Talk:Bras Basah MRT station

Photos required

some better ones than the two currently displayed in this article. The station the subject of this article was named the World Transport Building of the Year in 2009. It therefore deserves some really top class photos. A good idea of the sorts of photos required can be gleaned from the webside of WOHA, the architects of the station. There must be a Singapore based Wikieditor who could take some similar photos and upload them. Bahnfrend (talk) 08:39, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 17:13, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Comments

• What is CC2 at the head of the infobox?
  • The station code--ZKang123 (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
    • I asked because it's not explained or referenced. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:01, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
      • Well it is used on official maps. See here. Should I have put it in the lead, or just left in the infobox (btw we have just removed station codes from the lead, I'm afraid.)--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
        • It needs to be somewhere in the article other than just unexplained in the infobox. And referenced, of course. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
          • All right, added in the station details services section.--ZKang123 (talk) 00:53, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
• What's WOHA?
  • WOHA seems to be the name itself, in capital letters. See official website--ZKang123 (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
• "in Museum planning area" in the Museum Planning Area.
  •  Fixed
• SOTA is defined but never used.
  •  Fixed Removed abbreviation--ZKang123 (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
• Consider linking "interchange" for non-experts.
  •  Fixed Linked--ZKang123 (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
• "Marina Line" - capital L here for some reason, and does this actually exist?
  • Yes it did, but later merged into the Circle line. Check this book page 36.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
    • "Marina Line Architectural Design Competition" capitalises Line again. Be consistent. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:02, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
• World Architecture Festival has an article.
  •  Fixed
• "The Contract 825 ..." no need for The here.
  •  Fixed
• Image captions which aren't complete sentences should not have a full stop.
  •  Fixed
• "S$343.94 million " could this be converted to something more common, e.g. US$ or Euro?
  •  Fixed used USD--ZKang123 (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
• "The contract also includes " included.
  •  Fixed used USD--ZKang123 (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
• " on 10 June 2002.[4] On 15 March 2003," repetitive prose.
  •  Fixed
• "The station opened ..." avoid single-sentence paras.
  •  Fixed
• Infobox, what's referencing the postal address?
  •  Fixed used street directory and yoursingaporemap.com
• Infobox, what's DT21?
  • Station code for Bencoolen. Removed code as it's not necessary.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
• Infobox, bus and taxi don't need to be capitalised.
  •  Fixed
• ' 42 metres (138 ft)),[10" spare closing parenthesis there
  •  Fixed
• the "deepest" and "longest escalator" records need context, i.e. deepest in the MRT?
  •  Fixed
• ' allows improvement in ' -> improves.
  •  Fixed
• "he ventilation shafts of the station also blended" replace "also" with "are".
  •  Fixed Used active instead of passive (blends into)--ZKang123 (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
• "of view lines across" are "view lines" the same as "views"?
  •  Fixed Rephrased to "avoiding obstruction of the view across the site to the surrounding civic buildings"--ZKang123 (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
• "civic buildings.[13][11]" ref order.
• What is AIA?
  •  Fixed American Institute of Architects--ZKang123 (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
• "as part of the Art-in-Transit programme at the station" was this programme MRT-wide or just at this single station?
  •  Fixed MRT-wide.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
• "The video also (re-)visits..." this whole sentence reads like a copy/paste from a travel blog.
  • Eh well, I lifted it from the description.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:45, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
    • If it's a quote, put it in quote marks. Otherwise it needs re-writing as it's not encyclopedic in tone. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:03, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
      •  Done
• Avoid SHOUTING in the refs.
  •  Fixed
• numerical ranges in ref titles should be en-dash.
  •  Fixed

That's all I have on a first pass. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 17:13, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

• "glass roof, which is the key feature of the station." glass isn't mentioned anywhere other than in this image caption, so if it's a "key feature" then I would expect it to be covered in the article too. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:04, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
  •  Fixed Changed glass roof to the reflective pool that's above the escalators. My oversight--ZKang123 (talk) 12:47, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

• Still some SHOUTING in the refs.
  •  Fixed
• What's LTA?
  •  Fixed Land Transport Authority--ZKang123 (talk) 23:29, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
• Ref 12 needs an accessdate.
  •  Done added date.--ZKang123 (talk) 23:29, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 20:07, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: are there other outstanding issues needed to be fixed?--ZKang123 (talk) 07:20, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok, happy with the changes so promoting to GA, good work. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:10, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!--ZKang123 (talk) 08:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Edge3 (talk) 05:20, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

( Comment or view )

( Article history links:

• Bras Basah MRT station
• Stadium MRT station

)

• ... that the designs of the Bras Basah and Stadium MRT stations by WOHA were commissioned through the Marina line Architectural Design Competition?

