Talk:Broad Run High School/Archive 1

Archive 1

Broadlands High School Zone

From what I know, Broadlands was part of Broad Run's attendance area until 2000 when Stone Bridge opened, and students who lived in Broadlands went to Stone Bridge until 2005 when Briar Woods opened. As far as I know, no one from Broadlands went to Broad Run after Stone Bridge opened and the class of 2002 graduated from BRHS (as some students stayed rather than went to SB).

20176 02:51, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree -- I got confused. I'll revert. Thanks.

Jim Dunning 17:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

School Rival

Interesting issue: who is Broad Run's rival now. It used to be Stone Bridge when it first opened, and SBHS is still listed in the Infobox as a rival and the Rivalries section focuses exclusively on SBHS. However, this year Broad Run barely competes with Stone Bridge in any sport. I question whether this info is still applicable. Of course that raises the question of just who is BRHS's rival. ??????

Jim Dunning 17:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Answer to BRHS' Rival

Broad Run's rival is still Stone Bridge despite their move to AAA, and Stone Bridge will remain there until at least 2009, but probably indefinitely since they are doing really well in the Northern Region. BR and SB don't play each other in football which may be the reason why many think the rivalry is gone. The reason why SB won't play BR or any AA school is because of the power points system the VHSL uses, not because of BR's "not so great" program. This points system gives more points to wins over AAA schools than AA's, etc. This is how Park View got to the playoffs last year though their record was worse than Heritage's as the Patriots played Valley and Herndon, while Heritage played single A schools out in West Virginia like the rest of the Loudoun AA schools who are either too scared to play AAA schools nearby, or AAA schools who don't want to lose power points by playing Loudoun schools. My guess is both. Valley still plays County and PV as non district opponents, Stone Bridge could too, but the Vikings are playing them at their risk; if their district record isn't like last year's they may be snubbed. Given SB's reputation in football, they will not play any AA's which basically alienates them from all the Loudoun schools now except Valley, but this will ultimately help them get a better seed in the playoffs.

Anyway, in almost every other sport that I know of, BR and SB will play each other at least once; it was that way last year so they still are rivals, and will always be so. Before SB opened, BR's primary rival was Park View, especially when there were only four Loudoun County high schools. This rivalry is starting to come back because Dominion and Potomac Falls are very close to each other on the north side of Route 7 (PV is south); and also Stone Bridge is AAA too.

20176 07:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Proposing an updated & new format for summary box

I've put together a new format for the LCPS summary box that can be placed at the end of each LCPS school article. It's also been updated to include all current schools. Comments and suggestions are welcome. See the example below — Jim Dunning 16:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

• Template:Loudoun County Public Schools

Let's get a higher rating for this article!

I think we have an excellent article here and it would be great if we could get some recognition for it. The Broad Run HS article is part of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Virginia and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools, and currently has a Start-Class rating for Wikipedia:WikiProject_Virginia. In reviewing the rating scale requirements it appears the only significant area we lack in to advance to a B-Class rating is a sufficent number of citations.

I propose we review all "facts" in the article and identify as many source citations as we can (and re-evaluate questionable info in the process). Not only will this improve the article's readability, support raising the article quality rating, but will set a good example to school students with regard to intellectual property issues. This will also facilitate updating data that changes changes regularly.

Also, to be consistent with WikiProject-Schools Infobox requirements, we should consider replacing the current Infobox with one of the standard project templates. I don't know who created the existing one since we have only an IP address (Special:Contributions/128.239.45.20), but it is certainly attractive. However, because it is all done in html mark-up it is difficult for the average contributor to maintain; a template would mitigate this issue. Here are some candidates for the replacement —

• Template:Infobox School
• Template:Infobox HighSchool
• Template:Infobox Public School
• Template:Infobox Secondary school

Maybe 128.239.45.20 obtained a UserName after February 2006 and is still a regular contributor. If so, she/he should weigh in on this.

Thanks, Jim Dunning 18:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

128.239 guy

That guy was me. As with the school box templates, I don't mind them for the most part, but they seem to be a bit limiting sometimes, but the font for the templates is a bit larger so it's fine I assume. We might as well put them up for all 10 Loudoun County high schools if we want them that way.

