Talk:Bulldozer justice
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Few suggestions
editFacetsOfNonStickPans Bulldozer politics didn't start in 2022. I can find sources from 2020.[1] Also, I don't think that "Petitions" deserve a separate section. It should be under "Reaction" section. >>> Extorc.talk 19:08, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Noted. Thanks. Do keep jotting down points like these here, as per Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Go ahead and make changes yourself as well. DTM (talk) 09:27, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Images
editI don't think there are going to be any images for this article say in the way there was for the 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest article. Nevertheless... Does the British government have a site like there is PIB for India - with regard to PM Johnson and his pictures with the bulldozer? For the reaction section? There are sources which connect this event to the larger bulldozer narrative. [2] [3]. Maybe a media outlet which has put out something under relevant commons licenses. DTM (talk) 13:52, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- There may be. But PM Johnson would be the wrong connection to make. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:28, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
A timeline for April 2022 violence
editApart from the main body text, a sidebar timeline for April may be helpful. Undecided over it. A sample. DTM (talk) 14:47, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Bulldozers were used in Khambat too.
- Plus they were threatened to be used in Roorkee, Uttarakhand.
- Sumedha Pal, Inspired by 'Kashmir Files', Hindutva Workers Threaten to Remove Muslims From Roorkee Village, The Wire, 19 April 2022.
- -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:16, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
| 10 April |
Khargone, MP;[1] Howrah and Bankura, WB[2] |
|---|---|
| 11 April |
Khambat, GJ;[3][4] Lohardaga, JH;[5] Baina, Vasco, GA [6] |
| 16 April |
Jahangirpuri, DL;[1] Hubli, KA;[7] Bhagwanpur, Roorkee, UK[8][9] |
| 17 April | Holagunda, Kurnool, AP[10] |
| 18 April | Amravati, MH[11] |
| In Bold are locations where bulldozers were used in response. In Italics a threat to use bulldozers was seen. | |
References
- ^ a b "Nine states, 15 days: India is witnessing a spate of communal violence". Firstpost. 2022-04-19. Retrieved 2022-04-23.
- ^ Dutta, Debayan (2022-04-11). "Hate and Harmony: The Two Sides of Ram Navami in West Bengal". TheQuint. Retrieved 2022-04-24.
- ^ Langa, Mahesh (2022-04-11). "Communal clashes in Gujarat: 1 killed, another injured during Ram Navami processions". The Hindu. ISSN 0971-751X. Retrieved 2022-04-24.
- ^ Kshatriya, Dilip Singh (15 April 2022). "After MP, now bulldozer crackdown on illegal shops of riot accused in Gujarat's Khambat". The New Indian Express. Retrieved 2022-04-24.
- ^ "Clashes in Jharkhand during Ram Navami procession leave 1 dead, 12 injured". ThePrint. PTI. 2022-04-11. Retrieved 2022-04-24.
{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: others (link) - ^ "Tension erupts in Baina as groups belonging to two communities clash". Herald Goa. 11 Apr 2022. Retrieved 2022-04-24.
- ^ "Explained: The violence in Karnataka's Hubballi over a WhatsApp status". Firstpost. 2022-04-18. Retrieved 2022-04-24.
- ^ Pal, Sumedha (19 April 2022). "Influenced by 'Kashmir Files', Hindutva Workers Threaten to Remove Muslims From Roorkee Village". The Wire. Retrieved 2022-04-24.
- ^ तिवारी, सत्यम् (2022-04-18). "रुड़की : हनुमान जयंती पर भड़की हिंसा, पुलिस ने मुस्लिम बहुल गांव में खड़े किए बुलडोज़र" [Roorkee: Violence erupts on Hanuman Jayanti, police erected bulldozers in Muslim dominated village]. न्यूज़क्लिक. Retrieved 2022-04-24.
- ^ Pandey, Ashish (17 April 2022). "Clashes break out on Hanuman Jayanti in Andhra's Kurnool, 20 held; section 144 imposed". India Today. Retrieved 2022-04-24.
- ^ Maitra, Pradip Kumar (2022-04-19). "Curfew in Maharashtra's Amravati after clash over flags". Hindustan Times. Retrieved 2022-04-24.
Content query
editDoes the article in its current state give enough weightage (WP:WEIGHT) to the religious aspects of events currently in the article? Anything given undue space (WP:PROPORTION)? DTM (talk) 09:13, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- I am afraid the topic of the page is not at all clear. Bulldozing for widening roads or removing illegal structures is common across the country. What makes it "bulldozer politics"? And what does the term exactly mean? The answers to these questions will determine what should be included or not included on this page. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:38, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Kautilya3; Yes, I did notice that the page focus is lacking. I also started editing accordingly keeping page focus in mind once I realised it was becoming vauge. I still went ahead since I know this will be sorted. This is a start to sorting this out. DTM (talk) 10:32, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Just nuke this junk and let K3 draft afresh. If you feel that
Many of alleged perps were of a "particular community"
is an encyclopedic sentence, you need to prolong whatever break you were taking. I am not even going into the brazen pro-BJP POV-pushing in the very first sentence of the lead. - Btw, raised != razed. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:12, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Same as above. DTM (talk) 10:33, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Close paraphrasing and copyvio
editIf there are any cases of close paraphrasing or copyvio please do point it out. DTM (talk) 10:29, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
What is "bulldozer politics"?
