Talk:Canadian Forces Military Police

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needs references--SGGH 11:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

--Most of this stuff is on the forces.gc.ca website, or mpmuseum.ca. The part about MPs being peace officers is somewhere imbedded in the justice.gc.ca website, it's very difficult to find however. All of this information is correct, though.

they are peace officers according to the Criminal Code of Canada s.2(g)(i) and (ii) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdchargers12 (talk • contribs) 00:00, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Canadian Embassies

This isn't really discussion, but are they guarded by the Military Police at all the embassies or mostly by private firms?

Reply: I'm an MP reservist, and as far as I know, security at embassies are ^usually^ provided by the MPs.

• Embassy security is the responsibility of the Military Security Guard Unit (not a great name since they're not 'security guards') out of Ottawa. Members are posted to MSGU, then seconded to DFAIT and sent where they're needed. Flakeloaf 07:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I saw an omission

quote they cannot arrest non-members under the National Defence Act but may do so at the request of Minister of Public Safety, the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police or the Commissioner of Corrections.unquote

being peace officers under the criminal code of Canada military police may arrest any person, military or civilian whom they find committing a criminal offense. I don't know if that omission was intentional or otherwise but the article reads like military police need to play 'mother may I' with other organizations before they can do their jobs. They don't need anyone's permission to arrest civilians as long as they follow the criminal code of Canada and charter of rights just like any other cop.

I tried to edit this but cannot find the right place to edit this introduction. The nearest edit sent me to the history of the military police section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.181.48 (talk) 18:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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Choice of infobox.

Are there any obections if I change the infobox from military unit to law enforcement agency?

Canadian Forces Military Police
Free use image for patch.
Free use image for .
Motto	Securitas Securing
Agency overview
Formed	1967
Employees	1,250
Jurisdictional structure
Federal agency	Canada
Operations jurisdiction	Canada
General nature	Federal law enforcement Military police Civilian police
Operational structure
Agency executive	Captain Steve Moore, Canadian Forces Provost Marshal
Parent agency	Canadian Forces
Website
http://www.vcds.forces.gc.ca/cfpm/intro_e.asp

The new infobox would look like:

{{Infobox Law enforcement agency
| agencyname      = Canadian Forces Military Police
| commonname      = 
| abbreviation    = 
| patch           =<!--Non-free image removed:  Shoulder-patch.gif-->
| patchcaption    = 
| logo            =<!--Non-free image removed:  Mplogo_b.gif-->
| logocaption     = Crest of the CF Military Police
| badge           = 
| badgecaption    = 
| flag            = 
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| mottotranslated = Securing
| mission         = 
| formed          = [[1967]]
| preceding1      = 
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| volunteers      = 
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| nongovernment   =
| country         = Canada
| federal         = Yes
| map             = 
| mapcaption      = 
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| sizepopulation  = 
| legaljuris      = 
| governingbody   = 
| governingbodyscnd = 
| constitution1   = 
| police          = Yes
| military        = Yes
| overviewtype    = 
| overviewbody    = 
| headquarters    = 
| hqlocmap        = 
| hqlocleft       = 
| hqloctop        = 
| hqlocmappoptitle = 
| sworntype       = 
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| unsworntype     = 
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| electeetype     = 
| minister1name   = 
| minister1pfo    = 
| chief1name      = [[Captain]] [[Steve Moore]] 
| chief1position  = [[Canadian Forces Provost Marshal]]
| parentagency    = [[Canadian Forces]]
| child1agency    = 
| unittype        = 
| unitname        = 
| officetype      = 
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| footnotes       = 
}}

Peet Ern (talk) 08:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Open for comment for 7 weeks: No concerns expressed.

New infobox added  Done Peet Ern (talk) 07:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I didn't notice this before - but I will object. As much as the MP being a law enforcement 'agency' in its own right, it is still a branch of the CF and the 2 over-sized blurry logos are, for a lack of better word, ugly and out of place.--Cahk (talk) 22:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Cahk, thanks for coming back with comments. I too agree that the images are ugly. An earlier version of the infobox did not have this problem, but someone changed the template without discussion. I am looking at away to fix the problem without getting into an edit conflict on the infobox template.

