Talk:Bright (film)

Something unusual about this...

... we seem to be giving professional film critics a weighting over popular audience views of this film. On Rotten Tomatoes, the audience view is actually far higher than the views of critics. - 89% favourable from audiences and 32% from critics. That’s rather striking... - 1.144.106.51 (talk) 01:15, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

If someone would like to explain why this is not relevant, I’d be very interested... - 1.144.106.51 (talk) 01:41, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. 31% / 91% now. Slightly conspiratorial one could speculate that critics hate that Netflix is closing down theaters and is transferring these dislikes unfairly to a solid movie. - Do critics just hate Netflix? I don't have any other real explanation for the discrepancy at this point... Anjoe (talk) 11:47, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

19% top critics on RT. Remarkable. This artcle says it outright, what's bad for Netflix is good for Hollywood: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/20/review-netflixs-bright-is-so-bad-its-a-holiday-gift-to-hollywood/#21da86de7b1a Anjoe (talk) 12:10, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Hmm... I had just added yesterday: "On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an audience score of 88% based on 14,575 reviews, with an average rating of 4.3/5.", and it was reverted in a day as "SPAM". Does that count as spam? I don't think so, but I'm willing to be corrected. Scraimer (talk) 07:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Looking more closely, this is the third such revert by TropicAces. Is this some kind of bot? Scraimer (talk) 08:01, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

In occult terms, the film critics are part of the "turtle-neck" world, which is the "Dwarves" in tolkien land, this movie doesn't use dwarves, but ugly orcs, so the movie is a kind of dig at "Dwarves" being ugly orcs. Film critics usually don't like movies that portray their kind in a negative way, they tend to over-rate tedious dark and foreboding movies, or similar, kind of like captain america civil war. I think the conspiracy about cinemas may be a fair point as well, as existing studios would have to change their marketing and all of that, but honestly the lizard-hollywood has been adapting to it fairly well, infact more "hollywood" content has been consumed now per person than ever, so I doubt it's this. The other point is, the movie is messy, a little too dark, clumsy and unpolished, even though it's good. It's one of those movies that is asking to be torn apart by critics and pedants, but generally has a good "vibe" about it and Will Smith is as bankable as ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.169.111 (talk) 13:21, 25 December 2017 (UTC) Also I'd add that this movie smacks heavily of being a "Scientology" movie, and the dwarves/orcs in real life hate scientology, so I'm assuming there's bias there ontop of the movies many flaws. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.169.111 (talk) 13:25, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

I agree with all of the above, I've never edited a wiki article, but I don't see that you can edit the first section. The 'Plot' section has a clearly labeled 'Edit' toggle. But not the first section. It should be edited to say "The film was released worldwide on Netflix on December 22, 2017 and received negative reviews from professional film critics, who criticized the writing, cinematography and heavy-handed social commentary, but received overwhelmingly positive viewer reviews."2601:18D:8A01:4B4E:D952:F546:906A:9E6B (talk) 23:20, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

The edit button for the first section is the edit button forthe whole page - in the command line at the top. -- Beardo (talk) 23:29, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

The Audience ratings on site’s like RT and IMDb aren’t reliable because they’re easily spammed and botted. Critics didn’t like the movie; nothing fishy about that, no grand DCEU conspiracy. Fans did enjoy it, great. But since it’s not a theatrical release there’s no ComScore or CinemaScore to go off of, so best we can do is give the numbers below like we did. TropicAces (talk) 19:35, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Safehouse

The safehouse at the start and the end of the chase belongs to the Shield of Light, not the Inferni. This is made clear several times during the film, not least by the fact that we see the assassin embedded in the wall invading the place killing everyone with the wand trying to take out Tikka.Misterandersen (talk) 07:06, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Not to mention the copious amounts of Shield of Light Iconography on the walls.Granarkadis (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:01, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

I need to watch the movie again to pick up on some of that stuff. -- Beardo (talk) 20:01, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2018

I saw that the plot summary needed a clean up, so here's my crack at it after watching the movie a second time. I tried my best to preserve the original text, while also condensing it.

