Talk:Brihadisvara Temple

Nandi

The Nandi weighs 27 tonnes and is probably the largest in the world and said to be installed later in the 16th Century.

I think the Nandi in Mysore is bigger than this one. --202.141.25.92 05:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Nandi in Gangaikondacholapuram is said to bigger than Tanjore nandi. Praveen 20:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

The Nandi in Gagaikondacholapuram is not the original one as it was constructed later. Nandi in Thanjavur is bigger than the Nandi in Mysore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.60.17.158 (talk) 02:57, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanjavur Temple for Featured Picture

I'll be happy if someone could second my entry for 'featured picture':-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Picture_peer_review/Thanjavur_Big_Temple

-Ravichandar84 03:19, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Crown

In the wikipedia site the following is said

"The 'Shikharam' (crown) of Peruvudayar Temple is itself very large and heavy (81.25 tons) and has been carved out of a single stone"

According to the Archaelogocal society of India (ASI), this is not true. They have evidence that suggest the crown was made from many stones. We need somebody from ASI to contribute to this site

 "It is very clearly mentioned in writing at the entrance of the temple that the Crown is made up of 8 pieces"

At one place in the article:

"The Kalash or 'Chikharam' (apex or the bulbous structure on the top) of the temple is not carved out of a single stone as widely believed"

And at another place in the same article:

"The apex of the tower is the octagonal single stone granite piece of 81.25 tons"

No the above statement is wrong. It was not made of single stone. It is made of several stones resembling the top view of orange. The statement regarding that "the shadow will not touch the ground is also wrong". only the Shadow of Kalash will not fall down on earth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.118.3 (talk) 06:00, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

This is self-contradictory.. please clarify. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.245.168.33 (talk) 16:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

First temple built of granite

The lead section says that Peruvudayar Temple is the world's "first complete granite temple". The claim is sourced to an Indian government website, but it's a list of trivial facts with no detail, and I don't think the fact-checking was very careful. (The page says, for instance, that Varanasi is the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world, which is a contentious issue that depends on how one measures "continuous".) More seriously, the UNESCO site about these Chola temples says that Peruvudayar is built partly of brick. And The Complete Temples of Ancient Egypt, by Richard H. Wilkinson, says (pp. 104–105) that Behbeit el-Hagar, which is in ruins now but was built in the second or third century BC, was made entirely of granite. Therefore, I am removing the problematic passage. A. Parrot (talk) 05:06, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

The temple diety is one of the tallest Shiva lingam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.234.97.114 (talk) 09:12, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Largest Temple

The lead section claims that Brihadeeswar temple is the largest temple in the world. The claimed source is not in public domain and the fact cannot be verified. However, it is a well known fact that larger temples exist, or in other words, Brihadeeswar temple is not the largest of the temples. For reference, see the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_large_Hindu_temples, with legitimate sources.

98.222.193.118 (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Importance has been made to top in india and hindu categories as it is a world heritage temple of significant tourism and cultural impact that requires substantial work in writing

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Title

@Ssriram mt:, others: Why Brihadeeswarar Temple title? ASI, Encyclopedia Britannica, UNESCO, George Michell (p. 6), etc all use the Brhadisvara or Brihadeshvara spelling. Any evidence that the common name is Brihadeeswarar? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:53, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

The Indic name has a "yee" sound. I would suggest naming it Big temple, which is the common name.Ssriram mt (talk) 06:35, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

English is not phonetic. The "i" or "e" can be pronounced as "ee". Perhaps we can add IAST to clarify this. But we need to stick to the common name verifiable in scholarly secondary and tertiary sources. On "Big temple", we can mention that as local name in the main article, but we should stick to the title that is verifiable in predominant number of RS. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 12:50, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

@Utcursch: Any thoughts? Apparently the page move is locked. Would you know where the discussion, or RfC if any, about the title is? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:52, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Ms Sarah Welch:, I have just gone through the history of the page. I saw the page was initially created as Brihadisvara Temple, which was later renamed to Brihadeeswara temple. I don't think any discussion happened over this at that time. It would also be better if we can go through page move history. I would also suggest to stick to RS and rename page to Brihadisvara or Brihadeshvara. But just for information- I saw news articles about the temple used all the three spellings Brihadisvara/Brihadeeswara/Brihadeeswarar. agasthyathepirate(talk) 05:44, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

