Talk:Carrie Nation

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This is the only place I've ever read that Carry Nation was tall. She is almost always described as "short".

I must disagree - she's always said to be almost 6 feet tall, which is a lot for a woman even today, and certainly back then; sources often add that she was around 175 pounds, and that her size contributed to her imposing presence (although carrying a hatchet didn't hurt) - DavidWBrooks 19:59, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Junk characters

Someone inserting a bunch of junk characters @ the end of the article. I removed it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.191.19.42 (talk) 22:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

While I'm (obviously) not qualified to add anything to this page, it should be noted the that the town of Holly, Michigan celebrates a Carrie Nation festival every year at the conclusion of summer. This festival is not noted in the Wiki page for either Holly or Carrie Nation. Is it insignificant?

Questions

Shouldn't this "2006" get reverted to 2007 or 2008? Just to be more accurate?

The Kansas City World, April 15, 1901</ref> She was promptly arrested, fined $500 ($11,500 in 2006 dollars), —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fejj the ritual (talk • contribs) 03:31, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you change the figure so it reflects 2008 values.Yopienso (talk) 23:17, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Junk

For some reason I don't think this dear lady was 67 feet tall or 17510 pounds. Perhaps somebody can correct this because I am too lazy.--Regnimri (talk) 19:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Overlooked vandalism, reverted. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 21:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Questionable phrasing

Under the "Early Life" section it states that "young Carrie often tended to the slave quarters as a result." Given the unclear nature of this statement I am led to believe this is a euphamism for something else? Could somebody please clarify or remove this phrase? • Freechild'sup? 15:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

What a Nazi! The tone of the article could be less positive considering that she used terror methods to prevent people from doing legal recreational things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.70.40.166 (talk) 12:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

You're an idiot. Please finish high school. Hang About (talk) 19:56, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Carrie vs. Carry

The signed photo in the article shows the subject's first name spelled "Carry", but the article spells it variously "Carrie" and "Carry". One would presume that Mrs. Nation would have been the ultimate authority on the spelling of her name.—Quicksilver^{T @} 14:08, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

The article talks about this issue, thus: "The spelling of her first name is ambiguous and both Carrie and Carry are considered correct. Official records say Carrie, which Nation used most of her life; Carry was used by her father in the family Bible. Upon beginning her campaign against liquor in the early 20th century, she adopted the name Carry A. Nation mainly for its value as a slogan, and had it registered as a trademark in the state of Kansas. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 18:49, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Naperville --> Carry/Carrie

Someone replaced every instance of Carry and Carrie with her daughter's name, Naperville. Can only be fixed manually and I'm too lazy. Can someone with some time fix? This happened on that May 2, 2011 revision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.163.207 (talk) 05:57, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Unsourced material

I've removed some unsourced material which may be true. Please source it if you reinsert it. I've also removed Ethnicity: Battle Axe. Yopienso (talk) 06:17, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

FYI, if useful

A Texas newspaper's website makes this claim:[1]

"Across the Brazos River, the Velasco [Texas] World was owned by Oscar Nation, whose alcoholism led his mother, Carrie Nation, on her famed rampage against saloons."

Apparently some information about this comes from A Window to the Past: A Pictorial History of Brazoria County, Texas. [2] Woodshed (talk) 00:42, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Unreliable source

http://www.zianet.com/maxey/reflx335.htm is a secondary or tertiary source using unsourced quotes. It's someone's personal site with no relevant citations. Not a good source for facts or quotes. I suggest removing the link and removing all information associated with it, if it can't be found elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.201.7.21 (talk) 22:06, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Rocks

... she began to destroy the saloon's stock with her cache of rocks.

Hence, the phrase "on the rocks." Sca (talk) 14:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Unlikely. "On the rocks" refers to liquor poured over ice cubes.Hang About (talk) 20:02, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Slave Owner Parents

I'm a little concerned about this sentence:

Carrie Nation was born Carrie Amelia Moore in Garrard County, Kentucky, to slave owners George and Mary Campbell Moore.

It would be a very reasonable assumption that many many whites in Kentucky were "slave owners". Is it relevant to Carrie Nation's story? It doesn't seem to "tie in" very well. Hang About (talk) 19:59, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Terrorism?

I deleted a description of her acts as "terrorism", which is an inflammatory term inappropriate to the article. Carry Nation indulged in gratuitous and illegal property damage - basically glorified vandalism - with little threat to people indirectly and no physical assaults. Compared to the 19th century bomb throwing anarchists and the pro and anti slavery contingents in pre Civil War "Bloody Kansas", the nearest counterparts to real modern day terrorists, her crimes were mild. To describe her acts as "terrorism" de facto extends the term to include modern day vandals, the milder versions of eco saboteurs, and even peaceful protesters who deliberately or accidentally inhibit normal business such as commuting and product deliveries causing loss of economic income. None of which cannot be justifiably lumped in with the likes of Al Quaeda, Hamas, the Red Brigades, the Weathermen, etc, let alone state inspired terrorism. The closest claim to such would be that her acts eventually assisted the Prohibition, a windfall for US organized crime so huge the Mafia would have bankrolled Carry Nation if they'd only known.

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St James hotel

The article reads "One hotel she did not smash was the St James of Minneapolis."

Yes this is sourced and the article linked to is interesting but implies it probably wasn't a drinking hotel. The above line on its own and without context just seems a bit odd to me as a casual reader. I'm sure there are hundreds of hotels (of the booze selling type) that she didn't smash. Equally it implies that the St James was like every other public bar but she chose not to destroy it whereas the article seems a bit tongue in cheek, more of the "this is one place she won't smash" kind of thing. I'm not sure what can be done with all this - the sourced article is interesting - but I'm not convinced in belongs where it does without some more wording. Tigerman2005 (talk) 01:44, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks; I agree with you and have removed that sentence. YoPienso (talk) 16:24, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

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Maiden name

There is disagreement about whether to include Nation's maiden name in the very introduction - it is not common in wikipedia and adds, IMHO, nothing of value since it has no signficiance in her fame. But perhaps others disagree. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 03:13, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

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Contemporary coverage

A profile of her appeared in Slate in Sep 2021. Appears to be an excerpt from a forthcoming Oxford University Press book by Mark Schrad. Pushes back hard against negative and misogynist characterizations of her. Perhaps somehow worth integrating into article (?): https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/09/carry-nation-biography-reasons-for-activism.html --Presearch (talk) 22:27, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Footnote 12, the basis for the sentence below, cites a story without any documentation...?

In addition to their financial difficulties, many of Moore's family members suffered from mental illness, her mother at times having delusions. Thirddaughter (talk) 23:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)