Improved to Good Article status by ZKang123 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:06, 27 January 2021 (UTC).

• Full review to follow, but perhaps more clearer hooks could be proposed here? The current hook doesn't really seem clear to non-Singaporeans since non-Singaporeans may not know what the "Marina Line Architectural Design Competition" is. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:47, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the designs of the Bras Basah and Stadium MRT stations by WOHA were commissioned through the Marina line Architectural Design Competition, an open international competition jointly held by the Singapore Land Transport Authority (LTA) and the Singapore Institute of Architects?

That's really really long, outside the 200 character requirement for hooks. Maybe try highlighting something unusual or interesting about the stations instead? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:51, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Maybe I will try shortening it:

• ALT2: ... that the Bras Basah and Stadium MRT stations' design by WOHA were commissioned through an open international architectural competition organised by the Singapore Land Transport Authority (LTA) and the Singapore Institute of Architects?

Alternatively I can try shortening it further and saying the following instead:

• ALT3: ... that the Bras Basah and Stadium MRT stations were designed by WOHA?

I don't really have any alternative DYK; these two happened to have intriguing designs.--ZKang123 (talk) 00:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Both of them seem really Singapore-centric and the ALT2 is too long per WP:DYKSG#C3. I am willing to allow ALT3 as a possible "click to know more hook" but only if there are no remaining viable options. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:27, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

NLH5 asked me off-wiki to look at this nomination. Maybe we can focus on aspects of the design, but we don't need the hook to only be a mention of who the designer was. How about these? Epicgenius (talk) 16:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

• ALT4: ... that Singapore's Bras Basah and Stadium MRT stations, designed by WOHA, both received an Award for International Architecture from the Australian Institute of Architects?
• ALT5: ... that the Bras Basah and Stadium MRT stations, designed by WOHA following a competition, both received numerous international architectural awards?

If these don't work, we can go with separate hooks for each station: Epicgenius (talk) 16:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

• ALTB1: ... that the Bras Basah MRT station, provisionally named "Museum" before its construction, was renamed for wet rice?
• ALTB2: ... that at 35 metres (115 ft) below ground level, the Bras Basah MRT station was the deepest Singapore MRT station when built?
• ALTS1: ... that the architect of Singapore's Stadium MRT station, forced to revise the design, simply rotated the original plan on its side?
• ALTS2: ... that to create the artwork for Singapore's Stadium MRT station, a Brazilian model performed moves over a trampoline?

Bras Basah MRT Station

• While the article would meet most of the DYK requirements for length, sourcing, hook verification and interest, the article was promoted to GA status in August 2020 and thus regrettably was nominated too late to qualify for DYK. As the nominator has no prior DYK credits, I would be willing to IAR here, but that would probably require a DYK discussion for approval. I note that the nominator indicated on Discord that they would have preferred a double hook; but due to the lateness concern along with how the individual suggestions appear to be far more eye-catching than the double hook proposals, this request will have to be declined for now. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:04, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Stadium MRT Station

• The article was promoted to GA status the day of this nomination, and both ALTS1 and ALTS2 are cited inline and verified in the sources. No QPQ is necessary for a first-time nominator. As both S1 and S2 are in my opinion excellent hooks, the choice of what hook to promote will be left to the promoter (I've made minor changes to both by mentioning that they're in Singapore). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:04, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

I will go with ALTS1 then. Thanks very much.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:22, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

• I've temporarily pulled the article from prep as the promoted hook (ALT4) was not approved due to one of the articles being DYK ineligible. If there is still a desire to promote a hook using that angle, I am offering a single article version below (again, the choice of the hook is left to the promoter, although the nom has indicated a preference for ALTS1):

• ALTS3: ... that Singapore's Stadium MRT station, designed by WOHA, received an Award for International Architecture from the Australian Institute of Architects?

Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:57, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

It is always possible to modify one of the double hooks (ALT4 or ALT5) for use by setting the Bras Basah MRT Station as a non-bold link, if that makes it more effective by mentioning two stations rather than one and not too long. In that case, though, I'd place the sole bold hook, Stadium MRT station, so it's first of the two stations listed. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)