity in 1980. But the source given as confirmation doesn't have any mention of this! If you can't find a non-biased source confirming this strange tale, quit putting it up on Wikipedia. It's dishonest. Comolaflores (talk) 23:59, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Well spotted, he certainly wasn't a born again Christian from having been baptised into the EOC. Thanks, SqueakBox 01:28, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Those who have a vested interest in Bob Marley's alleged conversion to Christianity -- it doesn't help your case if you keep ignoring basic evidentiary rules to back it up. The source cited -- which someone keeps simply re-using -- has no mention of a conversion. Simply linking to it again won't change that. If you want to allege anything to be true, you have to back.it.up with a source that actually is a) neutral and b) really does mention something of what it's supposed to be proving! Until then, it'll keep getting taken down. Comolaflores (talk) 00:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Read what the last version actually says - there is no mention of a conversion, and no suggesting that Bob Marley was a Christian. It merely states that he was baptised. Are you disputing that fact? Bulbous (talk) 18:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, it's not like I think Rastafarianism is any less backward and archaic than Christianity, but does anyone have any insights on the constant quoting of Bishop Yesehaq's interviews with some magazine I've never heard of? Does that count as a credible source for Marley's baptism? It just seems a little dubious for him to claim to have performed this semi-secret baptism with very few witnesses save Marley's family, and yet this deviation from Marley's Rastafarianism is kept semi-secret for so long except for the scholarly ranks of ... Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.55.254 (talk) 03:20, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Oops, the following comment was by me (forgot to sign in): Okay, it's not like I think Rastafarianism is any less backward and archaic than Christianity, but does anyone have any insights on the constant quoting of Bishop Yesehaq's interviews with some magazine I've never heard of? Does that count as a credible source for Marley's baptism? It just seems a little dubious for him to claim to have performed this semi-secret baptism with very few witnesses save Marley's family, and yet this deviation from Marley's Rastafarianism is kept semi-secret for so long except for the scholarly ranks of ... Wikipedia?Comolaflores (talk) 03:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)comolaflores

http://www.jamaicans.com/culture/rasta/ethiopian_church.shtml I'm New but here is a link to were it confirms bob marley was baptized and converted to Christianity, u should check it out but idk how creditable it actually is 420bonghits —Preceding unsigned comment added by 420bonghits (talk • contribs) 17:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Uh, 420 bonghits: read the actual comments. The point is that the two sites that someone keeps doggedly re-using (makes me highly doubtful that they have any better sites, then) are of dubious utility, since they're some random, non-journalistic, non-expert sites that themselves give no decent verification. If you have any insight on the topic *at hand,* then come on back in the conversation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.55.254 (talk) 03:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

No-one disputes that Bob Marley was baptized but your claim that this meant he stopped being a Rasta and became a Christian is patent nonsense, and is worse in the opening, looks like someone pushing a point of view, please do not re-add. Please see our no original research policy. Thanks, SqueakBox 03:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

If no one disputes that he was baptized, then why is the statement continuously being reverted? All it says is that he was baptized. It doesn't say he "converted", "stopped being a Rasta" or make any other similar claim. What's the deal? Bulbous (talk) 04:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

There seems to be a general misunderstanding as to what "being baptized" means. For Christians worldwide, baptism is a symbol of conversion and an initiation into the church. Just like the ceremony of marriage, it includes both vows and symbolic acts meant to convey an inward belief and a commitment to live out that belief. If Bob Marley was indeed baptized in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, then he also publicly repeated the historic baptismal vow: "I confess Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, put my whole trust in His grace, and promise to serve Him always." Now, it certainly is true that people can "fake" a vow, or publicly professes things that they do not really mean or believe in. So, the questions become not ones of conversion, but of character -- was Marley an honest man, or a liar and a fake? Was he forced into it against his will? What did he stand to gain by faking a conversion to orthodox Christianity? These are questions that will not be answered once and for all by any one source, no matter how "journalistic" or "expert" the quote source may be. It is my opinion that Bob Marley seemed to be an honest man who was not afraid to speak out what he saw as the truth, that he was not easily intimidated or manipulated, and that he stood to gain nothing for his newfound faith more than derision (as evidenced by the scornful nature of many of the comments on this page.) So, the evidence appears to me fairly solid that Marley's conversion was real -- and yes, that is a very subjective opinion, but such is the nature of questions of faith and belief. Jolly4jc (talk) 21:19, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jolly4jc (talk • contribs) 21:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC) 

The word although indicated a conflict of interest but at the end of the day it shouldnt be in the opening because it fails notability. Thanks, SqueakBox 21:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

first of all, we have to clear up something that is a misunderstanding generally about Rastafari, which is that it's a religion. It's not a religion.It's not political because Rastafari people don't like politics. It's sort of a spiritual movement, but it's nothing resembling religion. It's a very hard thing to describe. It's kind of like a club for people who are passionate about God, but find religion is a wall around God. It's about the idea of freeing God from religion. 420bonghits-can someone help i,how r u supposed to sign ur name?and how do i make member article? and can u change ur name i dont think ppl r gonna take me seriously if i have a name a stoner would have,also idk know if u guys noticed but a large part of rastafari is a point of view,so i think this should be either deleted or maybe im just not under standing the argument is it about his baptized-ness/convert-ness kuz i dont think theres a relible source for that i dug deep in to bob marley's past- even buying a book after reading the responses of my first entry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 420bonghits (talk • contribs) 07:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

to day i hit nirvana,everything is and isnt,there is no time but space and if space is ever expanding that includes use(but most of use r totally oblivious about "it")wut is "it"wut u want now someone do something about this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 420bonghits (talk • contribs) 08:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

but know i am actually a rastafari,rastafari for me is wut it is,a "spiritual movement",and i would like to thank wikipedia for all the facts...and thats it,kuz if u dont question it who's saying its wrong...well this is totally irreverlent but ithink this proves we need to change the Rastafarian page for wut it is....and not ppl's opinions...AND ITS "OVEOUSLY"a SPIRIT MOVEMENT....IT MOVES ANYONES SPIRIT......SRY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO IDEA WUT IM TALKING ABOUT....BUT WE ALSO NEED TO KNOW POSITVETY IS ALL WE NEED,because "icant" says it all....can we change the rastafari page to be wut it is.......in all scientific truth=an encyclopedia....i made up a word for u who can understand it, who arent rastas=optizism...opinion and option with a religucal scientific twist....if this is worth makeing a page about i need someone else to do it,because im not....i have better things to do with my time then to edit fact that i question —Preceding unsigned comment added by 420bonghits (talk • contribs) 05:44, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

its just the seperation of church and rastafari....then wut do u get.....rastafari+church=religon.....rastafari-philosphy=church...church goes agienst human nature...to wonder.......rastafari+philsophy =everything u ever wanted to know......try to aply life with math because math is infanite just like math.....so there r the same.........know u feel wut i feel stronger.....and know i know a way out of it-because i want out of infinate and i just want to be...be —Preceding unsigned comment added by 420bonghits (talk • its just the seperation of church and rastafari....then wut do u get.....rastafari+church=religon.....rastafari-philosphy=church...church goes agienst human nature...to wonder.......rastafari+philsophy =everything u ever wanted to know......try to aply life with math because math is infanite just like life.....so there r the same.........know u feel wut i feel stronger.....and know i know a way out of it-because i want out of infinate and i just want to be...becontribs) 06:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC) my ispace* is "i finally get wut i dont!"

