Talk:Caterina Valente

"United States" and "International"

As I post this, the introductory description includes the phrase "While she is best-known as an international performer, Valente also spent part of her career in the United States". Since when was the United States not international? (Asking from Canada.) --Rob Kelk 14:48, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

You make a good point. The wording could have been better. Therefore I have cleaned up the article, and fixed a number of inaccuracies and errors at the same time. Editrite! (talk) 09:38, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

1945....

1945 she and her family were arrested and deported to Soviet Union. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:2AA9:CB00:75C3:39D8:FCAA:6618 (talk) 10:49, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Caterina Valente - Incorrect entries

(copied from my talk) We are writing to you regarding the entries you have made on the English Wikipedia page of Caterina Valente. We kindly request that you promptly remove all your contributions as they contain numerous inaccuracies about the late artist. Many of these entries are based on tabloid articles, which are often unreliable. Please understand that while we have no intention of pursuing legal action at this time, as the rightful successors of Caterina Valente, we reserve all rights in this matter. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

We wanted to take a moment to provide some clarifications regarding the information about Caterina Valente that might need correction.

1. "Valente never owned a house in Beverly Hills."
2. "Valente starred in more than 80 TV shows in the USA. 'The Entertainers' was a 21-episode series, and other notable shows include 'Caterina from Heidelberg,' 'Caterina Valente in Concert,' and 'Caterina Valente à l'Olympia.' These are just a few of her personality shows transmitted on US television, her Guest Star appearances can also be checked on IMDB ."
3. "Valente is not a star from a German-speaking country; she started on stage in Germany and began her recording career there."
4. The German word "Varieté" translates to "Vaudeville" in English.
5. "Caterina Valente did not grow up in Germany. From her birth until her marriage to her first husband, she resided in Paris and toured Europe as part of her mother's act."
6. "Caterina Valente was not in the USA in 1954, so the story about the musical CAN CAN is not true."

Additionally, we noticed that there are quite a few mistakes related to word choice and grammar that need attention. Given that you asked us to write in English, we were also puzzled by Ms. Valente being quoted in German regarding an uninteresting fact about returning her driver’s license. Lastly, one of the most significant aspects of Caterina Valente's career is her numerous personality TV variety shows like "Bonsoir Kathrin," "Die Caterina Valente Show," "Musik ist mein Leben," "Nata per la Musica," and many others which have been overlooked.

These points suggest that perhaps more thorough research might be necessary to accurately inform others about the artist Caterina Valente. Eric vanAro (talk) 11:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I removed the tabloid source, dropped growing up in Germany (which was not added by me), the lead item about German-speaking countries (but it should be said some other way), and the 1954 story (although written by SWR which looked reliable to me). I also dropped the type of theatre for the Friedrichsbau, leaving it neutral, - neither varieté nor vaudeville is mentioned in the theatre's article. IDMb is not regarded as a reliable source. You can improve yourself, with good sources that is. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I would like to extend my heartfelt thanks for your immediate reaction and corrections regarding the recent updates. We truly appreciate your efforts and dedication.

Regrettably, I have been informed that as the son of the deceased, I am not permitted to make any edits myself. This has been difficult for me to accept, especially considering that IMDb, a renowned professional database, does not seem to be taken as seriously as one might expect. In light of this, it seems inconsistent that sources like ALLMusic and Discogs are accepted without question.

Moreover, it's concerning to note that even SWR and many televised news outlets often derive their information from unreliable sources. It is not uncommon for record companies and TV companies who have worked with Ms. Valente to release incorrect information about her.

Once again, thank you for your assistance in this matter. Should you require any further information or clarification, please do not hesitate to reach out. Eric vanAro (talk) 14:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

It will probably not help you, but Discogs is also not regarded as reliable. (Muziekweb is.) - I am open to suggestions of what to change, probably others as well. Just suggest here and we'll see what we can do. You were blessed with a wonderful mother. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, so nice of you to say. Eric vanAro (talk) 15:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

While reviewing the entries on the page in question, I've noticed that a significant portion of the information seems to be sourced from German resources. Some of these sources are no longer available, and there appears to be a fair amount of repetition among the entries. Additionally, I've come across some major inaccuracies regarding the artist.

I understand how challenging it can be to maintain such extensive records, and I truly appreciate the effort that goes into it. I just wanted to bring these points to your attention in case there might be an opportunity for improvement. Rm8505264 (talk) 07:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

You will have to say precisely what you doubt, want to see changed, or to see checked against which source. Nobody will even look at a rather long article on unspecific claims of inaccuracy. Feel free to make changes yourself instead of being served. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

thank you, will try my best to do so Rm8505264 (talk) 08:36, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

thank you for helping! - please keep in mind that some duplications are wanted: the introduction (or lead) is a summary, and facts mentioned there should also appear in the body, there with a reference, and often more detail. sometimes even more duplication is permissible when in different sections, because we can't expect readers to read consecutively from start to finish. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

does not sound logic and I wanted to discuss the points you raised regarding Valente's recording history.

It seems there might be some confusion, as your argument doesn't align with the information I've encountered. You mentioned an article stating that Valente faced challenges with different labels and didn't release many records. However, it's puzzling how she could be recognized by the Guinness Book of World Records as Europe's most successful female recording artist, having released over 1,350 recordings by 1985.

I could be missing something here, and I’m open to understanding your perspective better. Perhaps we can look into this further together? Rm8505264 (talk) 10:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

also the 2nd Cross of Merit in Germany, and the Cross of Merit in France is missing,, would you like me to check the resources? Rm8505264 (talk) 10:50, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Clarification: I am not the writer of this article, many wrote it. I came in rather late, after the notice of her death, and helped with a big problem: lack of reliable references. I actually wrote very little of the content. You can click on "view history" and see exactly who wrote what when. This also explains why it is a bit like patchwork: many people added a bit here and there.

"not logical" - I don't understand. Look at any higher quality article on Wikipedia, and you'll find that there's a summary (without references) at the beginning, and then comes the body of the article, with more detail and with the references. That sounds logical to me. There's no good summary of how many languages she spoke and used in singing, so that has to be there twice, unless you think it's not important for the summary. In this case it's mentioned three times, once more for the recordings. Someone put it there, and nobody thought that it didn't make sense in that context also.

I don't remember the "different labels challenges" exactly, - wasn't that related to the U.S. market? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

I looked it up: it was only an explanation why there no more recordings with the before-mentioned stars. Perhaps you can find a way to write that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)