As with the LCPS template box, that looks sweet. The only concerns are aesthetic, which are the LCPS gif on the top right which doesn't look balanced. The other one is the wordiness of the box. For example, "Hutchison Farm Elementary School - South Riding" in my opinion is too wordy, when "Hutchison Farm" should suffice. If a school is named after someone, like John Tolbert ES or Simpson MS, a link that says "Tolbert" or "Simpson" should be good enough. Informal nicknames for schools should not be used, such as "Pot Falls" for Potomac Falls; "Valley" or "County" is common in Loudoun County, but people not familiar with the verbiage would better know them as Loudoun Valley and Loudoun County respectively. 20176 01:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, 20176, thanks for all your hard (and excellent) work on things Loudoun County! I thought it might be you since the "128.239 guy" disappeared when 20176 began. Thanks for the feedback. Are you using MSIE? I should've looked at the summary box through IE (I use Firefox) when I finished the coding, but forgot. In Firefox the logos are balanced, but there is an issue with IE. I'll work on that over the next few days.

I see your point on the wordiness of the school names, but I see some value in displaying the community location in the box. Take a look above at the ESs section and see if it improved. Thank you for the feedback. Jim Dunning 19:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I use both, but now I see that Firefox showed the logos balanced out. As with the wording of schools, I changed it again to the following.

• Normally a school on the box would be named for example "Seldens Landing (Leesburg)." The school name is given, and its town is in parentheses.
• If a school is named after a person, with the exception of one LCPS school, the school is referred to the person's last name, like Simpson MS and Tolbert ES are worded. The exception is Frances Hazel Reid ES of Leesburg which is referred by most in central Loudoun by its full name rather than "Reid." This may change soon because the school is pretty new right now.
• If a school's name is the same as the town it is in, the town's name is not included, because I thought it would be redundant. Examples include Sterling ES, Sterling MS, Waterford ES, etc.
• With the exception of South Riding, schools' towns are typically referred to its designated city name according to the USPS in their +4 website. For example, River Bend MS and Potomac Falls are adjacent to each other and could be in "Potomac Falls, VA," but the USPS says they are in Sterling though "Potomac Falls" is "acceptable". Same goes for schools in Brambleton and Broadlands, which are located in Ashburn, and Lansdowne schools which are located in Leesburg. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 20176 (talk) 05:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC).

It looks great and I like the naming guidelines (thanks). I reformatted a little to give the list some whitespace breathing room. I'm trying to think of anything we're missing? I'll work on the cell-size issue vis-a-vis IE over the next day or two and then go ahead and put it on the school pages. Jim Dunning 05:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

What reason do you have for using the USPS guide for the town naming? I would think it makes more sense to follow what LCPS identifies it as residing in. For example, Potomac Falls is located in "Sterling", but its site states is address as being in "Potomac Falls, VA". It would make more sense to me that as long as the name is acceptable for USPS, follow the name the school uses. -- Johnny06man 04:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Rivalry

How come my contribution about the group of high school students cementing a street sign in the Park View football field was deleted? 68.229.79.68 11:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)Stephen

Actually, when I reverted I thought I had included a note that mentioned the entry needed to be verifiable. Apparently I didn't; my bad. I'm sorry. I have to admit I initially thought the entry was vandalism, but I did try to find verification online, and even asked a couple students in BR at the time if they knew of the event and I came up with naught. If you can provide some sort of cite for it we can put it back in.

In hindsight I probably should have brought it up on the Talk page, but I'm concerned that there are too many non-cited facts in this article as it is. If you can find a citation for it, that would be great. Sorry again -- I didn't intend to offend. I'm not questioning your veracity, just trying to be consistent on verifiability. Jim Dunning 16:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

BRHS Revamp

This article has been renovated: new sections and subsections have been added (Students, Campus, Publications, etc.), existing ones have been expanded and/or revised (Curriculum and some Extracurricular activities), and citations have been located for existing and new info. Additionally, some of the topics were reordered to be consistent with WikiProject Schools.

The edit was done in two stages to facilitate review and further revision.

The first revision stage covers only the changes to existing topics and addition of new sections without reordering the topics. This was done to make it easier to review content changes without worrying about where it got moved to. A noticeable change is the replacement of the original Infobox created by 20176 with one of the standard templates suggested by the Project. Although I think 20176's work is better looking and certainly covered all the "info" bases, a standard template is easier to maintain by contributors not as familiar with html mark-up as 20176 is.

The second stage was the reordering (and addition) of topics to match the suggested format at WikiProject Schools - Structure —

• History
• Campus
• Students
• Faculty
• Extracurricular activities
• Curriculum
• Notable alumni
• References
• External links

Editors may wish to review the content changes by going to the first stage revision (21:54, 28 December 2006) to check for any corrections or necessary changes, and then look at the reformatted (section order only) article here (21:59, 28 December 2006).