The religion thing will always be a bone of contention. However he definitely was baptized into the Ethiopian church about three months before his death. His funeral was a mixture of Rastafarian and Orthodox rites which seems very extraordinary, as well as being a Jamaica State funeral. He was buried with his guitar and his Bible. His wife Alfa-Rita remains Ethiopian Orthodox. Eugene-elgato (talk) 10:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to delete the section where it claims that "Judy Mowatt, a member of the I Threes, has claimed that Marley converted to Christianity on his deathbed.[32]" It's only source is a gospel website. If I quoted from a neo-nazi website on the African-American page it would be removed. It also seems remarkably out of character from him. He refused life saving surgery because Rastafari's believe the body must be whole. It's semi protected so I can't edit it. I would like to see this claim removed until a non-biased source is presented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.217.250 (talk) 01:08, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Done; this article is targeted by agennda driven pov pushers, unfortunately. Thanks, SqueakBox 02:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Name

His birth name is in fact Nesta Robert Marley. The first two names were switched when he was a teenager to avoid passport hassles when visiting his mother in the U.S. This is important to the article and should be changed.--68.78.41.26 17:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, one or several people keep reverting to "Nesta Robert Marley". It needs to be referenced. Anyway, if he switched names to Robert Nesta Marley, then that is his name. --Ezeu 13:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, without a ref it will be reverted as simple vandalism, SqueakBox 15:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Certainly any encyclopedia would list his birth name and not ignore the change. One source for this: "Nesta Robert Marley the first two names were switched when he was a teenager to avoid passport hassles when visiting his mother in the U.S." is in the liner notes to the album "Bob Marley and the Wailers: Everything's Gonna Be Alright". Those liner notes are credited to Tim Ziegler. The liner notes also indicate "With special thanks to the Marley family and Chris Blackwell" so it would seem they have been reviewed by those in the know.

One other note on his name: the article indicates that Marley's nickname was Tuff Gong. It would be worth referencing that one of his sons, Damian, goes by the nickname "Junior Gong" This connection is mentioned in the wiki entry for Damian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Marley —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seanrigbybrown (talk • contribs) 15:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Not wishing to disturb others comments I am adding this at the bottom of the Name Topic. In as much that the Reggie master Bob Marley was infact born to the name of 'Nesta Robert Marley' as appossed to Robert Nesta the name was change to 'Robert Nesta Marley', as also mentioned in the topic due to passport control, however this was not so that he could visit his mother in America but rather during the Families (Bob and his Mothers) immigration to America, at the request of the Immigration Officer who said that the name Nesta was representative of a girls name and may cause confusion and trouble in future.

Insidently the name Nesta was placed upon the child under his fathers request and the origins of which are unsure or uncertain. There are many rumours to the effect but none have been proven or verified. SF 89.240.64.89 (talk) 17:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

first of all, we have to clear up something that is a misunderstanding generally about Rastafarianism, which is that it's a religion. It's not a religion.It's not political because Rastafarian people don't like politics. It's sort of a spiritual movement, but it's nothing resembling religion. It's a very hard thing to describe. It's kind of like a club for people who are passionate about God, but find religion is a wall around God. It's about the idea of freeing God from religion. 420bonghits-can someone help me,how r u supposed to sign ur name?and how do i make s member article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 420bonghits (talk • contribs) 07:05, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I always thought that Rastafarianism is a religion because they believed that the King of Ethiopa was a direct messenger of God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.101.128 (talk) 03:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

His name definitely was given as Berhane Selassie, meaning the Light of the Trinity, at his baptism into the Ethiopian Church Eugene-elgato (talk) 10:54, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Smoke two joints

Smoke two joints was not sung by Bob Marley, this is explained in the article Smoke Two Joints 85.226.234.58 13:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking he's right. I searched through the discography and couldn't find Smoke Two Joints anywhere. If Bob Marley ever performed it, it was not on an album.

Yes he is right I have heard people say that before. That is not his song "Smoke Two Joints".

Ps Skank it easy

no it was never on album but he did preform it but i like the sumlime one better —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.42.220.26 (talk) 22:56, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

MINOR MISSPELLING

I've lived in Brooklyn, New York for 40+ and am very familiar with street names. In the Death/Posthumus reputation section, the name of the section of the street renamed in Marley's honor is mispelled as "Ramsen Avenue". It should be "Remsen Avenue." Thank you. ExtremelyExtremely 14:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Bob Marley still rocks on today, rock on Marley!

Styling

He should be styled as the Honourable due to the fact that he recieved the Jamaican Order of Merit

And being honourable, SqueakBox 00:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

"Smoke 2 Joints"

Could someone please take out that Bob Marley wrote or performed "Smoke 2 Joints" This is not true, and the song is so dumb (purposely) that it discredits Marley. I believe it is the result of songs being mislabeled on free download sites as so many songs are. Thank you.68.218.156.50 21:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed. --Ezeu 21:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Bob marley converted to christianity in 1980. In fact on 4 November 1980 he was baptised and became a member of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. When he was buried under Orthodox rites on 21st May 1981 it was with his Bible and his Gibson guitar!

the sorce for this is http://www.kernowyouth.co.uk/youthgroups/bobmarley/ and i just thought you guys should add the TRUTH in because you're not stating the full truths

hay —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.217.54.15 (talk) 16:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

(Repeated from above section on Religion)If you can't find a non-biased source confirming this strange tale, quit putting it up on Wikipedia. It's dishonest. Comolaflores (talk) 23:59, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Reburial in Ethiopia

I have a newspaper clipping dated 14 January 2005, that says "The remains of Bob Marley ... are to be reburied in Ethoipia, 23 years after his death. Marley's widow ... has said her husband's remains would be exhumed from his grave in Jamaica and laid to rest later this year in Shashamane, southern Ethiopia, the most sacred burial place in Rastafarianism, the religious movement he espoused. ... Mrs Marley said she was fulfilling one of his last wishes: to return to his spiritual home".

My question is, did the reburial actually take place? If so, we should say something about it. If not, we should say why Mrs Marley's plans did not eventuate. -- JackofOz 05:42, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use image

Somebody replaced our free image of Bob in 1980 with a fair use image that was only fair to illustrate the album in question. This kind of behaviour is not acceptable, please do not do it aagin, we are trying to build an encyclopedia here. Thanks, SqueakBox 06:56, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

assassination attempts on Marley

correct me if I am wrong but did int Bob Marley also get assassinated twice? He was even shot, but survived. This should be included into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.238.88.45 (talk) 05:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

• • Here it is again, shot but survived, (1976 I think it was) allknow this statement doesn't really make any sense.--McNoddy (talk) 09:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Self-Promotion?

The last paragraph in the Musical career section reads "In 2008, Bob Marley and the Wailer's music will be featured in the film movie adaptation of Irvine Welsh's best-selling novel Ecstasy: Three Tales of Chemical Romance." It seems a little out of place, but I'm new so I leave it up to you guys. LactatingNinja (talk) 10:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Nobody seems to have responded to this, so I'm just gonna take it out. Sorry if I screwed up. LactatingNinja (talk) 09:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Good on ya LactatingNinja. If you see nonsense, be bold and remove it. Wikipedia:Be bold is a main Wikipedia guideline. --Ezeu (talk) 18:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Was_bob_marley_ever_shot??

I found the answer to this question, at http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_bob_marley_ever_shot So am goa add it.--McNoddy (talk) 09:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

• • This source is incorrect, new source found at (http://www.ritamarleyfoundation.org/about_rita.html)--McNoddy (talk) 09:22, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Dodd

Hello, I've never done this before so please don't shout if I'm wrong. In the section on The Wailers it is mentioned that Bob had a conflict with Dodd. As far as I can see this is the first mention of Dodd and as such appears out of the blue. Yours, Fireland (talk) 22:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Agree. Commenting here for this very thing. No mention of a 'Dodd' anywhere else. Am going to remove. Please add again with source if you have it.