Plot

Humans live alongside orcs, elves, and other fantasy races. Two thousand years ago, a Dark Lord was defeated by an army of nine races. Because many orcs served the Dark Lord, they have faced prejudice ever since.

In Los Angeles, where interracial tensions are especially high, police offer Daryl Ward has been paired with Nick Jakoby, the nation's first orkish police officer. Following an incident where he was shot by an orc and Jakoby failed to catch the assailant, Ward returns to active duty. Jakoby is hated by his human colleagues, whom many suspect let the orc escape due to ethnic loyalties, and is considered a traitor among orcs. During a trip back to the station, an arrested man tells Jakoby in Orkish that both officers are part of a prophecy and that Ward is blessed. The same man is later interrogated by Kandomere, an elfish federal agent who is part of the nation's Magic Task Force who specialize in handling magical contraband and Brights—people capable of safely using magic wands. The man is part of a fringe organization called the Shield of Light, who fear the return of the Dark Lord by the Inferni, a cult of elves who seek to resurrect him using magic wands and usher in a new age of magic and tyranny.

Later that night, Ward and Jakoby respond to a disturbance at what turns out to be a Shield safe house. After finding a number of corpses clearly killed by magic, they apprehend the sole survivor, a young elf named Tikka, who is in possession of a wand. Backup arrives, but the arriving officers intend to take the wand for themselves and murder Jakoby, and, once he's out of earshot, Ward. Ward confronts Jakoby about the truth of the orc who shot him, learning that Jakoby let the suspect escape because he had cornered the wrong person, a young orc boy, and realized that the responding officers would have shot an orc suspect on the spot. Confronted by their colleagues, Ward quickly guns down the corrupt officers to protect himself and Jakoby. The whole incident draws the attention of the local human gang, whose leader wants the wand. Ward, Jakoby, and Tikka flee with the wand under fire. Inferni soon arrive at the safe house led by Leilah, the wand's true owner, only to discover the wand and the traitor Tikka are gone.

A binding spell on the wand prevents it from traveling too far from its owner, destroying the officers' patrol vehicle and forcing the three on the foot. After the gang members flush them from their initial hiding place, they flee through the territory of the Fogteeth Orc clan, causing a violent confrontation between the gang and the clan. When the gang corners the trio, the Inferni appear and slaughter the gang, giving the trio the opportunity to escape again. Going to ground at a gas station, Ward gets into contact with Kandomere, who tells him that he will be safe from prosecution for killing the police officers for keeping the wand out of corrupt hands and plans to rendezvous with them. The Inferni arrive at the gas station, resulting in a brief confrontation before the three escape again.

The three run into the Fogteeth Clan again and are dragged before its leader, who is furious at the chaos that they caused in his territory, and suspects that they have a wand. After failing to find it, the clan leader urges his son to kill Jakoby. However, the young orc cannot bring himself to do it, since he was the one that Jakoby let escape. His father understands and kills Jakoby himself. Before he can kill Ward, Tikka reveals herself to be a Bright by revealing the wand and using it to resurrect Jakoby. Seeing it as part of a prophecy, the awed clan lets the three go. Realizing that the two officers can now be trusted, Tikka reveals her affiliation with the Inferni and that she is a traitor whom the Shield of Light had been protecting. However, the act of resurrecting Jakoby took a terrible toll on her, and she slowly begins to die. She shares that there is a magic pool beneath the Shield safe house that can save her, prompting the officers to return to the place their night began.

The Inferni have laid a trap and ambush the trio. Ward and Jakoby manage to kill the Inferni and make it to the pool, but Leilah heals herself. She incapacities the two officers, reclaims the wand, and attempts to persuade Tikka back to the Inferni, revealing that they are sisters. Jakoby manages to disarm Leilah, putting the wand between her and Ward. Though Leilah warns that touching the wand would cause him to explode, Ward opts to sacrifice everyone to keep the wand out of her hands and grabs it. Instead of dying, however, he discovers that he is a Bright. Tikka shouts an incantation that he repeats, causing Leilah to explode, setting the building on fire. Outside, the Fogteeth and federal agents arrive as the building goes up in a fireball. Ward and Jakoby try to escape, but cannot find Tikka in the chaos. Only Jakoby emerges from the burning building, but realizing that Ward fell behind, goes back and rescues him from the fire. The act of bravery endears Jakoby to the orcs, who finally recognize him as a true orc.

