Talk:Bury a Friend

Sources

• https://uproxx.com/music/billie-eilish-bury-a-friend-album-announce/
• https://consequenceofsound.net/2019/01/billie-eilish-debut-album-title/
• https://www.altpress.com/news/billie-eilish-bury-a-friend-music-video/
• http://ventsmagazine.com/2019/01/30/billie-eilish-reveals-details-on-debut-album-release-date-single-and-new-video-for-bury-a-friend/

So don't redirect it just cuz they're not in the article as of yet x--NØ 17:27, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

People Are Strange

The infobox gives the songwriters as Billie Eilish O'Connell, Finneas O'Connell. Do the Doors not receive a writing credit for this one? If the writers of "The Air That I Breathe", made famous by the Hollies, get a credit for Radiohead's "Creep" because of the shared chord progression surely the Doors are due one for the melody of this song. When I first heard it, I assumed it was a cover. Beorhtwulf (talk) 22:22, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Beorhtwulf: Hey there! The song seems to just be inspired by the hook of the aforementioned song (even though the similarites are huge). "Bury a Friend" doesn't give any official writing credits to the Doors. Greets; Cartoon network freak (talk) 06:46, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 07:52, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

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So we meet again Cartoon network freak, should be good to take on this massive article! --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:52, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Mention the CD release somewhere in the body since you use that cover in the box

Not needed to be done anymore since the cover isn't used. Plus it was a promotional CD which is hard to be sourced.

• "It was released as" → "It was released by Darkroom and Interscope Records as"
• "from her debut studio album" → "from Eilish's debut studio album"
• Add release year of the album in brackets
• "on January 30, 2019, and" → "on January 30, and" since this will specific it is 2019 especially with the following prose
• "to American alternative radio on February 19, 2019 by Darkroom and Interscope Records" → "to American alternative radio stations on February 19, 2019 through the aforementioned labels" and are you sure it shouldn't be US alternative radio?

Isn't it exactly the same? I was told US shouldn't be really used... (?)

• "co-wrote "Bury a Friend", with" → "co-wrote the song, with"
• "producing it" → "solely producing it"
• Wikilink hip hop to Hip hop music
• "beats, percussion and" → "beats, percussion, and"
• "Upon its release," → "Upon release,"
• "generally received positive reviews" → "received generally positive reviews"
• "It was also likened" → "The song was also likened"
• ""Bury a Friend" attained commercial success, reaching" → "It attained commercial success, including reaching"
• "It further peaked within the top 10" → "The song further peaked within the top ten"
• You sure that different countries shouldn't be mentioned, like the ones it charted higher than six instead of UK?

Rewritten parts of the sentence; check it out...

• "which was uploaded onto" → "which was uploaded to"
• "at the same time as the single's digital release" → "at the same time as the song's release"
• Maybe Crooks vocals should be mentioned earlier in the lead?

His vocals in the song aren't really that notable. It's maybe two words he says during the entire song. The focus should be more on his video appearance, and I think it's a perfect opportunity to also mention his vocals here.

Background and development

• Img needs alt text
• "Billie Eilish formally announced her debut album titled When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?" → "Eilish formally announced the release of When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?" with the wikilinks removed
• "further posted a 16-second teaser" → "further posted a 16-second teaser of the song"
• Mention the release being digital download, streaming or all two if it was both? State it was through the labels too

I figured out this is untrue information. The song is now (after the album's release) available for streaming and digital download, but in fact no source tells us how it was released back in January. I removed the formats alltogether. But the eventual radio release is sourced, and the labels are also included there, hence this can stay.

• "to discuss on the track" → "to discuss the track"
• "alternative radio on" → "alternative radio stations on" and are you sure it shouldn't be US alternative radio?

see lead

• "by Darkroom and Interscope Records" → "by the aforementioned labels"

see above

• "It was mastered by" → "The song was mastered by" since you just mentioned production
• Remove wikilink on Chicago as it's too obvious
• "and her brother visited" sure it shouldn't be "and her brother were visiting" depending on the context?

Yes, this was my mistake

• "and Eilish drew a black monster" → "with Eilish drawing a black monster"
• Sure Calvin's real name is notable?

He used that name back then and changed it since. I would leave it here.

• "sent her a phone recording" → "sent Eilish a phone recording"
• "as he repeatedly tagged" → "due to him repeatedly tagging"
• Sure acquaintance is the correct term here?