23:45, 14 October 2006‎ Thinknirmal (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (6,892 bytes) (0)‎ . . (moved Brihadisvara Temple to Brihadeeswarar Temple: The title is misspelled.) (undo | thank)

agasthyathepirate: Thanks for the helpful check. About news articles, a potential problem is WP:CIRCULAR. Journalists can be reliable source for news-events, but an unreliable source for history / spellings / interpretation / etc. Scholars, tertiary publications, regional officials such as those at Archaeological Survey of India etc would be our better sources for title spelling. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 12:34, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

@Ms Sarah Welch: I agree that the name in more reliable sources, such as scholarly books/journal articles should be preferred. Thinknirmal's move seems to have been undiscussed. You can wait a couple of days for others to contribute to this discussion, and make a bold move if no one opposes your suggestion. Otherwise, you can request a move. utcursch | talk 01:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Ms Sarah Welch: The term 'Brihadiswara' temple and all its other forms are tantamount to cultural appropriation. There are no sanskrit inscriptions at this temple. It's not locally referred to as 'Brihadiswara' temple, but rather as 'Rajarajeswaram' or as 'Peruvudaiyar' temple. This new sanskritized naming is nothing but a ploy to deny Tamil people of their heritage. Please consider renaming and moving.

Requested move 21 November 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 04:26, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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Brihadeeswarar Temple → Brihadisvara Temple, Thanjavur – See WP:RS links and reasons above by @Utcursch:, others and I. Since there are other Brihadisvara Temple such as at Gangakondacholisvaram, adding Thanjavur makes sense. This request is being submitted after the discussion last week, due wait and no further comments. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:55, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

• Support. The references in the article mention various transliterations of the name, but "Brihadisvara" seems to be the most common one among the reliable sources (see collapsed text below).
• Support- would like to have the same for Brihadeeswarar Temple, Gangaikonda Cholapuram, which is its replica.Ssriram mt (talk) 06:30, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Analysis of sources in the article

Brihadisvara Archaeological Survey of India UNESCO South Indian Shrines: Illustrated by P. V. Jagadisa Ayyar Sri Brihadisvara: The Great Temple of Thānjavūr by Ē. Kē Cēṣāttiri BBC Brihadishvara https://www.britannica.com/place/Thanjavur-India Architecture and Art of Southern India by George Michell Brihadishwara Atlas of the Year 1000 by John Man Introduction to Indian Architecture by Bindia Thapar Bṛhadīśvara IGNCA Brihadeshwara / Dakshinameru / Rajarajeshwara A Global History of Architecture by Francis D. Ching Big Temple The Hindu Brihadeeshwara The Hindu Brihadeeswarar The Hindu Brihadeeswara rediff.com The New Indian Express Brhadeeswarar Deccan Herald

• Support. As per reliable sources - agasthyathepirate(talk) 06:00, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2020

To be change from Brihadisvara Temple(Marathi) to Peruvudayar Temple(Tamil). 199.102.108.16 (talk) 07:27, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

But that's not its current title. In any case, you need to show how WP:COMMONNAME backs this request. Doug Weller talk 08:48, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Brihadeeswarar Temple is not a proper name, that is not Tamil name, In Tamil it is called as Peruvudayar Temple, So where ever the owner maintained the name like Brihadeeswarar we need to change the origin name "Peruvudayar" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.102.108.16 (talk) 11:15, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:45, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2020

You haven't mentioned about one interesting fact of this temple. This temple casts no shadow on the ground. 103.233.122.29 (talk) 05:55, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 10:02, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

It's a myth, the shadow does fall on the ground. Proof is here OpenMindedBloke (talk) 09:34, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2020

The name should be changed from Brihadisvara to Periya Kovil as it's a Tamil Temple. Debtprograms (talk) 17:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Seagull123 Φ 21:08, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Requesting everyone to call this temple as Peruvudaiyar Kovil

It is Peruvudaiyār Kōvil and lets call with the same name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sathya22$ (talk • contribs) 07:31, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Exactly. 'Peruvudaiyar koil' or 'Peruvudaiyar temple' is the correct name to call and why this name is always masked and calling in that peculiar alien word. Everyone in Tamil nadu is known only by the name Periya koil (big temple). Also from 2015 onwards this temple suddenly getting a new name called as Dakshina Meru . This word currently exists from 2015 onwards and again this is clear political. So remove this name which neither called or mentioned in any history books and literatures SarkarVijay (talk) 14:42, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Exactly, it should be called peruvudaiyar Koil or Rajarajeshwaram. 117.213.102.215 (talk) 17:38, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Exactly no one in Tanjavur or in Tamilnadu know this name as brihadeshwara. Everyone knows it as Tanjavur periya kovil or Tanjai peru udaiyar kovil SarkarVijay (talk) 10:33, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Architec of temple

I noticed name of the architec of this temple removed it was "Kunjara Mallam Raja Raja Perumthachan"

Please add this back and give respect to those who was behind this work

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Brihadeshwara Temple.