The next day in the isolation ward, Ward awakens with Jakoby at his bedside. When Kandomere appears, Jakoby volunteers the truth before Ward delivers a statement denying any involvement of magic activity or police corruption, seeing Kandomere wants to contain the incident. The Inferni are publicly labeled as simply an extremist group, and Ward and Jakoby are honored by the city for their actions. At the ceremony, Ward smiles as he spots Tikka walking through the crowd. Dragonzzilla (talk) 04:38, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 04:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Cast

In the cast section the other cops in Officer Ward and Jakoby’s unit are listed as working for Leilah. This is incorrect. They were specifically seeking to steal the wand for themselves, not in order to return it to her. I fact at no point in the film is it even implied they are aware of her, let alone on her payroll. It should be amended with the part about their working for Leila removed. Schlomo Johnson (talk) 06:33, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

removing my edits. What gives???

Tropics Aces is a LOSER. Had me blocked because I kept removing his edit. User Tropic Aces is 100% bias towards this film and should not be alllwed to edit. In the top section he puts that the movie received poor reviews. That info belongs in the reception tab. A critic review is literally just an opinion. Why are you putting opinions in the top section along with facts like release date, cast members etc. You claim it’s because the top section is an overall summary of the entire article, YET, you don’t include the POSTITVE audience reviews. You only mention the negative critic reviews. This shows and proves your blatant bias and personal agenda to bring the film you disliked down. The audience review has its OWN tab within the page; so per YOUR logic it should be summarized up top as well!!!!!! Joeblacko (talk) 05:25, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Firstly, no personal attacks, if you please. Secondly - as per my edit summary: This is a reasonable summary of the movies reception, and is supported by the rest of the article. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:06, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

@Joeblacko: @Chaheel Riens: first, I didn’t block you. Second, you’re only proving who here is bias and in the wrong here. You’re going against Wikipedia guidelines because you liked the film and don’t like that critics didn’t. TropicAces (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

If you guys can't find a workable compromise, there's always the dispute resolution noticeboard, or you could hold a request for comments. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:59, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

uncited stats of Netflix views

Noticed this: "became one of the site's most streamed programs ever" in the top section. The citation makes no mention of this, and Netflix is notoriously opaque about their viewership numbers, so this claim really needs a citation. Kohl Gill (talk) 17:22, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

WP:UGC Audience score not allowed.

Audience scores are not normally allowed because they are WP:UGC user voted web polls, not reliable sources. I don't see any discussion here to suggest an exception was made in the case of this article. Was there a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS to allow the Rotten Tomatoes audience score to be included in this article? Is there a local consensus to allow it now?

In keeping with WP:UGC I think the Rotten Tomatoes audience score should be removed from this article. All the other Audience response information with proper sources is fine, I'm only saying that RT audience score is as unreliable here as in most other articles. The reliable sources aren't specifically contrasting the RT critic score against the RT audience score either, there seems to be no good exception to keep it here. -- 109.76.147.161 (talk) 01:38, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

It seems to have been recently (March 2019) added by User:CaliCoastReplay

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bright_(film)&diff=888425603&oldid=888425193 with the edit summary "Added viewer success reference"

It looks like it was added in good faith by someone unfamiliar with the guidelines on user generated content. It does not look like there was any discussion to allow this exception.

If this score is to be included why not also include the IMDB user voted score and others? I recommend deleting the Rotten Tomatoes Audience score. If it isn't removed or there isn't a local consensus to keep it after a week or so then I will follow the WP:UGC guideline and remove only the RT audience score. -- 109.76.147.161 (talk) 01:48, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Removed per WP:UGC. Discuss if you think we should make an exception in this case. -- 109.76.200.81 (talk) 16:27, 5 August 2019 (UTC)