editWhat is "bulldozer politics"? This is not the same question as what should be the title of the page. Events that the article currently conveys -
- The use of bulldozers against criminals in Uttar Pradesh
- The imagery of bulldozers during the elections in Uttar Pradesh
- The use of bulldozers against criminals or those accused of crime in Madhya Pradesh
- The use of bulldozers against rioters or in the area of communal violence in April 2022
- Here, there is an extrajudicial use of bulldozers. As compared to just nationwide removal of encroachments.
- The media narrative related to this topic. There are media watchdogs which have reported on this.
(post 1/2) DTM (talk) 11:03, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
(post 2/2) Some references in the article which directly use the phrase "bulldozer politics"- [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] Articles which say that "bulldozer" has reached UPs election lexicon and India's political lexicon in general. [12][13][14] Now there are many more directly related references, as well as references which may not directly use the phrase "bulldozer politics", I am not listing them just now. The aim of all this I have written is this is heading towards - Do we have the scope of this page from the above? Do we have a definition? Can we answer the questions posed by K3 above?
This is for the definition of bulldozer politics OR the scope of this article, what K3 is asking above, the direction it takes, what event should be a part of this and what shouldn't...
Definition. Explanation. Definition. Explanation. Definition. Explanation.
Bulldozers, and the word bulldozer, found its way into the election and political lexicon of Uttar Pradesh, and further across India, between 2017 and 2022. While bulldozers are routinely used across India to remove illegal construction, the bulldozer in this case has been used as an extrajudicial tool, a power statement, against criminals and communal violence rioters.
DTM (talk) 11:28, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ "'Bulldozer Baba, Bulldozer Mama, bulldozer justice': How the modest machine has become the buzzword in Indian politics". Firstpost. FP Explainers. 2022-04-21. Retrieved 2022-04-26.
{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: others (link) - ^ Pandey, Sanjay (2022-04-24). "A little wrong is right for a bigger cause: BJP on bulldozer politics". Deccan Herald. Retrieved 2022-04-26.
- ^ Srivastava, Arun (25 March 2022). "Glorification of 'bulldozer politics' in UP under Yogi doesn't portend well for democracy". National Herald. Retrieved 24 April 2022.
- ^ "Demolition in Jahangirpuri: After communal flare up, bulldozer politics". The Indian Express. 21 April 2022. Retrieved 24 April 2022.
- ^ "From UP, MP to Delhi & Now Rajasthan, Bulldozer Politics Hits Alwar Temples. BJP Calls it 'Revenge'". News18. 22 April 2022. Retrieved 24 April 2022.
- ^ "Sisodia's message to MLAs: Stand firm against BJP's 'bulldozer politics'". The Indian Express. 23 April 2022. Retrieved 23 April 2022.
- ^ Kuchay, Bilal (18 April 2022). "India: Muslim group takes 'dangerous bulldozer politics' to court". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 23 April 2022.
- ^ "AAP ups ante against BJP's 'bulldozer politics', takes out foot marches in Delhi". ThePrint. PTI. 24 April 2022. Retrieved 24 April 2022.
{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: others (link) - ^ Joy, Shemin (24 April 2022). "Aim of bulldozer politics is to demonise Muslims: Brinda Karat". Deccan Herald. Retrieved 24 April 2022.
- ^ Moorthy, N. Sathiya (April 25, 2022). "Why 'Bulldozer Politics' Won't Work". Rediff. Retrieved 2022-04-26.
- ^ Pandey, Sanjay; Jha, Satish; Joy, Shemin (24 April 2022). "From Yogi to Jahangirpuri: The rise of the Bulldozer Raj". Deccan Herald. Retrieved 24 April 2022.
- ^ Sahu, Manish (8 March 2022). "Explained: Not just bulls, how bulldozers made it to election lexicon in UP". The Indian Express. Retrieved 10 April 2022.
- ^ Shukla, Amandeep (19 April 2022). "Loudspeaker and bulldozer becoming key terms in Indian political lexicon". The Times of India. Retrieved 23 April 2022.
- ^ "From UP to MP & Now Delhi: After Loudspeakers, Bulldozer is the New Buzzword in India's Political Lexicon". News18. 2022-04-20. Retrieved 2022-04-26.
Other page titles
editDo we have another title for this page? Do we shift content from this page and merge it with Yogi Adityanath, Crime in Uttar Pradesh, 2022 Jahangirpuri violence, and Ram Navami riots? In effect do we merge the content and delete this page? DTM (talk) 11:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- The sidebar timeline can be placed in 2022 Jahangirpuri violence for context? DTM (talk) 11:44, 26 April 2022 (UTC)