There is an area of content concern: after putting together the overview section on Curriculum and reviewing the suggestions at the Project page, I think it's overdone. On the other hand, this information could be of interest to some readers, especially those from outside the US. Since all LCPS schools have similar curricula, an alternative might be to move it to Loudoun County Public Schools, using it as starter yeast for a section on district curriculum (of course then changing it to cover all county schools).

Thanks to all BRHS editors, especially 20176 and Johnny06man. Jim Dunning 02:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Decided to relocate the detailed curriculum info to the Loudoun County Public Schools article, initiating a Curriculum section.

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 20:36, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Removed missing citations tag

The {{Citations missing}} tag has been removed since this no longer is a major issue. Jim Dunning 02:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject School Ratings added

"B" Quality and "Low" Importance ratings for WikiProject Schools have been added. Comments invited. —  Jim Dunning  talk  : 18:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

The WikiProject Virginia rating has been raised from {{Start-Class}} to {{B-Class}}. It appears to meet the criteria. As required by the assessment process, an explanation for the rating change is here. Now that this is done I'm investigating the nomination process for raising it to {{GA-Class}} or {{A-Class}}.

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 19:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Band section revamp

I tightened up the copy for the Band section. In the process I decided to remove the Nederynen murder part (although Eric was a band member, this story is not encyclopedic and relevant to the band only). We could argue that it could be included somewhere in the article since the tragedy affected the whole school, but then we are faced with the question of whether or not to include other tragedies affecting BRHS as a whole (car accidents, shootings, suicides, even the DC Sniper). But then we would have to show how these events affect BR differently or more uniquely than other high schools.

Also, the Jeffrey Kelley incident has been made more concise. At first blush it could be grouped with the other incidents described above and removed completely, but the relatively high turnover of band directors is relevant to the article. I did remove, however, the first-hand information that can't be verified independently (remember: verifiability is not the same as truth; I'm not questioning the verisimilitude of the information). I'm not questioning the contributor's information. We had some discussion on this earlier this year, but since then I've had opportunity to become more familiar with Wikipedia's style and guidelines. Thus, I think the "original research" needs removal.

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 15:28, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Athletes @ Division I and/or II?

I removed the statement, "and have sent several players to Division I and II colleges" since it lacks a citation to support it and its contributor 64.236.128.14 is an anonymous user with a specious history. If this information is true, however, it'd be nice to replace it. Anyone have a source?

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 18:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Some LCPS news releases might have stories on players signing letters of intent to play for these schools. I can't remember how far back the archive goes on the main web site, but that would be a good place to check. I can think of one player in particular (Jenny Clohan). She plays softball at James Madison University, which competes in Division I. See the softball roster here. It doesn't involve football players, but other sports that have had better runs at Broad Run do seem to have sent players to Division I colleges. -- Johnny06man 20:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Found a news release on the LCPS site for a basketball player going to a Division II school [1]. Also a lacrosse player going to a Division I school [2]. -- Johnny06man 20:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! This helps immensely! —  Jim Dunning  talk  : 04:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

GA review

This is an excellent article. It is well-written, well-sourced, tight on-topic, appropriate length (and detail), and should be nominated for FA. Having reviewed many articles, I am quite impressed with this one. A few thoughts:

• Full dates should be written like this [[January 6]], [[2007]] Readers can then set their preferences to see the dates in the format that they are most comfortable with.
• Most of the time photographs and graphics should be inserted like this: [[Image:Example.jpg|thumb|caption]] . If the author does not specify the number of pixels, then the reader's default value is used for thumnails. Users with 21" screens likely prefer larger thumbs than users with 14" screens. By specifying, all users see the same size.
• Numerical ranges should use a – instead of a -. (See ndash)
• The article is inconsistent with respect to commas preceding the word "and" prior to the last of a series of items. (I didn't attempt to fix this one.)
• The article could use some photographs around campus. Surely there are photogenic spots. Maybe a photo of the marching band or color guard, or a cover of the literary magazine could be obtained.
  good luck and happy editing! Appraiser 16:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Sterling residents attending Broad Run

The article contains a line stating "A limited number of students living in neighboring communities outside the current attendance boundary, such as Sterling, South Riding, Ashburn Farm and Brambleton also attend as a result of frequent boundary change "grandfathering"." I think the inclusion of Sterling is no longer accurate. Boundary changes before the 2003-04 school year removed Countryside and Cascades from the Broad Run district. Correct me if I'm wrong, but no other parts of Sterling were sent to Broad Run after this. Grandfathering only applied to the rising-junior and senior classes at the time. They graduated in 2005, and for the few of us who managed to obtain extraordinary exceptions when we were freshmen graduated in 2006. Unless there is evidence to the contrary, I will remove the statement. -- Johnny06man 22:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I know of Sterling students at BR, but I think they likely fall into your "extraordinary exceptions" realm (maybe even once-removed). Remove.