• ... that the Brihadeshwara Temple in Thanjavur, India was built without laying a foundation and no glue or cement was used? Source: https://english.newstracklive.com/news/tamil-nadu-7-secrets-of-vrudeeshwara-temple-in-thanjavur-mc23-nu764-ta764-ta277-1122402-1.html#:~:text=You%20will%20be,never%20be%20separated.

Created by SuprathiHi (talk). Self-nominated at 05:40, 8 February 2022 (UTC).

• While the citation in the nomination checks out, the citation & the information (searched on the words foundation, glue, & cement) are not mentioned in the article. Also, the article is not new, has not been expanded five-fold, nor has it achieved good article status. Peaceray (talk) 06:04, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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Peruvudaiyar Kovil

Its Peruvudaiyar Kovil 2402:3A80:CEA:7675:0:0:66E1:F023 (talk) 17:57, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Change it to Peruvudaiyar koil and not Brihadisvara Temple, Thanjavur

Exactly. 'Peruvudaiyar koil' or 'Peruvudaiyar temple' is the correct name to call and why this name is always masked and calling in that peculiar alien word. Everyone in Tamil nadu is known only by the name Periya koil (big temple). Also from 2015 onwards this temple suddenly getting a new name called as Dakshina Meru . This word currently exists from 2015 onwards and again this is clear political. So remove this name which neither called or mentioned in any history books and literatures SarkarVijay (talk) 14:43, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Because this is English Wikipedia, English-language sources outweigh local Tamil usage. In English, Brihadisvara Temple appears to be universally used, while the other terms mentioned in article lead don't even register due to an extremely small or zero usage. See https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Peruvudaiyar+koil%2CPeruvudaiyar+Kovil%2CThanjai+Periya+Kovil%2CBrihadisvara+Temple%2CRajarajeshwaram&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3 —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 21:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

The Temple is located in the state of Tamil Nadu, built by the Tamil king. I don't understand the logic that "Because this is English Wikipedia, ...". Shouldn't it be called by the correct name attested to by the Government of India and Tamil Nadu. It does not make any sense that just because the Brihadisvara name was INCORRECTLY used in the past, it should be perpetuated. English language derives its name from the local Tamil sources, which is the origin of the temple.

Then "Chennai" is modified official name of Madras, but the wiki site is for Chennai not Madras in the English language. References incorrectly stated must be modified. Please think about it. I don't want this to be a shouting match, but lets do what makes sense. Debtprograms (talk) 17:44, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Also, your logic is circular and bad. If the great Wikipedia perpetuates "Briahblah blah" word, then more people will be reading and searching for that name. How can you claim now that the other names of the temples is lower usage and Brihablah blah is of higher usage? Of course, every time people read Wikipedia, they are going to search for the Brihablah blah word even though officially it's the wrong name.

What is the purpose of Wikipedia article? Authenticity or popularity from past mistakes? Debtprograms (talk) 17:51, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

This has been discussed as part of a Requested move earlier. First of all, "Peruvudaiyar" is neither "correct" nor "authentic" name: the temple's builder did not call it that. Secondly, even before Wikipedia was launched, Brihadisvara or its variants were used as the most common name of the temple in the English language: if you have a problem with WP:COMMONNAME, feel free to discuss in on that talk page. Lastly, even the government sources - both that of Tamil Nadu and the Centre use Brihadisvara or its variants on their English pages.

