Talk:Center squeeze

IRV images

@Jasavina could you combine the two rounds of IRV into one image? I think a basic .gif that cycles between the two would work, or you could just display them side-by-side. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 03:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

(And normalize the values to make them add up to 100%, so we can intuitively understand them?) Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 03:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

How's that? I don't currently have the skills to make a gif that would be non-trash. Jasavina (talk) 18:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Ahh, no worries, I can make it myself then. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 21:57, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

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Distribution of winning candidates under RCV, showing a bias towards extremes

• ... that in Burlington's second election using ranked-choice voting, independent Bob Kiss was elected despite his opponent being preferred by over half the voters?
  • ALT0a:... that in Burlington's second election by ranked-choice voting, Bob Kiss was elected despite his opponent being preferred by a majority of voters?
• *ALT0b:... that in Alaska's first election by ranked-choice voting, Mary Peltola was elected despite her opponent Nick Begich being preferred by a majority of voters?
• ALT1a:... that candidates can win under ranked-choice voting, even if their opponent is preferred by more than half of all voters?
  • ALT1b:... that a candidate can win under ranked-choice voting even if their opponent is preferred by more than half of all voters?
• ALT2a:... that ranked-choice voting tends to favor extremists over consensus picks?
• ALT3a:...that the image to the right depicts how ranked-choice voting tends to favor extremist candidates, not a black hole?
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Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC).

• This is more of a comment than a review for now, but I have some reservations about the hook. For instance, the subject of the hook is Center squeeze, but the article is more about Burlington's second election. Unless you want to make it a double hook, I'm not sure if the current hook as written is appropriate or at least meets WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE regarding hooks being primarily about the subject. My suggestion would be to write a hook that's specifically about Center squeeze itself (perhaps something about its spoiler effect?), as opposed to a specific example. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
  • Hmm, maybe? I'm a bit torn, since I feel like concrete examples make it easier to understand the topic. I've added some possible alternatives, though.– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 17:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
    • ALT1a might have potential, but it's currently a WP:SEAOFBLUE and so may need to be fixed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
      • Fixed as best I could in Alt1b. I also added Alt0a, because I think an example of center squeeze is closely related (enough to satisfy the DYK guideline). I've also suggested the example of the AK special election, since I think it gets brought up in the lead of the article.– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 15:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

I've done some formatting to the hooks which may or may not rectify your concerns.--Launchballer 12:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, the new hooks should work. Given how the hooks based on examples are not only specific but may require specialist knowledge, I've struck them. The nom is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

@Closed Limelike Curves: There are huge amounts of unsourced content in this! Please fix them. When you've done that, I will give this a proper review.--Launchballer 11:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Fixed. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I still see unsourced content.--Launchballer 07:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Could you clarify where/how? I can't see any, apart from the fictional example. That one doesn't have citations because I thought examples of basic computations didn't require sources; I've seen similar examples on other math pages.– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

My gut says the Alphabet example, First past-the-post and Ranked choice runoff sections shouldn't be there, although I'm not sure on what policy grounds. (Maybe WP:DUE?) The sentence beginning "In the 2009 election" needs a cite that isn't Wikipedia and there are two WP:MEDIUM sources - what makes them reliable?--Launchballer 07:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Notability of the term center squeeze?

Hi,

I am not sure the term "center squeeze" is that common in academic social choice research. Are there any notable pointers for it appearing somewhere? @Closed Limelike Curves Jannikp97 (talk) 20:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Example here and another here. I think the exact phrase "center squeeze" is fairly new, but the phenomenon has been studied for a loooooong time, going back to Black's original papers. The citations mostly call it a "squeezing effect" or talk about candidates being "squeezed out", though I think one or two actually use the term "center squeeze."

BTW, on self-published sources, the WP:SPS policy is they're generally not preferred, but can be included on a case-by-case basis. IIRC personal blog posts by experts in the field are mentioned as an explicit exception. I generally try to use SPS only as "supplementary" sources when I already have another citation; that way, readers interested in learning more can go through these themselves. Often that's because the backup source makes the same point as a different citation, but more explicitly or in greater detail.

I assume you deleted the Handbook of Approval Voting reference because you couldn't find what it was referring to; sorry about forgetting to include the page number! Generally the best tag for that is {{page number needed}}. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 21:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

(Oh, one last thing; MOS:LEADCITE allows for skipping citations in the lead if they're just repeating or summarizing information in the body. I've added citations to the parts you tagged, though.) – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 00:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)