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 06:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the same goes for students in Ashburn Farm and Brambleton, because they moved to Stone Bridge's attendance zone. Stone Bridge is in Ashburn Farm and the land that became Brambleton was moved from Broad Run to Stone Bridge in 2002 when Heritage opened. South Riding did stay at BR until Freedom opened. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 20176 (talk) 19:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

Picture of the trophy case

I marked the sentence describing the trophy case for debate trophies as needing a citation. To prove this we should get a picture of the case and add it to the article (this would also help us add more pictures to the article as a whole). I also removed the part saying that it cannot handle all the trophies because it sounded a bit weaselly. -- Johnny06man 17:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'll volunteer to get a pic, and maybe some others as suggested to improve the article. BTW, probably weaslly, but oh so true!

—  Jim Dunning  talk  :20:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, definitely true. -- Johnny06man 20:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Automated peer review

The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.

• Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at Wikipedia:Lead. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.
• Consider adding more links to the article; per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links) and Wikipedia:Build the web, create links to relevant articles.
• Per Wikipedia:Context and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates), months and days of the week generally should not be linked. Years, decades, and centuries can be linked if they provide context for the article.
• See if possible if there is a free use image that can go on the top right corner of this article.
• Per Wikipedia:Context and Wikipedia:Build the web, years with full dates should be linked; for example, link January 15, 2006.
• Per WP:WIAFA, this article's table of contents (ToC) may be too long- consider shrinking it down by merging short sections or using a proper system of daughter pages as per Wikipedia:Summary style.
• There are a few occurrences of weasel words in this article- please observe WP:AWT. Certain phrases should specify exactly who supports, considers, believes, etc., such a view.
  • it has been
  • might be weasel words, and should be provided with proper citations (if they already do, or are not weasel terms, please strike this comment).
• Please provide citations for all of the {{fact}}s.
• Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.

You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Johnny06man 21:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

In response to User:JimDunning's comments on my talk page, I'll respond to the automated suggestions go bullet by bullet:

• I think the lead can use expansion. An article of this size should have an intro 2-3 paragraphs according to WP:LEAD. Right now it mostly just discusses the broad history of the school. Maybe some more things about Broad Run that make it unique or more significant.

I'm taking a crack at expanding it. If you do, too, we can compare efforts. Jim Dunning 02:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• Err, don't see how that works. I think we have plenty of links already.
• Same as the last one.
• Agreed here. If we want this to become FA, we should use as many free images as possible, not fair-use. Instead of the logo, maybe a picture of the school? If we could find a historical picture of it that is free (doubt that is possible though), that could be neat as well. Overall though more pictures would be nice.

I took that pic of the school today, but it didn't come out as clear as I would like. I'll try again next sunny day. Jim Dunning 02:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• I think we have that covered already.
• I kind of agree here. Not so much for the length, but I think it looks weird to have a section with 1 subsection. If we want to break it up into sub-units, let's at least have more than one. Enrollment history could be just history and stay as a new paragraph for example. Ok, I looked at the sections with only one subsection. Demographics was the only one that seemed to fit easily. The other ones have enough to qualify a new subsection. The only one that really bothers me is the history, since it has only one subsection and the others are actually sub-subsections. Could we expand the history section to include different eras and break them up accordingly? -- Johnny06man 01:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Agree. Jim Dunning 02:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm going through archive materials at school (have access to all the Shields and Spartans) so I can work on expanding the history this week. Also, maybe the Campus and Students sections can either be combined under one heading (Campus and Students?) or add more to each. I do worry about making it too long, though. Jim Dunning 02:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• I am slightly afraid of this since I think the main contributors to this article have some connection to the school and may be more inclined to view it positively. I will do a thorough review and try and mark anything for further review. I also suggest a peer review soon to prepare for a FA nomination.

