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On 17 January 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from California's 1st State Senatorial district to California's 1st senatorial district. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 17 January 2024

Latest comment: 9 months ago21 comments12 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 15:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

– Per WP:CONCISE and WP:LOWERCASE, similar to California's 1st congressional district. This still satisfies Fluffy89502's point regarding the state constitution's naming convention (Article IV, Section 6). Basically, my outlook is that either (A) Foo's nth State Senate district or (B) Foo's nth senatorial distrct is fine, but (C) Foo's nth State Senatorial district is cumbersome and wordy.

By that logic, I don't think there's any need to change the Assembly district pages (e.g. California's 1st State Assembly district) since those contain the unmodified phrase "State Assembly" in them. Woko Sapien (talk) 22:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 00:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Note that this change would make California Senate districts identical to how Ohio Senate districts are formatted. --Woko Sapien (talk) 19:25, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Support – both the more concise wording and the lowercasing make sense. State Senatorial is not a proper name, and is by far more lowercase in sources. Dicklyon (talk) 22:55, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Support - on the presumption that this will be done for all the states' senatorial districts. GoodDay (talk) 18:58, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
This search doesn't find any similar pattern for other states. This one shows Ohio done as proposed here. Texas and Pennsylvania have a different pattern. Not sure about other states. Trying to do them all the same would be a much bigger deal than what this proposal is currently about. And state governments are not all alike in the US, so some may not even have a Senate (e.g. Nebraska Legislature), or districts (I don't know). Dicklyon (talk) 22:45, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Would prefer "California's Nth State Senate district". Not sure how I feel about this move. Elli (talk | contribs) 00:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
That's actually how they were originally formatted. They were changed last year to be closer to the state constitution's wording (as seen here). Woko Sapien (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Doesn't that seem like an article about the district of California's Nth State Senate? The capitalization gives the impression of a proper name with an incorrect boundary. Moreover, "State Senate" isn't a proper name (and neither is "California's Nth State Senate"). I oppose that alt rename suggestion. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:17, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
No? Also, "State Senate" is part of a proper noun ("California State Senate") and that's the context in which it's being referenced. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:24, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Support per nom and DL. Concise and when modified, we should lc. Cinderella157 (talk) 13:01, 23 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oppose in this form, per WP:CONSISTENT. It is worthwhile to examine how this is treated in other states and be consistent with the majority of them, then move the rest to comply. I took a quick jaunt through Category:State legislative districts of the United States, and the dominant form is "State's Nth Senate district", and this does seem the ideal form to me for precision moderated by concision, as well as avoiding an unnecessary conversion of a noun to an adjective form. Well, ideal with one exception: I'm not sure why these have a possessive in them, when "California Nth Senate district" would work fine, and would be more consistent with the article naming of state government bodies across the board (e.g., we don't have an article on "Texas's Court of Appeals", "New Hampshire's Department of Agriculture", "Mississippi's State Senate", etc., etc.; that format is pretty much unheard of, so its use in this case is weird and undesirable).
I think it would be more productive to make a total list of these and mass-RM the lot of them to have a single format, then do the same with the other house and get as close to consistent as possible with them (but in blocks; different states use different terms including Assembly, House of Delegates, House of Representatives, and probably a few others). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

I would support a more consistent approach to naming. Cinderella157 (talk) 10:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

My guess is the possessive format is a carryover from the congressional district format that's used on Wikipedia. Woko Sapien (talk) 19:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

"State's Nth senate district"? Senate is not a proper name, and neither is "State's Nth Senate". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Alt rename per Elli 's suggestion (t · c) buidhe 05:45, 24 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Support original proposal per nom. And change other states in a similar fashion. Descriptive titles work best here, as there's no evidence of a consistent proper naming for this in sources. — Amakuru (talk) 11:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Support original proposal per Amakuru. —В²C ☎ 18:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

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