Ibanix (talk) 09:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I have heard this, and Clement Dodd was a famous Jamaican producer not a name out of the blue. Thanks, SqueakBox 18:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Some had returned the sentence you removed. Dodd was a critical element in Marley's early career and I have linked to the article and given a little more info, shows where a little expertise in a subject is helpful. Thanks, SqueakBox 18:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Peace Medal of the Third World

Does anyone know the answer to the question in Talk:Peace Medal of the Third World? Thanks, Leia42 (talk) 18:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Marley's Father vs Marley's dad

I don't know of the race of Bob Marley's father should be mentioned in this article for several reasons: 1)Bob Marley denied his white ancestry 2)There is considereable evidence that the white man claiming to be his dad is not -Other men who are black claiming to be his dad(which is really really rare in Jamaica, men simply don't claim kids who are not there's as many don't even claim there own kids) -Bob Marley Mom had numerous black boyfirends when she was married as her husband was never home -There is also evidence that Bob marley alleged white dad was a mulatto -The fact that their parents never cohabited, which is highly unusually for even a mixed race MARRIED couple in 1940 -Additionionally if they neve even lived together who knows, maybe the never even had sex

-The fact that he does not appear to look anything like any of the other mixed race Jamaicans 3)There simply is no proof. None of us can go to Ethiopia and do genetic testing on Bob to actually confirm this white or black ancestry. No one knows who really got his mom pregnant, and lets face it, if a man is away all the time from his wife and doesn't even live with her, she will get it on with the mail man. The book the article missites here even admits that other men claimed Bob Marley as theirs. as the wife had boyfriends when they were still married. Under normal circumstance (where the kid looks mixed, the parents actually lived together, and other men who are from a completltely different race do not claim to be the dad of a kid in JAMAICA) I think it may be best, to leave race unmentioned in this article. I look at most encylodpedias and it does not even mention the race of people it talks about, bob, unless it was extremly important (ie. Rosa Parks being black is important,no where in an encyclopedia does it say Rosa was born of a black mom and dad, it just discusses his role of being black in events and why it was significant). Will Smith being black not so important(he makes music but being black doesn't make his music magically better than a white persons). Bob Marley race has nothing do with the fact that he was a good musician. Even if one wanted to argue such a point it would be irrelevent because even in the link provided that supports the claims, says outright Bob Marley rejected his alleged "white ancestry" which seems to suggest that he may have knew his white father was not his biological father. Lets be real here, your moma isn't gonna tell you, but people in the neighbourhood will, that your dad ain't your dad. When you do find this out, you are not going to go on national television in conservative Jamaica or USA in 1960 and say ya my mom cheats on my dad and screws the mail on the kitchen table while my dad is out being a marine.(which is exactly what he would have done by saying that his dad was not his dad.

I'm sure someone will come up with a host of articles stating that all these articles say Bob Marley father is white. Well lets remmeber two things. A father is a male parent not necesaarily the man who fathers the child(biological father). Ie. Bob could have meant that his father, the guy who gave his mama money was white. All of the claims of Bob Marley being mulatto come from 1 book written in 1999 nearly 20 years after Bobs death and half a century after his alleged fathers death and 65 years after his parents married. Hmm... I don't know about you... but considering that the entire book on racial frontiers written by stevens is all about heresay, it seems at least highly dubious that he can resolve a complex matter like this with no genetic test, never meeting Bob or his parents, or his alleged parents or family members of the sisters or people in the neighbourhood who would really know the truth. Never travelled to Jamaica but can mystical say with absolute certainty who Bob father is. Seems to support the view that he did not try to establish the biological father only the father who paid money to the mama. 20 years after Marley is dead.. bam he just happens to find all the solutions to who Bob Marley dad is?

This is some kind of voodoo geneology that wikipedia should not support. Unless someone can prove with a genetic test that can be verified, the actual race of Bob, dig up his bones and do testing, then we shoud leave race entiely out of this. All we know for sure is Bob only claimed to be black, and once again that is disputable so should not be in here because it will ultimately the pro-bob is black vs the pro- bob is mulatto, noth of which are npov, and should not be in wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihba (talk • contribs) 08:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi! I agree with you in general. The problem is, that WHOLE SECTION is uncited. In short, there is no proof that he had a white father. Also, there is no proof that he was born in Jamaica. Also, there is no proof that his name was even "Robert Nesta Marley". All of this material needs to be properly referenced. However, I think it is more reasonable to say, "Prove these claims or then we'll delete the material", rather than delete it outright. Because if we delete the info about his father, we also have to delete the info about his mother and his date and place of birth. None of it is referenced! Bulbous (talk) 03:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

There are multiple sources for this fact, including his biographies, part of the problem here and elsewhere has been the systematic removal of verifiable sources by Bulbous. Obviously we should include his father. On the other hand there is no evidence he rejected his white heritage though his father does appear to have rejected him. The anon claim that perhaps Marley wasn't his father is original research and of no interest to us here. Thanks, SqueakBox 12:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

<Sigh>... you've been around this long and still have no clue. Saying things like "there are multiple sources for this fact" is just blowing smoke and wasting everyone's time. If there are as many sources as you suggest, perhaps you'd take the time to get off your butt and actually provide one, instead of being a parasite? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bulbous (talk • contribs) 00:34, 1 June 2008

Calm down. There are several sources, just no citations. --Ezeu (talk) 01:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

My apologies. I have been dealing with this tendentious editor for some time, in opposition to mediated settlements and common opinion. In this matter, I have resorted to being bold as opposed to waiting for someome to finally properly cite material. I will hold off, but do we not need proper citations for this, as per WP:RS ? Bulbous (talk) 03:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Wrong date of death

This edit is clearly vandalism, but I can't roll it back because the page is protected.71.14.156.98 (talk) 03:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Death date

to whom it concerns, lower down in the text, and in the template, the dates differ Gorjan1 (talk) 11:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Racial Misrepresentation

This article misrepresents Bob Marley's racial perspective. The interview is likely taken from a youtube video where he is promoting a European tour. Considering his vast discography where he represents himself as Jamaican/black/African/follower of Marcus Garvey, I think that one quotation makes him seem like he viewed both sides of his racial origins equally. This simply isn't true. In all black former British colonies, mixed kids are called 'half-caste', I've done it. I don't know if there are studies, but the kids usually try to become more black and try to compensate. When I get a chance, I'll get some sources (as well as lyrical) evidence to prove my point. In mid-20th century Jamaican racial self-identification for poor people, I think it was relatively black and white.--Yellowfiver (talk) 07:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I still think his Biraciality is overstated. --Yellowfiver (talk) 20:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Controversial subject, and especially because the racial perspective of the Rasta was founded in controversy. There certainly are refs that he indeed suffered as a half-white child (and kids are so cruel everywhere), I am very happy to collaborate in this issue. Until the colour of the skin is of no more significant than the colour of the eyes was said by HIM and sung by Bob, and by God they were right. Thanks, SqueakBox 20:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

"most widely known ... performer of ska"?

Marley died nearly thirty years ago, but remains the most widely known and revered performer of ska/reggae music, and is credited for helping spread Jamaican music to the worldwide audience.[1]

I'm going to change "ska/reggae" in this intro paragraph to "reggae" only. I strongly doubt that he's the most widely known performer of ska. I will bet that 98% of people familiar with Bob Marley think of him as the chief of reggae, and don't have any idea that he ever sang any ska. (In any case, "ska/reggae" would have to be "ska and reggae" instead if it were to make any sense, even if I'm wrong above.) Tempshill (talk) 18:05, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

REGGAETON???

whoever put in the word reggaeton had absolutely no idea of what he was doing...shouldn't it be changed ASAP to reggae?--  R a k h t æ l  22:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes. And done. Fribbler (talk) 12:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Sephardic Jew

I took out the Sephardic Jew claim for Bob's dad because it had no citation and is more then likely completely false. Why does this happen so much here on wikipedia? Last time it was Baron Von Richtofen the Red Baron German of WWI. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnHistory (talk • contribs) 19:23, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Wait a second. There was an interview with a relative of his that confirmed that his dad was of Syrian Jewish heritage. Reposting. 68.83.49.218 (talk) 04:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Can you add that source then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.147.138 (talk) 09:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation of Bob Marleys

There are two well known personalities with the name Bob Marley. I am more familiar with the one from Maine, Bob Marley (comedian).

This page should be made into a disambiguation page and this page moved to Bob Marley (Singer).

Could someone please do that?

Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk) 07:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Things with which Marley was buried

Here's a cautionary tale about disregard towards citing sources:

A DJ on the Israel Army Radio told that Marley was buried with his Gibson Les Paul, a football, a Cannabis bud, a ring that he wore every day that was given to him by the Prince Asfaw Wossen of Ethiopia (eldest son of HIM), and a Bible. Word for word from Wikipedia. Unfortunately, there was no source for it here, so i marked it as "citation needed". None was found, and this information was removed, except the guitar, and i'm still not sure about it.