Image size added, and in this instance reduced.  Done Peet Ern (talk) 06:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Is it fair to say that your main concern is whether the infobox choice and hence 'personality' of the article should be miltary unit first and law enforcement agency second versus law enforcement agency first and military unit second ? Obviously my view is that the unit only exists for law enforcement purposes, and is not 'just another' combat or logistics unit. Your thoughts ?

Peet Ern (talk) 01:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your it's main and sole purpose is a law enforcement agency, but it's a military law enforcement unit. Similar to Royal Air Force Police (there are no other MP examples who have infobox), the CFMP is still a military unit, ultimately responsible to the Commander in Chief.--Cahk (talk) 06:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what you are saying here. Because there are limited examples just means perhaps that they have not been edited up yet. Indeed, I intend to go through the whole lot over the next few months, so by then there would be many examples of MP using the lea infobox. There might actually be a strogner argument for the CFMP to be lea infoboxed than some other MP because it can be given authority to act on civilians (according to the article) where as many other MP cannot ? Peet Ern (talk) 06:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I meant most military police (if it exists) wiki page don't have infobox - the ones that do have are RAFP and a few US ones that use Gov agency box instead. Canadian MPs generally cannot police civilians despite being peace officer unless at the request of another agency.--Cahk (talk) 06:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Powers of Arrest

Canadian Forces Administrative Orders[1]

15. Military police investigate and report on all criminal and service offenses committed by persons subject to the Code of Service Discipline and on all other criminal and security violations or offenses that occur on or in respect of Defence establishments, works, materiel, CF operation or any other lawful undertakings.

25. Military police may exercise jurisdiction with respect to:

a. persons subject to the Code of Service Discipline, without regard to their rank, status or location; and

b. all other persons in regard to an incident or offence, real or alleged, on or in respect of a Defence establishment, Defence works, Defence materiel, CF operations or other lawful undertaking.

While they are Peace Officers, they are limited by CFAO in terms of who they have jurisdiction over (hence why only RCMP is the 'National Police Force', otherwise CFMP would also be qualified). The only 'civillian' policing events they do in Ontario are drinking-driving counter attacks, which are carried out, in conjunction and with MOU with OPP so their ability to arrest civillians not subject to CoD, in my view, is during emergencies.--Cahk (talk) 06:07, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

In addition to the above, Words and Phrases (a legal dictionary) volume 6-536 cites Supreme Court of Canada.. "does not extend the authority of military police to act as "peace officers" throughout a province and in relation to all residents of a province...the additional powers of peace officers under the Criminal Code [are only applicable] in relation to men and women subject to the Code of Service Discipline."--Cahk (talk) 05:16, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I was a military policeman in borden ontario for six years, during my time I arrested more civilians than military people, mostly pilferers, thieves, the occasional stalker, and young offenders and I executed warrants off base as per the criminal code

there are two types of mp, badge carrying peace officers recognized by the criminal code of canada and having special powers under the national defense act and then there are reservists, who do not have a badge and are not recognized by the criminal code of canada and have no special powers under the national defense act

this is what confuses most people - regular force military police men and women work as undercover narcotic agents, work close protection for vips, can be specialists in every field that their civilian counterpart can be up to and including investigation of murder

during my time I was trained as a criminal intelligence analyst, a breathalyzer technician, advanced investigator(you had to be your own csi team!), and forensic artist

most people watch american movies and they portray mps as these big guys in helmets that raise and lower gates to the base in canada the military police are quite different —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.168.249 (talk) 05:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

R. v. Nolan, [1987] 1 S.C.R. 1212

The military policeman had no authority under s. 2(f)(i) of the Code to demand that the accused provide a breathalyzer sample. That section, which prescribes that "peace officer" includes "officers and men of the Canadian Forces who are appointed for the purposes of section 134 of the National Defence Act", does not extend the authority of military police to act as "peace officers" throughout a province and in relation to all residents of a province, duplicating the role and function of the civil police. Section 2 of the Code serves only to grant additional powers to enforce the criminal law to persons who must otherwise operate within the limits of their statutory or common law sources of authority. In the case of military policemen, the purposes of s. 134 are clear: the section provides that they may exercise authority over persons subject to the Code of Service Discipline. That is the full extent of the grant of power. Section 2(f)(i) must be construed, therefore, as extending to persons appointed for the purposes of s. 134 of the National Defence Act the additional authority to enforce the Criminal Code, but only in relation to persons subject to the Code of Service Discipline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.82.186.253 (talk) 00:57, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

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