We're thinking along the same lines . . . . Jim Dunning 02:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• There previously were none, but I went back and marked the trophy comment as needing a citation, mainly because of the weasel comment that used to be attached to it, but I think it would be best if we got a picture or some sort of citation for it before removing the tag. I also will do another check of the article to look for statements not common knowledge or backed up with a reference.

I took a pic of the trophy case today and just need to do some cropping in PaintShop Pro. Jim Dunning 02:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• Peer review should satisfy this.

Agree. Jim Dunning 02:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• Peer review should satisfy this.

This automated review tool is nice, but I do take some of what is says with a grain of salt. This should give us a good starting point though. Any other comments or questions? -- Johnny06man 01:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I think Patton should go back up even if it is a one-alum list. And Hatrick, too! And what about those asst principals?

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 02:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess I can understand the assistant principals, but Hatrick as well? He'd be listed on every school's page, even though he has little direct day-to-day involvement with each school. -- Johnny06man 02:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Hatrick is a Loudoun County alum and was principal at Broad Run from what I remember.

20176 01:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Yep, and he was first an English teacher (I think) and there day one when it opened (and his wife was teaching there as well). Jim Dunning 12:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, all this is true. But that doesn't have to do with the current administration there. If we wanted to list all the former principals of Broad Run, then he should be included. But I still don't see a good enough reason to add him to the infobox. -- Johnny06man 14:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Lots of new citation tags

I went back through the article attempting to fix weasel words. I think I got all of them, but as I went along I became more enthralled in tagging unconfirmed statements. Many of the ones I tagged might not need them, and if you disagree feel free to remove them, but at least try to find a cite first. Some may be easy, others could be quite difficult. The major things I found were boundary lines (so many redrawn ones, can we find records or confirmation of these shifts?) and the rivalries section. I like the concept, but a lot of what is said seems to be conjecture. Can we find proof of attendance at these games, and are they significantly higher than other ones? Schedules of different sports to show that they still compete against one another? That should be enough to continue meriting inclusion. -- Johnny06man 02:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

We might check with 20176 on the athletics info — he's/she's very knowledgeable.

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 02:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Needed citations

The numerous {{facts}} are valid, but I worry it messes up the page. How about this: remove them from the article, but list each needed citations here and strike them as we tackle them? Then we have a to-do list to work from.

Missing citations

Strike them off as they're reffed.

• in 1976 a portion of the Sterling student body was moved to Park View High School
• As the Ashburn area grew considerably, additional students shifted to Potomac Falls High School in 1997
• Stone Bridge High School opened in 2000, which split the Ashburn student body into two different high schools
• Broad Run gave the remainder of its Sterling student population to Potomac Falls after Dominion High School opened in 2003 and shifted students in Brambleton to Stone Bridge
• In 2005, Broad Run split off its South Riding students to Freedom High School
• Campus items -- I got part of it. -- Johnny06man 18:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• The Broad Run attendance boundaries encompass the Ashburn communities of Ashburn Village, Farmwell Hunt, and University Center, as well as the Ridges at Ashburn and Ashbrook residential subdivisions.
• A limited number of students living in neighboring communities outside the current attendance boundary, such as South Riding, Ashburn Farm and Brambleton also attend as a result of frequent boundary change "grandfathering"
• Some students, usually seniors with enough credits toward graduation, may have an "Early Release" from school to participate in school approved activities or work
• Flex and Spartan Read (this is on the school website, I think) -- Some of it was, but I also found an article from the Loudoun Connector that had stuff about it. -- Johnny06man 23:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• In addition to its drama instruction, Broad Run students and staff produce and stage at least three major theatrical performances each year -- This is already cited. How do we indicate that a cite covers more than one sentence? Similar to the attendance boundary item above.
• Subsequent to Loudoun County Public Schools' initiating middle school string programs in 2002 to 6th graders, Broad Run and the other nine Loudoun high schools also began string ensembles in the 2005 – 2006 school year
• Under the direction of Catina Anderson since 1998, the Fall and Winter Guards have won almost every competition they have attended since 2001 Same issue about multiple sentences.
• Broad Run is a member of the AA Dulles District of the Region II of the Virginia High School League,[citation needed] and sponsors girls and boys athletic teams in the following sports: baseball, basketball, cheerleading (girls only), cross-country, football (boys only), golf, gymnastics, lacrosse, soccer, softball (girls only), tennis, track, swimming, volleyball (girls only), wrestling (boys only).[citation needed] This had a cite -- not sure what happened to it. I looked it up myself.
  • I think I found cites for these, but I can tell you now one of those is wrong. Unless the school specifically differentiates between boys and girls sports, we must assume they can be co-ed. Wrestling is predominantly a male sport, but I know for a fact there was a female wrestler on the team. -- Johnny06man 04:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• The Broad Run football program has experienced varying degrees of success since 2000, fielding only two teams with winning records (2003 and 2004 / 6-4 records) between 2000 and 2006.
  • I've tried looking for final season standings for past years, but I am having a hard time doing so. The best bet would be to look in the yearbooks from each year. The football pages should contain the needed info. Having each yearbook dating back to 1998 (2 sisters also went to school here), I would do this, but they are at home and I am at school. :( Does anybody else have access to them? -- Johnny06man 23:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• I have them. I'll check them tomorrow. —  Jim Dunning  talk  : 03:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• Stone Bridge moved to the AAA Liberty District in 2005, drawing the football rivalry to a halt, but both schools still play each other in nearly every other sport.
• Broad Run also enjoys rivalries with Park View High School in softball, Loudoun County High School in girls' basketball and girls' soccer, and Potomac Falls High School in boys' soccer.[citation needed] The rivalry with Park View in particular has intensified since Stone Bridge's district change, as the two schools were once heated rival schools.[citation needed]