As a matter of curiosity, here are the diffs for this stuff:

• guitar and bible: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Marley&diff=21443319&oldid=21442281
• marijuana: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Marley&diff=prev&oldid=21444007
• soccer ball: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Marley&diff=53863597&oldid=53736568

Of course, if someone does find a source for those things, put them back. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 09:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

An anonymous user on the Hebrew Wikipedia says that guitar and the Bible appear in White, Timothy (2006). Catch a Fire, which is already referenced in the article, so i assume good faith and put them back. If anyone has the book - can you please verify it and correct me if i'm wrong? Thanks in advance. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 16:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Scrap a dead link from the externl link section.

The links title is Bob Marley quotes and lyrics. The url is http://www.mightyquotes.com/quotes/peopel/bobmarley.

Actually the address points to a parked domain full of ads.

--213.55.73.237 (talk) 20:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

"Illness" subsection

What on Earth is a "football wound", and what does it have to do with cancer? The sentence also seems to imply that the cancer was "inflicted by broadcaster and pundit Danny Baker". Fuzzform (talk) 02:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

-Well the "football wound" was a cut that Marley received on his foot while playing football. He neglected getting treatment, the wound got terribly infected, the cells became cancerous, and by the time Marley go his injury checked by a doctor, the cancer had spread through over half his body. However, the party about Danny Baker, I agree, implies that the cancer was inflicted by Baker. Kevin.Conklin90 (talk) 23:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

External links

• Bob Marley quotes and lyrics

the link does not work please replace on this

• Bob Marley lyrics--Bbrrtt (talk) 08:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
• (http://www.rasta-man-vibration.com/zimbabwe-tour.html) by Attila Szucs —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lujgi (talk • contribs) 18:11, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Makeda Marley

The above has again been removed by User:ZiggyMarleycom, initially without any explanation, but when prompted, has now explained, saying simply, "Catch a Fire" details were incorrect". I don't profess to know what is correct, but I believe a better explanation is required than that. A quick googling of Makeda Marley brings up numerous mentions as being a Bob Marley offspring, so surely clarification and discussion is needed, rather than continually removing the name and edit warring?--♦Tangerines♦·Talk 03:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Bob Marley Foundation

I understand that there is an external link routing the user to the Bob Marley Foundation homepage, however, I think there should be some information about the foundation within Bob Marley's article. Obviously, if the user would like, in full detail, to know what the Bob Marley Foundation is, they can go to its external link. However, perhaps a paragraph or two in Bob Marley's article could suffice in supplying the reader with a touch of information about what exactly the Bob Marley Foundation is and what it is working towards. Kevin.Conklin90 (talk) 23:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Editing Question

I wish to make a few grammatical changes and fix some general redundancies, and even submit additional information which cannot be found in this article, however, it is 'protected.' How do I go about editing a protected article? Thanks. Kevin.Conklin90 (talk) 23:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

bob marley

He is a very good person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.74.70.196 (talk) 18:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Wife and Children

I've added a Contradict tag to this section. It says he had 12 children, but 13 are listed. I don't know enough about the guy to resolve it. Mbarbier (talk) 18:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC), BoB had 14 kids really: 1st child: Nicola Marley(Imani carole)(Daughter) (1963),with Cheryl Murray before marrying Rita Anderson 2nd child: Sharon Marley (1964), (Rita's daughter) before marrying bob (rita his wife official) 3rd child: Cedella Marley (1967)(Daughter) with Rita Anderson The 4th (son) David "Ziggy" Marley (1968) with Rita; The 5th (son), Stephen Marley (1972), with Rita; The 6th (son): Robert "Robbie" Marley (1972), with Lucille Pat Williams, one of his girlfriends in Trench Town; The 7th (Son): Rohan Marley (1972) with Janet Hunt. The 8th child: Karen Marley (1973)(daughter) with Janet Bowen; The 9th child: Stephanie Marley (1974) (daughter) of Rita .. but they say that Bob is not her biological father due to an affair rita had ... but he Adopted her as his) 10th (Son): Julian Marley (1975), to Lucy Pounder; 11th (Son): Ky-Mani Marley (1976), Anita Belnavis; 12th (Son): Damian Marley (1978), Cindy Breakspeare;(he is the youngest marley son in the music business) not the last son born to Bob. 13th (daughter): Makeda Marley (1981), Yvette Crichton; 14th (son) Nahum Marley (1981), with Lucy pounder.

His name.

Bob was born Nesta Robert Marley and after his mother moved to America, he came for a short while to work here, and before he left he was told Nesta was a girls name and so he changed it to Robert Nesta Marley. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.9.217 (talk) 01:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is true that Bob was Born Nesta Robert Marley, and it was later changed at the suggestion of an American Emigration Officer when the family moved to America, as it was thought that the name Nesta was a girls name. The name Nesta is the only legasy that is given to bob from his Father, no one knows what significanse it has or wheer it came from or why his father wished it onto his son. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.137.248 (talk) 23:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Damian "Junior Gong"

I would like the page to show "Junior Gong" beside his name so that he will be more recognizable to people browsing this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MasterODisaster (talk • contribs) 15:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

The style of THE HONOURABLE is missing

{{editsemiprotected}} Hon. Robert Nesta Marley was invested with the Order of Merit and is thus styled as The Honourable. Though the post-nominal letters of OM are there, the required style: Hon. is missing. I cant edit the page as I normally would when I see protocol breaches of this nature so can some with editing privileges do it? Thanks Devronp (talk) 07:29, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

According to the manual of style, under Honorific prefixes, it says;

"Styles and honorifics which are derived from noble title, including [...] The Honourable, should not be included in the text inline but may be legitimately discussed in the article proper."

Therefore I have not made this change. If you disagree, please explain further below.  Chzz  ►  09:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

If the rules state that the style may not be placed in the text inline, it permits [apparently mandates] that such style be placed in the info box above the individual's name. This usage is evident especially in articles relating to other recipients of similar honours (e.g other Jamaican Prime Ministers and Governors-General who possess such Honours). The entries are entered in the infobox in the following format:(Format more clear when attempting to edit post)

|honorific-prefix= The Honourable
|name= Bob Marley (or Robert Nesta Marley)

Devronp (talk) 05:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Death and posthumous reputation

In the "Death and posthumous reputation" it says he was buried with his " Fender Stratocaster ". This is wrong. It is well known that Bob Marley played a gibson, as you can see on thousands of pictures from him. I hope someone can change that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.245.116.56 (talk) 13:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Clarification on English, not Scottish ancestry.

It says in one of the cats that Bob was of "Scottish descent", but this isn't true. Norval Sinclair Marley come from an English family from Essex. Norval's father Albert Thomas Marley was born at Essex, England.[5] As was his grandfather and his great-grandfather. The name Marley is an English surname not Scottish.[6] Yorkshirian (talk) 19:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

And Norval and Sinclair are both Scottish names. Why do you think he was given them? And why are you not taking the female lines into account here?--MacRusgail (talk) 11:29, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

The explicit geneological presentation shows that his ancestors, including those two you've just tried to claim as "Scottish" were born in Essex, England. As far back as can be traced, his specific ancestral line is in Essex (back to the 1700s). You've going to have to provide specific evidence for your Scottish theory. As to why he was called Norval Sinclair as his Christian names, who knows? Perhaps his father was friends with a Scotsman in the military or something and named him in tribute. But his father was still born in England with an English surname.- Yorkshirian (talk) 19:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

A surname is only part of the story. In many cases, only one of one's great great grandparents would have the same surname as you do. The other fifteen will very probably have different ones. In the case of one's great great great grandparents, it is also possible (though not as likely) that they could have 32 distinct surnames. And so on... Check the distaffs...--MacRusgail (talk) 21:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC) p.s. I did try your link, but it is frankly time consuming, my internet speed isn't up to it just now, plus one of the ancestors is merely listed as "Jane". p.p.s. For Norval's possible origins see Douglas (play). I do find it strange that someone would be given two Scottish forenames, one a very obscure one.

