Talk:Capriccio Espagnol

Shorthand for orchestral instrumentation

This format might be terse and require some degree of knowledge, nevertheless it is standard, used quite frequently and any amateur orchestra player will be able to see at a glance whether his instrument is called for.

In longhand, the instrumentation for the Capriccio would read:

"Two flutes and extra piccolo; two oboes, one of which doubles on cor anglais; two clarinets; two bassoons; four horns; two trumpets; three trombones; one tuba; timpani; percussion; harp; and strings."

The German wikipedia has an article on this shorthand format for giving the instrumentation (de:Kurzschrift_Orchesterbesetzung which I habitually link up when using the shorthand format, compare de:Capriccio espagnol. So far I haven't found anything like that in the English wikipedia though, but I posted an inquiry on talk:Orchestra. If there really isn't anything, I will translate the German page one of these days.--Cancun771 19:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but that's too terse and requires too much specialized knowledge to be useful to the general readership expected to actually use these articles. Please keep in mind that this work is not intended for an academic or musically-trained audience.

If you look at musical writing, like liner notes on record albums, music dictionaries and the like, you'll see that they use the standard prose format that we're using here. The format you put in is used by such folks as music vendors, but again, that's not our audience.

I would appreciate it if you could fix the inevitable mistakes I made in translating to the less-terse format. +ILike2BeAnonymous 00:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I am a professional journalist and translator. Call me vain but I think the time I choose to spend on Wikipedia had better be allocated to somewhat more complex tasks. If you insist on changing to "standard prose" then you should strive to avoid any errors yourselves. In this instance, it would have been easy enough just to copy and paste the correct version from the discussion page.--Cancun771 09:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Quasi Guitara for Violas

Here's a link to the International Music Score Library Project score of Capriccio Espagnol, mvt. 5. On page 3, just before rehearsal letter S, you can see that the violas have a similar notation as the violins and cellos. It does not actually say "quasi guitara" on the viola staff in the score, but the viola part is marked with up/down bows despite being pizzicato (pizzicato starts at measure 8 of fifth movement). I play viola and have played this piece, and in the parts it does say "quasi guitara", although I know that you can't take my word for it.

72.227.27.201 00:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Language of the "English" version of the name

This work was written by a Russian, as an evocation of Spain. Can anyone explain why, in the Anglosphere, it's known by a title that's partly in Italian ("Capriccio") and partly in French ("Espagnol")? Who dreamt up that absurd concoction? A fully Italian title would be "Capriccio spagnolo" (and that's what the Italian WP article is called). A fully French title would be "Caprice espagnole", although apparently the French use the same title as the English do, except that they don't capitalise "espagnol".

Which brings me to my second question. Since in neither Italian nor French do they capitalise titles except for the first word and any proper nouns, why isn't it "Capriccio espagnol"? -- JackofOz (talk) 07:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

• It used to be lower-case 'e' and was moved in Feb-08. You can move it back if you want. I agree that lower-case-e is more correct, but capital-e is a very common misspelling. As far as the language difference, I think Rimsky was just following along with Tchaikovsky's Capriccio Italien from seven years earlier, but that just passes the question along to that piece. No idea.DavidRF (talk) 07:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, David. I got a bit side-tracked. See below. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 21:37, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

No go, apparently. Ah, well ... -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 11:51, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: not moved Kotniski (talk) 11:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

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Capriccio Espagnol → Capriccio espagnol – French capitalisation conventions require demonyms to be in lower case. It's a little unclear in this case, since the head word "Capriccio" is Italian. But "Espagnol" is definitely French, so French rules should apply to it. Jack of Oz [your turn] 21:37, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:USEENGLISH, such as English Grammar Rules. 65.95.13.213 (talk) 04:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Comment it is in no way definitely French. I see that it definitely could be SPANISH. "español" is Spanish. 65.95.13.213 (talk) 04:21, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, of course it's French. The Spanish word for "Spanish" is español. The French word for "Spanish" is espagnol. That's what we have here, the French word. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 18:40, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

As this is English Wikipedia, where accents are dropped frequently, it could be easily be Spanish. 65.95.13.213 (talk) 05:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

No, it is definitely NOT Spanish. There is no "g" in the Spanish word español, but there is a "g" in the French word espagnol. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 08:53, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose. Google Web, News, Books, Scholar, and Images overwhelmingly favor the capital. In particular News, which reflects how people expect to see the title, and is 90% capital. Therefore the capital conforms to Wikipedia policies of recognizability and naturalness. The capital also helps the title cohere when it is used in the middle of a sentence. Although WikiProject:Opera retains the orthography of foreign opera titles despite English convention, I know of no similar policy for instrumental musical compositions, especially when they have country name adjectives. Softlavender (talk) 08:27, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

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Usage in Pizza Hut commercial

@Captain Parmenter Are you really sure about the usage of the 4th part in the Pizza Hut commercial with Mikhail Gorbachev? I've listened to the piece and I'm not really convinced tbh. Shazam doesn't recognize it either. PhotographyEdits (talk) 14:05, 28 April 2023 (UTC)