I think so.

Final comments and verdict

• I hate to do this since it's not the nominators fault, but the edit warring currently happening under the infobox means that I have to ✗ Fail this article under the criteria that states a fail has to happen under such warring. --Kyle Peake (talk) 06:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Hey. I have solved your comments, unless stated. I think the battle around the cover has been settled, which means we could go on with the review if you want to. All the best; Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:14, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

@Cartoon network freak: Forgot to tell you the other day but I was going to say it's too late for me to reopen the review now and nominate this article again. I see you have already renominated it; I may get round to reviewing depending on if I have the time. --Kyle Peake (talk) 16:24, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Can someone plz delete the promo CD single cover

Resolved

It is not eventually the real single cover as promo CD cover’s don’t even count as single covers, therefore, the file should be deleted immediately, along with a 1 month block of the user who keeps adding the file to the page, first of all, I tried to convince him to stop, but he wouldn’t 🤦‍♂️ GeorgeWilkins260 (talk) 03:36, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 14:29, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

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Stability is back, time to review! --Kyle Peake (talk) 14:29, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Infobox looks good
• "singer Billie Eilish." → "singer Billie Eilish from her debut studio album, When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? (2019)." since you should mention what album it's from before the fact that it is a single
• "as the third single from Eilish's..." → "as the third single from the album"
• "American alternative radio stations" → "US alternative radio stations" as American is too vague; North and South are respective contents...
• "2019 through Darkroom" → "2019, with both releases occurring through Darkroom"
• "During the dark and violent lyrics" → "Within the dark and violent lyrics"
• "Australia and the United Kingdom" → "Australia, and the United Kingdom"
• "the song's release" → "the song's initial release" to specify it was in Jan

"initial" implies that there were multiple versions of the song; it wasn't the case. I don*t think this helps too much...

Alright

• "—who provides uncredited vocals on the song—" → ", who provides uncredited vocals on the song," so that we know Eilish is the one being pulled
• "at venues including" → "at venues in 2019, including"
• Remove 2019 from before the tour in this context

Background and development

• "American alternative radio stations" → "US alternative radio stations" as per lead
• "to make his acquaintance" → "to make him her acquaintance"

Composition and lyrical interpretation

• "credits the song" → "credited the song"
• "as a synth-pop,[11] and electronica track in press reviews.[12]" → "as a synth-pop and electronica track in press reviews.[11][12]" comma is not needed and ref 11 can then go at the end of the sentence
• Target goth to Gothic rock
• ""Bury a Friend" is moderately" → "The song is moderately"
• Target beats per minute to Tempo
• Ref 15 should be at the end of the sentence and the one after 8
• Target hip hop to Hip hop music
• "screams, as well as a screeching" → "screams, and a screeching"
• Target orthodontist to Orthodontics
• Italicize Vox
• Target chorus to Refrain
• "the Doors’" → "the Doors' single"
• "herself [...])."[23]" → "herself [...])".[23]"
• Ref 28 should be at the end of the sentence and the one after 14

Reception

• Img needs alt text
• "Upon its release," → "Upon release,"
• Target music critics to Music journalism
• "as well as a highlight on" → "as well as a highlight of"
• "its production to that" → "its production to that"
• "Kanye West's" → "West's" as we have already mentioned him and remove the wikilink to the rapper
• "nightmarish [...] and somehow" → "nightmarish" and claimed that "somehow"
• "specific and creepy."[30]" → "specific and creepy".[30]"
• "commented the "sinister [nature]" → "commented on the song's "sinister [nature]"
• "lyric, [...] unsettling [...], but there's something" → "lyric" and claimed that it is "unsettling", despite there being "something"
• "excellent", as well as noticed" → "excellent", and also noted"
• "Cantie of" → "Samantha Cantie of"
• "as a priority. [...] The" → "as a priority", and elaborated, stating: "The"
• "before moving to number 14" → "before moving 60 places to number 14"
• Instead at the time wikilink, maybe use a note for writing that "Bad Guy" surpassed it?
• Target Billboard to Billboard (magazine) on the second mention in this para
• "topping the Alternative Songs chart" → "topping the US Alternative Songs chart"
• "only the 10th solo woman" → "only the tenth solo woman"
• "first top 10 in the country" → "first top ten on the UK Singles Chart"
• "the top 10 in countries" → "the top ten in countries"