I think the first step is establishing Scottish geneaology before restoring the content. Names are not necessarily an indication of heritage, and certainly don't count as reliable sources - Trevor Nelson (about as English a name as you can get) doesn't have English ancestry for example. --Jza84 |  Talk  01:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

According to Heather Marley in Bob Marley Magazine who did research into the Marley name and background:

The Marley name comes from Syrian/British Roots”. This news is confirmed by Heather´s father, Mr Michael George Marley:

“Per what I was told by my mother, grandmother and uncle, the Marleys were Syrian Jews that migrated from the Middles East to England and then to Jamaica. About ten years ago I did research on the surname which also showed that to be true”

http://www.bobmarleymagazine.com/archives/372 --Jewish Marley (talk) 19:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)# Jewish Marley

The name Marey has been in England since the Middle Ages, unless it can be specifically proven that the family were Jewish then this too seems dubious.[7] It comes from Old English pre 7th Century "mearth" meaning (pine) marten, plus "leah", a wood or clearing. - 02:45, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

It is pretty dubious. There's a fairly reliable family tree of Marley here. His father was Norval Sinclair Marley (b. Jamacia), whose father was Albert Thomas Marley (b. England, 1851), whose father was Frederick Marley (b. Rye, England, 1820), whose father was Thomas Marley (born c. 1795). There's no traceable Syrian (or Syrian Jewish) ancestry anywhere. All Hallow's (talk) 23:59, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Edit request

{{editsemiprotected}} Have link for Bob Marley's "Redemption Song" lyrics http://www.elyrics.net/read/b/bob-marley-lyrics/redemption-song-lyrics.html Kungfukillaz (talk) 02:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome and thanks for wanting to improve this article. When you use the {{editsemiprotected}} template, you need to present the request in a 'Please change X to Y' level of detail. I looked for an obvious place to add this and found none. You may want to add it to the article for Redemption Song, instead. Celestra (talk) 04:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Burial!

The information on Bob Marley's burial is wrong. Bob was buried with his - Red Gibson Les Paul -! Not a fender stratocaster! He was also buried with a bible opened to his favorite psalm- psalm 23. I believe the bible was His Imperial Majesty's.

Someone should change this. for some Reason Wiki won't let me do it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Licklife19 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Bob Marley - Welsh father?

Look, I read here that Bob Marley's father was Welsh, not from Essex. I decided to investigate on Wiki, and noticed that Bob Marley's first name from birth was 'Nesta' - which is a girl's name, but nonetheless a Welsh girls' name! Take a look for yourselves .. http://www.famouswelsh.com/Welsh-Musicians/browse-listing.php?Alpha=M&page=0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.241.55.210 (talk) 16:14, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Bob Marley as a Counter-Culture Icon

Perhaps at least a brief mention in the opening paragraph about Marley's status a counter-culture icon, specifically regarding the recreational use of cannabis? The article only barely mentions his use of the substance, and it is certainly a large part of his posthumous image. --81.102.234.88 (talk) 23:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Venue question for 1979 tour date

Any Bob Marley fan (and by fan I do mean fanatic) who is interested in tracing down a bit of historical minutia regarding the venue of one particular date of his 1979 tour may wish to look at Talk:Survival Tour#Philadelphia venue. -- ToE^T 01:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from Usamasyed, 25 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} In March 2008, The Weinstein Company announced its plans to produce a biopic of Bob Marley, based on the book No Woman No Cry: My Life With Bob Marley by Rita Marley. Rudy Langlais will produce the script by Lizzie Borden and Rita Marley will executive producer.

The last sentence of the above paragraph should be: "Rita Marley will BE executive producer." Usamasyed (talk) 23:41, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

 Done  Chzz  ►  00:19, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Incomplete sentence

In the "Wife and Children" Section: "Various websites, (for example "Bob Marley's Children". Chelsea's Entertainment Reviews. http://chelseasreviews.wordpress.com/2006/12/07/bob-marleys-children/. ) also list Imani Carole, born May 22, 1963 to Cheryl Murray; but she does not appear on the official Bob Marley website, or in.[40]"

Or in what? 145.228.61.4 (talk) 08:51, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

 Done thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 09:18, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Leroy Anderson

According to this obituary of Leroy Anderson (Marley's father-in-law), Anderson taught guitar to Lauren Hedlin. Does this merit a mention in the section Early life and career? Thanks, -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 04:44, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Religion table

The "Religion" section has a malformed table and is illegible. I'd fix it but the article is locked and I don't have whatever superpowers are needed to do that. Perhaps someone who does would have mercy and tidy that up for the rest of us. Diaspore (talk) 03:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Could you explain how it appears to you? It looks fine to me at various screen resolutions (it intrudes into the Wife and children section, but that's a byproduct of its length relative to the length of the Religion section), so additional detail about the problem would be helpful. (FYI: If you do not receive an immediate response to a request to make a change to a locked ("protected") article, you can call attention to the request by adding {{editprotected}} to your request.) Thanks, -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 17:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

on bob marley/micheal jackson

well bob marley did not sing the song bad boys i know for a fact that he sang could you be loved he was 38 at death last words to son ziggy money cannot by life so he died in a hospital in miami on his tour on the way home sad he earned a merit in jaimaica careful in what you dont know aboutno one knows of wife ziggy is dead now as well died at age 77 sad to here that though he did have 3 children various times of checking for cancer and had dreads exactly like his fathers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.114.141 (talk) 00:12, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Sentence about football injury leading to cancer is a myth

It seems like a huge stretch for my to image that Bob Marley got cancer from a toe injury playing football (which was sited with #28 in the footnotes). So I followed #28 and read the article about Bob Marley's death. It stated that the toe-cancer injury was the biggest of all myths (and it listed a few others leading to this "biggest" of all Bob Marley myths). So why would the Wikipedia article about Bob Marley cite the cause of his cancer from a toe/football injury that (even the sited source) stated was a myth... so people reading the article and not inquisitive enough to review the citation and see that the cite is saying the exact opposite of the wikipedia claim are going to think that is the truth. ..... and doesn't a toe injury playing football leading to a cancer death sound to anyone else? I didn't think cancer worked that way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.88.58 (talk) 15:47, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't actually say the cancer resulted from the injury, though I admit the wording is not clear, and might be read that way. You could be bold and edit it to make it clear what the reference actually says. --ColinFine (talk) 22:05, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I have trimmed it as it is unclear, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 22:48, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request in Illness section

I believe it should be stated that Bob Marley's last ever concert was held at the Stanley Theater in Pittsburgh, PA, USA, three days after the Madison Square Garden shows, and took place on September 23, 1980. I cite the two articles Uprising Tour, and Benedum Center as references of this fact. I believe this is relevant and that this fact should be incorporated in the article as such. After the sentence "After the tour, Marley went to America, where he performed two shows at Madison Square Garden as part of the Uprising Tour." it should read: "Marley then played his last ever live show at the Stanley Theater in Pittsburgh, PA", or a sentace similar, then continue the article. I believe this fact is relevant, and it should be included in the Bob Marley article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.111.119.15 (talk) 00:04, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

quotations

in my opinion one of his most powerful quotations came after the american government tried to stop him performing his music and inspiring people to rebel against typical traditions and expectations created by the government. the government came to bob marley's home and beat him to try and stop him getting his message across and when asked why he didn't take time to rest and recover from the attack he replied the people who are trying to destroy this world aren't taking a day off so how can i. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arks92 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

If you can find a Reliable source for the quotation (not some random place on the Internet where somebody lists quotations without giving reliable sources), then you can go ahead and add it to the article; but please find or create a suitable place for it - not just a quotation sitting all on its own, but perhaps a properly-researched section about his political beliefs. --ColinFine (talk) 15:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I see this quotation has been added, unsourced, to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.112.178 (talk) 00:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Official Web Page?