In reviewing this I need to understand better citation practice and how we indicate that a reference covers more than one sentence or a whole paragraph. Also, this seems like way too many cites. Mmmmm . . . . Time to ruminate.

Thanks for flagging them all and giving this English major some food for thought,

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 02:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree, they do seem excessive, but I would rather err on the side of caution. And as you said, some of the citations should apply to the whole paragraph. Maybe for this we should just leave the ref tag at the end of the paragraph? As for removing the tags from the article, it would increase the readability, but we shouldn't try to hide that they are not sourced. This just encourages us to find more sources quicker :) We can still check stuff off here to keep a better record. -- Johnny06man 03:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Current boundary maps can be found here. Individual communities are listed on the maps. I will look to see if I can historical maps showing previous boundaries. -- Johnny06man 04:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Atmosphere

This article is basically going over the statistics and general facts about the school, which is good and classic of Wikipedia entries, but the atmosphere and what actually goes on in school is a huge part of the high school. Therefore, I would like to nominate a section about the atmosphere/culture/views of students be added. While the page List of High School Subcultures has gained alot of scrutiny, I believe that the BRHS page could pull it off. Of course, I wouldn't put it in yet, as I'd really like to make sure it's well-written and as non-biased as possible. (ie, writing from a NPOV, which is hard for a high school article) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.86.44.23 (talk) 23:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC).

Detail sub-page

A sub-page for this article has been established at Historical and statistical detail for Broad Run High School. This provides the opportunity to add significantly more historical and statistical data for researchers without over-lengthening or overwhelming the main article.

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 06:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Spartan logo fair use

I think we can use the Spartan logo in the Infobox. We should be safe, falling into the specification that it's a low-resolution logo of an organization . . . protected by copyright and/or trademark." "It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of logos to illustrate the organization . . . in question on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law."

Waddya say? Can we put it back?

—  Jim Dunning  talk  : 00:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

We probably can, as you said. But if the article were to become a featured article and ever shown on the main page, the main page can only use free images. It makes more sense to make the primary picture something that is free and does not have the fair use conditions attached. I have no problem putting the logo back in, but I dislike having an image in part of the introduction. IMO, it makes it look crammed into the space, and we can put it in other places in the article that need images in the sections. BTW, really great work on all the history and statistical data! It definitely adds to the article. If we can get the rest of the cites needed, I will put the article up for peer review, and barring any major issues, nominate it for FA status. -- Johnny06man 02:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, I was wondering where you got all the yearbooks. From the school library (I would think they have an archive of them)? -- Johnny06man 02:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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The article is fully Wikified and has all of the components of a Start-Class article — a particularly useful picture or graphic (logos, graphs) multiple links that help explain or illustrate the topic (sufficient links to other Wikipedia articles and external urls) a subheading that fully treats an element of the topic multiple subheadings that indicate material that could be added to complete the article (numerous subsections for Curriculum and Extracurricular activities) In fact, it appears to meet much of Good article criteria and should be eligible for GA-Class consideration. Any deficiency identifications are welcome. —  Jim Dunning  talk  : 19:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

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