Talk:Body and Soul (Joe Jackson album)

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Artwork

Isn't it worth mentioning the cover art is a tribute to Sonny Rollins, Vol. 2? Note: the cover art with that article is missing, but if you don't know what it looks like just follow the AllMusic link. The Seventh Taylor (talk) 22:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Following lack of feedback and new mentioning of an entirely different (but not really specific) album by "Gene Krupa, the noted jazz drummer who worked with Benny Goodman", I have gone ahead and made the change. Note that the Sonny Rollins album is now visible with the wikipedia article. For easy comparison however I've embedded both side by side here. The Seventh Taylor (talk) 01:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

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Liner notes

I wish people would leave this alone. This album was a milestone in digital recording history, and the liner notes reflect this. SO LEAVE THEM THERE!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.11.17.185 (talk) 21:14, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

What you say about them album is probably true, but the liner notes are copyrighted, and as is made clear at the bottom of every editing page "Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted". This will remain the case. The liner notes can be used as a source for content as long as only short quotations are used and full attribution is given. The rest can be paraphrased, but not too closely. Graham Colm (talk) 21:38, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

If you look at reference #4, it cites the liner notes as the source! I am sure Joe Jackson or A&M Records is going to come downon this site because their infomation was used and cited. It's not like you get a bunch of money for this. I can now see why many people don't use this site for infomation, since correct information is deleted. I guess this site is just an opinion piece, as cited facts don't seem to matter.......

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Joofjoof (talk) 23:29, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that Joe Jackson's 1984 album Body and Soul emulated the artwork of the 1957 jazz album Sonny Rollins, Vol. 2? Guardian wrote, "unapologetically mimicked the cover of saxophonist Sonny Rollins’ 1957 release, Volume 2."[1]

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2021 College Football Playoff National Championship
• Comment: Expanded from 746 characters (148 words) on January 11, to 6899 characters (1155 words) on January 16, which surpasses the 5× requirement.

5x expanded by Binksternet (talk). Self-nominated at 05:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC).

• Roll Tide Binksternet--I'm having a look at the article (thanks--it's one of my favorites). Drmies (talk) 21:30, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

• Long enough, new enough, hook is fine and verified, etc. Thanks for expanding this, and yes, "Go For It" is not a good song. Drmies (talk) 21:39, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

• Heh heh... I'm sure it has its place, but in this album it doesn't fit. Personally, I love his atmospheric/cinematic stuff the best. The natural reverb on the album is amazing. You should hear it on my super-duper-neutral powered monitor speakers from Slovenia. Binksternet (talk) 22:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

• Actually, my first impression of "Go For It" back in 1984 was that Joe was making a bald play for commercial endorsement. I wonder if any companies ever offered to pay him licensing on their adverts. Maybe if the song had been more successful, familiar to more people... Binksternet (talk) 22:26, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Wetrorave (talk · contribs) 14:53, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

I'll be remembering you reviewing this

Infobox and lead

• At File:JoeJacksonBodyAndSoul.jpg, you might want to present a better source than Discogs, which is user-generated; this one, which is from the External links section
• Where is it stated in the body of the article that the album was recorded in January 1984
• Length isn't mentioned in the body
• Following MOS:LEAD, the lead shouldn't have references; rather, it should summarize the body of the article, and the body itself should have references
• "Body and Soul is an album by Joe Jackson, released in March 1984.^[3] The album was Jackson's seventh studio album, and his first fully digital project. In the UK it peaked at No. 14," > "Body and Soul is the seventh studio album by English singer-songwriter Joe Jackson, released on 14 March 1984 by A&M Records. Jackson's first fully digital project, it peaked at No. 14 in the UK,"
• The Professional ratings template should be after the first paragraph of Release and reception, and "Allmusic" should be "AllMusic"

Production

• Retitle to Background and production
• "first discussing it over sushi" – why is it relevant to mention that they were eating sushi, and what exactly does this sentence mean? Were they discussing it while they were eating sushi (which would be "first discussing it while eating sushi"), or did the discussion have a higher priority than the sushi they were eating (which would be "first discussing it rather than discussing the sushi they were eating")?
• "the soundtrack of Mike's Murder," > the soundtrack of Mike's Murder,

Release and reception

• "The album was" > "Body and Soul was"
• Where is Body and Soul mentioned at ref 13
• "Shewey was less impressed with the" > "However, the writer was less positive regarding the"
• "which sounded to him like an Elvis Costello track from the Get Happy!! project (1980)." > "which he compared to musician Elvis Costello's tracks from the album Get Happy!! (1980)."
• "Shewey thought Jackson's [...] was "a bracing," > "Shewey praised Jackson's [...] for its "bracing,"
• "published a glowing review, characterizing" > "characterized" for neutrality
• "On the other hand," – this is possibly a cliché, so change it to "However,"

Musical style

• This section should be before Release and reception
• File:Joe Jackson - 1984 - Loisaida sample.mp3 has a good-looking rationale
• "an alcoholic attorney making good." – making good? What does that mean

Track listing

• Looks good

Personnel

• Needs a source

Charts

• The refs should be alongside the numbers, not the chart names

References

• Copyvio score looks ok
• Cite AllMusic as publisher on ref 1
• Replace Allmusic.com on ref 5 with AllMusic
• On ref 12, change Grammy.com to Grammy and cite it as publisher
• Cite Official Charts as publisher on ref 13

External links

• Looks good

Overall

 On hold for now:

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

The article does have its amount of problems but is still close to GA. Wetrorave (talk) 14:53, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay I have performed a bunch of fixes. Sushi removed, refs shifted from lead paragraph to body, some text added to body to satisfy LEAD. I beefed up the touring paragraph and gave it its own section. I moved discussion of the artwork down into its own section and expanded it somewhat. I think "making good" is can be kept: it appears in the dictionary.[2]

How we lookin' now? Binksternet (talk) 21:18, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

It's lookin' good now Binksternet, and there's additional changes too. Seems like a nice ✓ Pass to me. Wetrorave (talk) 04:17, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

who wrote the liner notes?

I noticed that the author of the liner notes is not mentioned anywhere on the original album. If the name of the author is known, it would be informative to add it to the article. 2001:985:CA4:1:3C5B:B193:899A:4773 (talk) 12:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

It's there already. The liner notes are referenced to:

• David Kershenbaum (February 1984). Body and Soul (CD liner notes). A&M Records. A&M CD5000.

Hope that helps. Binksternet (talk) 14:42, 24 November 2021 (UTC)