I know BobMarley.com calls themselves the "official" web page, and that's how it's listed here, but is it really? What makes it "official?" From what I can see it's not much more than just a sales page, and there's no obvious affiliation with the estate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.112.178 (talk) 23:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Bob Marley's guitar

According to the Bob Marley Museum in Kingston, Jamaica, he played a Gibson Les Paul, NOT a Fender.216.214.131.176 (talk) 17:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Have you got a citation, imo he played a lot of diferent guitars, and it is un important the readers. 17:21, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Brandon998, 18 September 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Bob Marley has a brother called Damian Marley

and thats it really Brandon998 (talk) 10:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome and thanks for wanting to add to this article. To service your request, we need to know what text to add and where to add it, as well as some source for a factual claim like this. Can you find a source and rephrase the request in a 'please change X to Y' level of detail? Regards, Celestra (talk) 15:11, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from mikk0384, 9 October 2010

There is a minor mistype in the discography. The "London Garden" is spelled "London Gsrden" in the article. Can someone please correct this? Mikk0384 (talk) 22:16, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Done. Cheers for noticing. Nymf _hideliho! 22:20, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Reason not clear for refusing Western medical treatment

It is not clear in the sickness/death section about why he avoided conventional therapy. Possibly religious reasons I believe, but they certainly are not specified here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.14.106 (talk) 10:09, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Rastas believe in healing by Ital food and faith, almost immortality in connection with God, something like Hindus. http://arapahoe.littletonpublicschools.net/Portals/7/Social%20Studies/Rastafari%20PP.ppt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.175.72.238 (talk) 18:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 78.144.150.190, 23 October 2010

a rastafarian is an alien —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.150.190 (talk) 19:54, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Jammin' vs Jamming

Surely the song (linked to as Jamming (song)) from Exodus is written as Jammin', not Jamming? Ezeu (talk) 23:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request- Illness section

If I was more familiar with the topic and had the time to do the research I would do it myself, but this section on his illness is an avalanche of terrible grammar and unclear wording. The first sentence reads: "It was at the start of the European tour when Bob injured his toe playing football. In July 1977, Marley..." I don't think I need to say anymore about this. It's evident this section is in dire need of editing and the so-called facts need to be verified, if not rewritten. Rpgoof (talk) 20:52, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request - image text

Spelling and grammar - 'Marley perforning in at Dalymount Park in the late 1970s' Also should 1970s be 1970's? 2.102.207.215 (talk) 22:21, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Will correct the spelling; WP chooses not to use apostrophes when naming decades, i.e. 1970s.--Chimino (talk) 19:30, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Featured Article

So...any suggestions on how we go about making the article FA-ready?--Chimino (talk) 21:06, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Bob Marley = Vishnu

I am a guy from Nepal and I'm seriously offended by one of the sentence in this page titled "Bob Marley".

Additionally, for many in Nepal, Marley is considered to be an incarnation of the Hindu God Vishnu.[52]

This sentence is completely wrong. In fact, most of the people in Nepal who don't listen to English music, don't even know Bob Marley. We people from Nepal are mostly Hindus, who believe in Gods as mentioned in our religious books. There is no question of Nepali people considering Bob Marley, who is an foreign person from foreign culture to be considered as incarnation of our God Vishnu. This is completely unacceptable, fallacious and humiliating. So, I do seriously request you to remove this sentence from this page.

Sincerely, Biki.sh (talk) 23:08, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I can't pretend to know, having never been to Nepal, but at least I located the published sources for that claim. The earliest seems to be a 1995 issue of "The Beat" magazine, followed by Chanting Down Babylon (1998), Under the painted eyes: A story of Nepal (1999), On racial frontiers (1999), Marley Legend (2006), Golden Legends:Images of Abyssinia (2008), Bob Marley (2008) [8]

Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 23:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 00:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Biki.sh, the article reports it, because the utilized source states it. We are only concerned with WP:Verify, not WP:Truth or your own WP:OR that you believe this is false. As for you being offended, Wikipedia is also WP:NOTCENSORED and so that as well is an irrelevant (although unfortunate) issue. I have adjusted "many" to "some", but the broader issue merits inclusion.  Redthoreau -- (talk) 07:03, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

That is not correct, Redthoreau. Such a broad claim about "many in Nepal" considering Marley an incarnation of Vishnu is highly suspect. Looking at the source and the list of sources offered above, we see that Henke's "many" is at odds with Carnochan's "some".[9] Since Henke is a music journalist[10] and Carnochan is an academic[11] (former prof. at Stanford), I would go with the latter. Ideally, we should dispense with "some" and "many" altogether, and simply attribute the observation to its source. As it stands, it is nothing more than an anecdote, and should be treated as such. The original source does not even appear to specify some or many, and was probably added later as an embellishment. The myth that editors are not responsible for their edits simply because they are citing a source is just wrong. All editors are responsible for using sources wisely and with good judgment. Just because a source says something does not mean we report it. It means we, as editors, must have the necessary skills to choose sources wisely and with good measure, and to paraphrase appropriately and accurately. It also means knowing when to choose the best source over a poor source. Viriditas (talk) 07:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Viriditas, “many” is not the issue, as I personally changed the wording to “some”. If you believe the claim that “some” is also inaccurate or for example, that a single person in Nepal does not hold this belief, then obviously you are free to provide any sources which may challenge this claim from the aforementioned sources. As for the academic vs. the music journalist, I say include them both and go with the more cautious wording of the academic ("some") – especially since “many” is vague (would many be more than 100?, 1,000? etc). As for attributing the opinion, I am also fine with that and you should feel free to make the change if you’d like. However, the purpose of the original poster was to unilaterally declare the reported issue to be false through his own WP:OR of living in Nepal and not personally ever encountering anyone with this belief - that is “irrelevant” as I stated. As for us as editors analyzing the accuracy of sources ourselves to determine their validity – I did, and believe the source used at present to be reliable. If you have information which would call the reliability into question, you are obviously free to post that here for our consideration. Lastly, as for one taking a personal offense to the matter (because presumably they are Vaishnavite Hindu and find it sacrilegious) that is also not a concern we have as Wiki editors – as people’s various religious sensitivities are not a component we consider when echoing reliable sources (in fact most of the religious coverage on the entire Wiki project could probably be said to offend one religious interpretation or another).  Redthoreau -- (talk) 18:36, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't know who or what you are replying to here, but you obviously did not read my comment on the matter. This anecdotal claim is a huge red flag, and Biki.sh, regardless of his motivations, was entirely correct in drawing attention to it. Have you examined the original source in this matter? What does it say? Viriditas (talk) 20:05, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Viriditas, I obviously read your comment and adequately replied to it. Whether you choose to accept my reply is of your own accord. As for the original source used, yes I examined it (as I originally added the passage in the first place). Content wise, it said what I wrote in the article. Now do I know this to be accurate? No. I’ve never traveled throughout Nepal asking the locals about Bob Marley? But one can safely assume that the author of the utilized book had some sort of reasonable rationale for including the anecdote – and that its originator had first hand knowledge of the matter to initially report on it. As for it being an obvious "red flag", I guess that is in the eye of the beholder. Obviously people believe a lot of peculiar things in all religions across the world, and I don’t find it so unbelievable that some people would hold the belief that Bob Marley was a reincarnation of Vishnu. I personally don’t believe in reincarnation at all, but presumably if one did, why is it such a stretch? If you are already willing to believe that a four-armed deity is a preserver of the universe and that he has been reincarnated nine times in the past, I don’t see why when you all of the sudden throw in a talented Jamaican Reggae singer as the tenth "incarnation" it becomes so irrationally absurd. The original poster almost seems to imply various nationalistic/racist/cultural ethnocentricities – by declaring that since Marley was "foreign", that his potential connection to Hinduism is "humiliating". Now do you have any references to call this "red flag" into question?  Redthoreau -- (talk) 03:13, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Please read my comments and respond to them. So far, you have not, and you also do not seem to understand what is meant by a "red flag". I can guarantee you, that a claim in any biography article stating that many people in X country think Y person is Z, is a red flag for a source check. Now, please focus on this discussion. Have you read Til Eulenspiegel's comment above, and have you looked at the original source, the claim of which appears to have been repeated in many different forms? Who is it originally attributed to and what does it say? Please answer this question, briefly, in your response. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 03:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I have responded to your comments, and then some. As Til Eulenspiegel points out, the claim is made in ---> 8 separate books from 1995-2009. Moreover, this ---> March 26, 2005 Himalayan Times article notes how a Nepalese medicine man living in Changunarayan, Nepal named Kali Baba is apparently able to use his radio to "gives himself over to Bob Marley, classical Indian or Nepali folk music, even rock" – in direct contradiction to the original poster’s claim that nobody in Nepal knows who Bob Marley is, or can access his music. Now, I will ask you again – do you have anything to call into question the 8 books that all make the claim you are disputing? I don’t see this issue as a "red flag", in fact I find it perfectly believable that some Nepalese do believe Bob Marley is a reincarnation of Vishnu.  Redthoreau -- (talk) 06:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I am from Near to Changu Narayan, which itself is the Temple of Lord Vishnu, Kali Baba do not lives in Changu Narayan, but in a hill named Telkot near to Chnagu Narayan. Again he is a monk and not a medicine man (I have met him many times). You cannot compare the ordinary people with Kali Baba. He knows english and every baba is different from ordinary man, and sometimes knows more than ordinary man. And what a redicolous and chldish logic here, he, Kali Baba, listens Bob`s music thats why bob can be considered as Vishnu. I must say that the youngsters only listen english music in Nepal, in that case how some tribial people consider him as GOD Vishnu. God Vishnu is considered as a Operator of World. Hindus have three major GODs Generator-Lord Brahma, Operator-Lord Vishnu and Destroyer-Lord Shiva. In this respect how can we compare the God who operates the world with any singer (ofcourse Bob is a great singer and I like hime very much). So please stop giving wrong information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Duke147 (talk • contribs) 07:53, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