As for OP's contention that the name "Dakshina Meru" is a "new name" coined in 2015, here's a quote from Indian Ocean and Cultural Interaction, A.D. 1400-1800 (1996) by K. S. Mathew, ISBN 9788190016636, page 64: "However , the Brihadisvara temple of Thanjavur ( early 11th century ) has also been called Daksina Meru in the Tamil inscriptions." utcursch | talk 18:36, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

"This has been discussed as part of a Requested move earlier. First of all, "Peruvudaiyar" is neither "correct" nor "authentic" name: the temple's builder did not call it that. Secondly, even before Wikipedia was launched, Brihadisvara or its variants were used as the most common name of the temple in the English language: if you have a problem with WP:COMMONNAME, feel free to discuss in on that talk page. Lastly, even the government sources - both that of Tamil Nadu and the Centre use Brihadisvara or its variants on their English pages." Post the authentic source and then call the name you want. I don't know why people trying to mask the heritage we carry with their own delusional thinks because of their ignorance. SarkarVijay (talk) 10:36, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2023

the name of the temple is தஞ்சைப் பெருவுடையார் கோயில் change the name 14.139.181.235 (talk) 11:13, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: This is English Wikipedia the name has to be in the English language. Lightoil (talk) 02:42, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Spelling mistake

1st paragraph- "Hola Era"? Nathularog (talk) 17:49, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 7 June 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. Can be immediately moved without waiting out the relist period per User talk:ClydeFranklin/Archive 3#Brihadisvara Temple RM. (closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 05:23, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

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Brihadisvara Temple, Thanjavur → Brihadisvara Temple – Currently, Brihadisvara Temple is a redirect to the Thanjavur temple.
[Pageviews] clearly suggest that since the creation of these pages, the Thanjavur article is much more sought after by the readers than the Gangaikonda Cholapuram version. This is the Primary Topic >>> Extorc.talk 15:21, 7 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 04:57, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

It should be called whatever the person who commissioned it named the temple, or whatever is more widely accepted by the community 2607:FEA8:4C25:9700:7933:7EB3:B05F:FB6B (talk) 23:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2023

can you please update the correct map of India? current map is not correct, It should be Indian government authorized map. source = https://www.india.gov.in/download-maps-india-provided-survey-india Peshkark (talk) 23:40, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: We do not blindly follow official maps from the Indian government. Lightoil (talk) 12:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

India Map is not correct, please change the map immediately

India map shown below in the page is not showing the full map, Top Kashmir is cut please make sure to update the correct India Map. 2402:8100:25C5:BA3E:6435:B89E:24D2:9815 (talk) 03:21, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

It is the correct map. Highlighted portion indicates regions under Indian administration. Areas of Kashmir administered by Pakistan are separated from the rest of Pakistan by dashed lines to indicate contestation. Please read Kashmir conflict. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 12:34, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

You representing the India map incorrectly. Please make changes asap. 49.206.35.156 (talk) 14:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2024

There has been a slight mistake in the introduction of the temple, which I would like to rectify. Rishy.x (talk) 03:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

നിർമ്മാണം

രാജരാജ പെരുന്തച്ചൻ എന്ന് കൂടി ർക്കണം ശിൽപ്പിയുടെ സ്ഥാനത്ത് 2409:4073:4EC7:8CCF:DCB0:E421:C297:A34C (talk) 13:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

ശിൽപ്പി

രാജ രാജ പെരുന്തച്ചൻ എന്ന് കൂടി ചേർക്കുക 2409:4073:4D36:B34D:1087:38AE:5B1D:FB6F (talk) 14:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Architect of temple

Raja Raja perumatchan please include this data 2409:4073:2E9E:F4F4:A7BA:EF1C:FA5D:349A (talk) 15:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

A reliable source that supports this information is needed. Ravensfire (talk) 16:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Architect

Raja Raja Perunthachan, also known as Kunjaramallan Rajaraja Perunthachan, was a skilled architect and sculptor who designed and built many temples during the reign of Raja Raja Chola I in South India:

Brihadeeswarar Temple The chief architect of this temple, also known as the Big Temple, in Thanjavur. The temple is considered a prime example of Dravidian architecture.

Rajarajeshvara Temple The architect of this temple in Thanjavur, which was built in the Dravidian style.

Other temples Designed and built several other temples during the reign of Raja Raja Chola I and his successors.

Raja Raja Perunthachan was a master of Vastu Shastra, the science of architecture. His contributions to temple architecture in South India have had a lasting impact on the region's cultural and architectural heritage. 2409:4073:4D0B:9DA0:9131:8559:F4B2:CAEB (talk) 15:45, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

See response in the section above. Ravensfire (talk) 03:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC)