Talk:Bon Cop, Bad Cop

Box Office "context"

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bon_Cop%2C_Bad_Cop&diff=85075819&oldid=85055409

I don't think films are compared to Star Wars accounting for inflation, if the CBC and others say it is the highest grossing film, then I say we give it its proper title --The Hobo 15:40, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I absolutely agree - when a new film comes out and does well, most of the time it sets a new box-office record. No one sits down and starts calculating that it cost $2 to go to a movie in 1975 but $12 now, so it isn't a record. It took in what it took in, and that is the most dollars to date. If you want to argue numbers then pull up a number of tickets sold/butts in seats statistic. It still grossed the most money and that's what the statement was. It also COST 21st century dollars to make and distribute - what did Porky's cost, $16.78US? --CokeBear 13:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Change of vocabulary

I believe a reference can be made to the change of subtitles depending on the version. For example, when David was talking about Toronto, he said "Peu-etre Toronto n'est pas si plat (Toronto may not be so boring/dull after all)", however the subtitled said "Toronto may be ok after all". Canking 07:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Subtitles typically simplify the dialogue a little bit, since generally people don't read as fast as the actors speak. That translation certainly seems within acceptable limits. Peter Grey 14:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

What is the definition of acceptable limits? I agree that the translation otherwise is fine but can criticisms not be mentioned? I don't mean to attack the movie needlessly however I believe some points deserve mention. I originally put that there are over 4 times as many francophones in Ontario as in New Brunswick and I cited this according to statcan.ca... Could there be a section even in regards to inaccuracies? The Hotel Rwanda page as an example of this about how the movie differs from the current state of things. Canking 21:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

To truly enjoy this film I believe you need to be biligual. That is probably why the film is more popular in Québec. Although they do not want to admit it, I'm sure most of them know plenty of English.

You're right on both counts. 74.110.71.97 03:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Complete nonsense with regards to Anglo-French sensibilites

From a social-and cultural point of view, I found this movie to be a complete reversal of the reality of way it actually is with French guys vs. Anglo guys. The movie promotes the useless stereotype of the uptight, unsexy, boring Anglo, versus the cool, laid-back streetwise Frenchman. For any of you that have ever spent significant time in Quebec, you'll be well aware that the opposite is actually true. The sad reality is that French guys of the age group shown are neurotic, and are dependent on their parents still, as well as blissfully unware of matters outside of Quebec, and completely out of touch. Contrary to popular media, women do not find them irresistable. The "Bohemian" lifestyle? Uh..we call that "lazy" down in Southern Ontario. The popularity of this film outside of Quebec shows you exactly what English Canada thinks of such stereotypes. My two cents on behalf of Anglo-Canadians. 74.101.223.160 04:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The movie is not exactly a documentary. Peter Grey 06:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I am an Anglo-Canadian (and Ontarian, although I have lived in a lot of places including Toronto) and I find your comments (both above and below) to be a little offensive, and somewhat sheltered (ironically). First of all, a lot of "Toronto"-type people look at much of the rest of Canada as lazy, and usually without justification. That's why so many Canadians HATE Toronto (I know, amazing, but it isn't because they are all just jealous). Putting aside the very obvious aspect that the movie was intended to have a farce aspect... the most obvious thing that you missed was that the Anglo women found the Franco cop exotic and attractive, and the same situation reversed applied to the French women - both the barmaid and the ex-wife were interested in the "exotic" OPP detective. The movie intends to play on stereotypes, that is the whole point, and if you can't remove the stick long enough to laugh a little at yourself you're missing a huge part of the film's charm. There is a line where Ward says something like, "He works 75 hours a week, which for Quebec I take it is a lot" poking fun at EXACTLY the kind of attitude you are showing here. Looks like your own insecurities ruined your grasp of that aspect of the film. --CokeBear 13:16, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I realize that, but a comedy should play on stereotypes or twsiting of stereotypes. Getting it completely backwards from the real stereotype ends up being not funny, and a strict no-sell outside of Quebec. Please someone find me a streetwise Quebecquois man ~30 yo. 74.101.223.160 20:12, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The movie had its weaknesses, but it wasn't trying to be realistic; the whole premise was contrived and artificial. The story is not simply stereotypes, and Bouchard is not a random Quebec francophone, he is a professional detective (compare him with his boss). Now, it's actually a very interesting question why the movie had a difference in popularity between anglophone and francophone audiences, but I don't see realism being the main factor. Peter Grey 21:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe the most erroneous stereotype comes from the director himself. A Southern Ontarian was selected to represent English Canada but there are massive cultural differences within English Canada that could have been at least mentioned. A Torontonian is far more like a Montrealer than a Newfie for example. How about a Cape Brettoner to a Calgarian? So in essence, the false belief in Quebec that Canada constitues essentially two cultures; that of French Canada (primarily Quebec) and that of English Canada is clearly evident. The cover picture of the movie would have been better with the Trillium and fleur-de-lys instead of the Maple Leaf and Fleur-de-lys. Canking 02:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I've lived in Cape Breton, and have friends in Calgary, and I'd like to point out that many Calgarians ARE Capers, "working away". Just sayin'. --CokeBear 13:16, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, the idea of " 'dem versus us " Quebequois mentality is a bit played out. The realism in the movie is lacking. Even a comedy must have a plausible premise to be successful. To be honest, this movie is a film representation of Quebec bigotry, as I see it. No wonder nobody "gets it". The Torontonian similar to Montrealer vs. Newfie you mentioned is preposterous, though. There are scarce similarities TO'er vs. MTL'er, other than they are city-dwellers. 74.101.223.160 23:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Well city dwellers do have many commonalities no matter what city they live in. City Dwellers don't rely on cars as much, they weigh less and their views towards world issues are different because cities are more multicultural. I can show you articles outlining these distinctions if you like but I imagine you agree with me to some extent though. Anyways, I do agree with you completely that there are large differences between Torontonians and Montrealers and people from St. John's and I was only using this example to show how rediculous any sort of prejudice like this is. Do you believe this biased view of the director or something along those lines should be included in the article? Canking 03:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Cut the bickering. Look at you guys: arguing about the accuracy of a stereotype. Do I have to repeat that one more time? Accuracy of a stereotype. I believe the term oxymoron applies here. Stereotypes are just empty labels for quick audience recognition. Who's talking about any type of correlation between one stereotype to one cultural faction? They could have been switched just as easily and the movie would have been no different. And comon, I think it's obvious that the success of this bilingual movie has more to do with the fact that quebec has a much stronger english-french bilingual population than the rest of Canada than the fact that Quebecois are portrayed as being "more hip".DMZ 05:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, drop the "oxy" and you pinpoint the level of the argument quite accurately...--CokeBear 13:16, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

...Oh yeah. As if portrayal of Quebecers in various anglo-canadian media was much more accurate. Sure, there's a lot of bigotry going on in La Belle Province, but don't start thinking that you guys are above it. If anything, these few comments up there just prove my point more. *shrugs* As for the bilingualism thing, yeah, more than a few Quebecers can more of less speak english. Or at least, in my immediate surroundings. Why can't you guys learn some french too? /rant --Dez26 18:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dez26 (talk • contribs)

I took this as an Ontario/Quebec film, in part because I think part of the reason they cooperated was to keep the RCMP out (I think that's the justification for Surete de Quebec/OPP coop), whereas the rest of us (with I think the exception of Nfld) have the RCMP. Looking at Cape Breton stereotypes, or BC stereotypes (where I'm from ) would be another film. Are we known for being uptight and wearing turtlenecks where I live? Heck no, more like potsmoking, organic food eating, etc. But I didn't feel it was addressing all of English Canada, or intending to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.135.87 (talk) 07:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Contradiction

The summary box on the right says that the Quebec premier was August 4th, but near the bottom of the page, under "Box office success" it says July 4th. Which is it? Frasor 06:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

CBC says August 4th[1]. Peter Grey 16:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hockey

How does the hockey background to the story tally with reality - is it based on anything real ? I note the Buttman / Bettman match. Are the victims based on real people ? -- Beardo 05:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I see this on IMDB: "Let's start with the first one: Fred Grossbut. That would be Marcel Aubut from Quebec City, who owned and sold the Nordiques to Denver ( they were renamed The Avalanches - and did win the Stanley cup that first year ) Branded by some as a traitor, he became the most hated guy in Quebec City for a long long while ... "Gross - but" translates literally into "fat - goal".

The female victim ( Flabcheeks ? )probably refers to Bonnie Lindros ( Eric's mommy ) who's blamed by the Nordiques fans in having a say in Eric Lindros' decision not to play for Quebec.

Harry Buttman - hockey commissioner Gary Bettman's likeness, who didn't make a lot of friends with hockey fans during the strike a couple of years ago ( http://www.FireBettman.com )

For Brisset, unfortunately, my memory fails me here, sorry.

And Tom Berry sounds a lot like Don Cherry, the colorful Hockey Night in Canada host. "

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479647/board/nest/76022795 -- Beardo 15:21, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Pickleton is Peter Pocklington. That implies that the source for Erica Flabcheeks is someone connected to Wayne Gretzky. -- Beardo 10:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I think she may be a reference to Colleen Howe, wife of Gordie Howe, who was mentioned as the first female agent on one website. Though I don't know know why her alter ego got such an unpleasant name. -- Beardo 16:57, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

My guess is that "Flabcheeks" is meant as a euphemism for "fat ass". Bearcat (talk) 21:14, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

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