No, you have not responded to my comments at all. Repeatedly, I have asked you, who has made this claim? You have just now responded with a link to happy-nomads.nl which appears to be a reproduction of a claim of a 2005 article in The Himalayan Times which says essentially, that a certain individual enjoys listening to Marley. Perhaps you misunderstood what the source says? That someone, anyone, enjoys listening to Marley has nothing to do with this discussion. In any case, this does not address the fundamental question at all. To get you back on track, Til Eulenspiegel said that the earliest claim was made by an author (Sanjay Dev?) in "The Beat" magazine in 1995. Roger Steffens, Marley's archivist, was the founding editor of "The Beat. On first glance, it hardly appears notable, and reads as nothing other than an entertaining anecdote that fills up column space. According to Google, Sanjay Dev is a college math teacher in Chico, California who is also somewhat of a "reggae activist", and produces a reggae show on KZFR. He is originally from Nepal.[12] According to Dev himself:

I am a professor of mathematics here in California as well as a reggae DJ and a historian on the side for the last 12 years. I am afraid that Bob Marley has never been to Nepal or India. I am good friends with Roger Steffens (Marley's archivist and historian). Him and I have had countless hours of discussion on Bob Marley's life. We have concluded that he has never been to Nepal. Bob's music touched us in the 1970s and I was very pleased to see that his music is just as strong today in Nepal. I was there only a month ago and left many rarities of Bob Marley CDs with some of my friends and some bars around Lajimpat and Thamel. Also, there has been quite a discussion on sadhus vs rastas but there is yet to be any link between them other than the few similarities in lifestyle.[13]

Dev's comment above is referring to a 2005 article about Marley by Anoop Pandey, "The raja of rasta and reggae", published in the Nepali Times. This article itself repeats the anecdote: "Bob Marley is seen by some as a Bishnu incarnate and we wonder if this is the missing link that connects the famous Jamaican star with Nepal?"[14] From what I can tell, Dev's anecdote was repeated, again and again, without any critical analysis, in mostly hagiographical sources about Marley because of Dev's relationship with Steffens. It is virtually meaningless on an encyclopedic level, unless it is attributed to Dev and put in the appropriate context. I must agree with Biki.sh that the claim is not only a red flag, it is ridiculous without attribution and context. My concern is that there may be a bit of Rastafarian myth-making going on here; part of this legend concerns the First Rasta, Leonard Howell, aka "Gong", who was reportedly influenced by Hinduism (Mansingh & Mansingh, 1985). However, this speculation has been criticized as baseless and exaggerated. (Chevannes, 1994; Murrell, 1998). Fans of Marley, by repeatedly claiming that he is seen as an incarnation of Vishnu, are attempting to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. It would be one thing for non-reggae, non-Marley fans to make these claims, but when they can be traced to one claimant from Nepal who published his claims in Steffens' magazine, produces a reggae radio show, and acts as a reggae ambassador to Nepal, we have to proceed very carefully. Note, however one does the research, the claim always comes back to either Steffens' (by way of Dev) or to Dev. That is suspicious. For example, the claim "In Nepal, Bob is worshiped by many people who regard him as an incarnation of the Hindu deity, Vishnu" is found in Murrell (1998). But look at the author of the text: Roger Steffens.[15] So we see a reverberation throughout every piece on the subject, a claim repeated over and over originating from only one source, Sanjay Dev. Look at Dev's quote in Steckles (2008):

"..."rasta" in Hindi means a path, a roadway, mostly of the spiritual journey. To this day, Bob is worshipped in Nepal as an ascetic, as a holy man, as an incarnation of Vishnu. His music will live forever." (xvi)

This is colorful rhetoric, but not much more. Notice how Dev connects Hindi with Rastafarianism. Even our own Wikipedia article on the Rastafari movement is guilty of original research, connecting the two without evidence:

Tthe migration of many thousands of Hindus from India to the Caribbean in the 20th century may have brought this culture to Jamaica. Many academics point to Indo-Caribbean origins for the ganjah sacrament resulting from the importation of Indian migrant workers in a post-abolition Jamaican landscape. "Large scale use of ganjah in Jamaica... dated from the importation of indentured Indians..."(Campbell 110). Dreadlocked mystics Jata , often ascetic known as sadhus or Sufi Qalandars, have smoked cannabis in South Asia for centuries.

Note, the weasel words ("many thousands of Hindus...may have brought this culture to Jamaica...Many academics...Dreadlocked mystics Jata , often ascetic known as sadhus") and the misuse of sources to synthesize a position. Also note what Dev said above: "...there has been quite a discussion on sadhus vs rastas but there is yet to be any link between them other than the few similarities in lifestyle." The bottom line is, it doesn't matter how many sources repeat a claim made by one, pro-reggae Bob Marley ambassador to the world; what matters is that as an encyclopedia, we generally do not focus on specific, personal anecdotes without 1) providing attribution, and 2) providing context. A biography about Bob Marley should certainly touch upon the influence his music has had around the world, including cultural appropriation, but it needs to do so based on facts, not on rhetorical anecdotes. Wikipedia's standard of evidence will always be higher than that of popular hagiographies or music fans who write them. Viriditas (talk) 02:47, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Viriditas, I see lots of interesting WP:OR, some deliberate misunderstanding of (or inability to comprehend) nearly everything I respond with, and a healthy dose of arrogance in the replies to not only me, but the poster below. There are 8 books that make this claim, you have yet to provide a single source that would call its veracity into question – other than your own conclusions based on what you believe to be various people’s careers/motivations (which although interesting, aren’t really relevant).  Redthoreau -- (talk) 00:43, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

It's called research, and there's nothing original about it. The facts show that this claim about Nepalese is a huge red flag as it can be traced back to only one claimant, who published an article in a magazine edited by the archivist, who then repeated the same claim, which then found its way into multiple sources, all which refer back to the same source. There remains zero evidence that any Nepalese worship Marley as an incarnation of Vishnu, except for the existence of the "Hotel Bob Marley" where coincidentally enough, in that particular area, people actually do worship Vishnu. The attempt to connect Hinduism and Rastafarisnism has occurred several times in the literature, with academic analysis concluding it is baseless and exaggerated. The fact that the claims about Marley are coming from uncritical sources on the subject tells us that we can't trust it. As I recommended below, stick with specific claims that can easily be verified in multiple sources independent of the subject and stop promoting mythmaking and hagiographies. The reason you can't find any actual sources unconnected to the claimant or the archivist is obvious: it is a myth. Viriditas (talk) 01:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I find it a little ironic that you use the word "rhetoric". It's not that unusual for someone to claim there are NO sources for something, ask that it be removed, and then be shown nine sources in reply. But it definitely takes an unusually high skill in rhetoric, to be able to explain why normal WP:VER does not apply, and each and every one of those nine sources is inadmissible because he can out-argue all of those sources personally. Once it's gone there, few others want to touch such a case with a ten foot pole. 74.110.231.167 (talk) 03:09, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

You are slightly confusing usage. "Rhetoric" is used, in this instance, to mean "grandiosity: high-flown style; excessive use of verbal ornamentation". When Dev says, "Bob is worshipped", is he really speaking literally or figuratively? When he says Marley is worshiped "as an ascetic, as a holy man, as an incarnation of Vishnu", is his language ornamental, and hence, rhetorical? The answer appears to be yes, given his conclusion: "His music will live forever." As for WP:V, you've pointed to a common misconception of the policy (no doubt encouraged by its confusing and arcane style). V does not mean that just because something can be verified it must be included. It means, that one should be able to verify any challenged material in reliable sources, not that one should therefore include it. The policy really needs to be corrected because you and many other editors think that's what it means due to its ambiguity. As for the number of sources repeating the same claim that is traced back to one personal anecdote, as I have said above, I think there is room to discuss influence and appropriation, but it has to be done carefully with attention to what the best sources really say on the matter. For example, using Dev and others to talk about specific cultural influences in Nepal, rather than making anecdotal generalizations about what some or many Nepalese believe. One illustration of such an example, is the reference to the "Bob Marley Restaurant" or "Hotel Bob Marley"[16] in Muktinath where he is said to have visited. (Pandey 2005) Muktinath is said to be "one of the most ancient Hindu temples of God Vishnu." Dev's rhetoric, therefore, is not just metaphorical in scope, but mythological, appropriating Marley as part of Muktinath's cultural heritage. Viriditas (talk) 04:33, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Comparision of Bob Marley with Hindu GOD

Nobody knows in Nepal which group of poople considers Bob as a incarnation of Lord Vishnu. I don`t know how you came to that idea because only the youngesters of cities listen his music. To most of the Nepalese till now it is a unknown name. Yes, his songs are popular and many yongsters like his hair style and get up not in Nepal only but all over the world. But no one compares him with any Hindu God. Nobody is comparable with GOD. So please edit this page and stop playing with every hindu`s respect toward GOD. If such type of false message persiste wikipedia will gradually lose its fame and validity.Duke147 (talk) 07:25, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Much of the claims in that paragraph appear to be based on the Henke book, which I would consider a non-neutral source as it is published by Tuff Gong Books. I do not believe this article will ever be FA-ready as long as those claims are being made in the "Legacy" section.--Chimino (talk) 11:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Chimino, do you have any evidence that would call the reliability of Tuff Gong Books into question? If so, do share ...  Redthoreau -- (talk) 21:46, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

None other than the obvious: a book published by a company claiming its founder being worshiped as God, without any other sources claiming as much. For such a remarkable claim, I would expect it to be backed by more than this singular citation.--Chimino (talk) 21:59, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

To Mr. Eulenspiegel: Before you erase my contribution to this issue next time, you should first explain why a statement that violates and insults the religious feelings of hindus, and could be considered blasphemy, has the merits to be considered objective and NPOV, while the same is considered "inflamingly" aso. when it meets the topic of jews. Does WP consider Jewish People and Jewish Religion as superior over Hinduism and others in any way, just because jewish people and jewish belief does so? Why is your judgement so biased? I miss any original research here, to verify or falsify Adolf Hitlers source statement. Again a case where the WP claims of neutrality,objectivity and scientific approach show out as very ridiculous. Is there always special measures and criteria just when jews are in focus? How come? Maybe because they consider them self as Gods chosen people above all others? So please explain this act of censoreship to me and the world, or you will have a longgoing edit war all over english WP ! I promise you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.196.39.106 (talk) 18:34, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

All I have to explain is that your last (reverted) contribution to this discussion was in violation of WP:TALK, WP:SOAP, WP:FORUM, and numerous other policies and guidelines, and if you persist in your stated intention to carry out a disruptive "edit war" to make a point, you will undoubtedly find yourself banned from wikipedia, including all sockpuppets or IP addresses you care to use. Please read the above links, as well as WP:POINT, and consider carefully your steps. The ONLY legitimate purpose of this page is to discuss potential improvements to the article Bob Marley, not a general forum on Mein Kampf's views on Judaism. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 19:01, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

i see you don´t get the point, or you don´t wont to because of racial/religious prejudice about hindus and jews. Maybe.

Legitimate purpose haha.Rules this rules that, Hitler made rules too. You WP people always hide behind your rules, like Adolf Eichmann did.

Why is it of encyclopedic value to report the views of a possibly comercially interested author about hindus allegedly praising Bob Marley as reincarnation of God Vishnu? First of all, do they? Second, are there any preliminaries or instances for hindus about who can be called reincarnation of Vishnu and who not? Or is this defined by the writer of any magazine? And what if this statement is experienced as an insult by hindus? Plus that it may be a objectively false statement? And can this be considered inflammatory too?

But ok, not for hindus, only for jews?

And the other point: You threaten me with IP banning, you intolerant fascist bastard? Just because your personal opinion is on the side of a murderous intolerant religious ideology like the Jewish-Christian one? Maybe you should first read the bible once, before you propagate tolerance for such an intolerant religious ideology like judaism and christianity! Didn´t you get that a Jewish-Christian-Crusade terrorist killed almost 80 people in Norway some days ago? ITS MY HUMAN RIGHT TO BRING MY VIEW INTO WIKIPEDIA, AS LONG AS I CAN CITE A KNOWN SOURCE, YOU HYPOCRITE ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.196.39.106 (talk) 19:25, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

So now disrupting WP with whatever crap you want is considered a "human right"? LOL ! I thought this website was privately owned. If we let everybody disrupt every page because it is their "human right" there would be chaos. That's why we can revert discussion that isn't about improving the article, or turns the page into a soapbox, allow only discussion about improving the article, and tell everyone else to get a blog. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 20:36, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Bogus "Hopi prophecy" claims

As above with the silly claims about "Marley = Vishnu," there is no reputable evidence for the claims about Marley being the fulfillment of Hopi and/or Havasupai prophecies. These are arrogant ethnocentric stoner claims by "trust-fund hippy" Anglos seeking to appropriate Native religious beliefs for their own hazy cannabis-addled purposes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.152.206 (talk) 01:59, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

It is certainly a red flag if the only sources making these claims can be traced to Marley's own archivist. Viriditas (talk) 03:46, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

IP 97, setting aside your own quasi-racist-ignorance, the "Hopi-Marley" connection is listed in many references. Do you have any references that call it into question?

- BobMarley.com (official site) = "the Hopi Indians of New Mexico"

- According to the Navajo Hopi Observer in 2007 a Hopi-owned promotion company (presumably not "Anglo") brought Bob Marley's son Stephen Marley to perform on the Hopi reservation.

- Bob Marley: The Untold Story pg 16 "amongst the Hopi people of New Mexico" etc etc.

There are dozens which you are free to look up yourself. So far, all we have is your WP:OR and potentially offensive claims about "stoner" "Anglos".  Redthoreau -- (talk) 00:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

None of those links back up the claim in the article of him being a fulfillment to a "Hopi prophecy". Certainly if it were true, it would have been mentioned in the Hopi Observer article. I am changing the wording of the claim.--Chimino (talk) 11:19, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Spam Link

note 44 points you to a spam link, please remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.8.192 (talk) 10:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)