Music video

• "and has thus been regarded" → "which have led to it being regarded"
• "Eilish elaborated" → "Eilish explained"
• "from a nightmare as a" → "from a nightmare while a"
• "disappears under Mehki's bed.[10] Scenes also see" → "disappears under Mehki's bed,[10] with scenes also seeing" as the sentences can be merged

Live performances and other usage

• Img needs alt text
• First sentence is not needed as it is stating the obvious
• "She appeared on" → "Eilish performed the song on"
• "black sweater and shorts alongside" → "black sweater and shorts, alongside"
• "She further sang it" → "She later sang it"
• "The remix sees the original song "run [...] through" → "Bein stated that the remix takes the original song and "runs it through"
• "the later half."[59]" → "the later half".[59]"

Credits and personnel

• Good

Charts

Weekly charts

• Remove Digital Song Sales and Alternative Songs per Wikipedia:CHARTS

Year-end charts

• Good

Certifications

• Isn't RIAA supposed to be sales+streaming and BPI shipments?

I use the templates, I think they display correct information, though.

Release history

• Think we could get this table in to improve the article as the required information exists?

We don't know the medium it was released on on January 30. And in addition to that we only know the release date for the US alternative radio. I personally don't think we need an extra table for the minimum of info we have.

Fine

See also

• More lists should be added; take List of number-one singles and albums in Sweden for example

Could you give some more examples? Cause it only reached number one in Sweden and Latvia, and I don't see any other lists... (?)

I meant also top ten lists; I'll add these for you to make it easier

References

• Archive all of these with fix dead links
• Ref 1 should be fixed to still cite Tidal as the publisher but not mention the service in the title itself
• Rolling Stone shouldn't be cited as a publisher on ref 12 as it is needs to be in italics

I'm confused... it is cited as "work", but still isn't displayed in italics (?)

You had accidentally opened italics in the text, fixed this for you.

• Use Hotpress.com as the publisher on ref 15 without the alternate wikilink as this doesn't need to be done per policy
• Refs 17, 33 and 34 should all have the last name presented before the first
• Vox shouldn't be cited as a publisher on ref 21 as it is needs to be in italics
• Ref 25 is bad on copyvio per MOS:QUOTE

It can be used since it's a quote of Eilish's. Also reworded so that it's clear.

As long as it's under the copyvio it's fine, even if it's a quote

• Wikilink Vulture to New York (magazine) on ref 33
• Wikilink ABC to ABC Online on ref 34
• Refs 53 and 57 are unreliable per WP:NOTRSMUSIC
• Ref 76 should solely cite Recording Industry Association of Malaysia as a publisher
• Ref 77 should wikilink to Billboard (magazine) for consistency in the article
• Possible wikilink for ref 83?

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until the changes are made, great job here though! --Kyle Peake (talk) 14:17, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Thanks for the review. I solved all the concerns apart from where commented. Greets; Cartoon network freak (talk) 20:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Made a few minor tweaks, but now it's time... ✓ Pass! --Kyle Peake (talk) 08:46, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Bury a Friend

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Bury a Friend's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "mtv":

• From Xanny (song): Roth, Madeline (April 4, 2019). "Billie Eilish's When We All Fall Asleep: A Complete Breakdown From Finneas O'Connell". MTV. Archived from the original on April 13, 2020. Retrieved April 27, 2020.
• From When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?: Roth, Madeline (April 9, 2019). "Billie Eilish's When We All Fall Asleep: A Complete Breakdown From Finneas O'Connell". MTV. Retrieved June 28, 2019.
• From Goodbye (Billie Eilish song): Roth, Madeline (April 4, 2019). "Billie Eilish's When We All Fall Asleep: A Complete Breakdown From Finneas O'Connell". MTV. Retrieved March 12, 2020.
• From Lovely (Billie Eilish and Khalid song): Roth, Madeline (April 26, 2018). "Billie Eilish And Khalid Are Trapped In A Glass Case Of Emotion In 'Lovely' Video". MTV. Retrieved May 5, 2020.
• From Ilomilo (song): Roth, Madeline (April 4, 2019). "Billie Eilish's When We All Fall Asleep: A Complete Breakdown from Finneas O'Connell". MTV. Archived from the original on April 13, 2020. Retrieved April 10, 2020.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 08:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC)