Talk:Central Asia/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Mann Mann is vandalizing my edits in regarding Botai Culture and Tiele in this page.

IN HIS OWN reference, the reference is from Ferdowsi and says Iranians were majority SOUTH OF AMU DARYA(Oxus) Definitely not in "Central Asia". The edit implies it is in Central Asia. It is debated that Amu Darya is even Central Asia but we could use the term South of Amu Darya.

In my studies we start studying Central Asia with Botai Culture. Botai Culture is already well referenced for anyone curious. This guy claims I am adding my original research when I am just adding Botai Culture and also adding things from Book of Sui, it is a historical document that we study. This guy's edits, and this page needs to be watched. I am editing again. Next time I am taking it to Dispute Resolution. TheLastUbykh (talk) 18:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

You can't expect a talk page discussion about sources to get anywhere if you use, even in the section title, words like "vandalizing". Phil Bridger (talk) 20:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, it is ""The malicious removal of encyclopedic content, or the changing of such content beyond all recognition, without any regard to our core content policies of neutral point of view (which does not mean no point of view), verifiability and no original research, is a deliberate attempt to damage Wikipedia. "

At least in regarding my Botai Culture and Tiele edits.

For the Ferdowsi edit, the version he is trying to revert back to is literally from Ferdowsi and only applies to south of Oxus as I said. TheLastUbykh (talk) 20:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I would ask that you removed your personal attack. Thanks.

Your addition of Canfield is not correct. Nothing on page 1 of "Turko-Persia in Historical Perspective" supports;

• "This is not supported by any earlier resources in Chinese or Turkic records before Shahnameh, and can be attributed to population change after the Battle of Talas in the 8th century and expansion of Turko-Persian tradition after the defeat of Tibetan Empire."

Please post a quote and the correct page number for this sentence.

Your overfixation on Ferdowsi is rather silly, since the second reference makes no mention of him at all. Also, why did you remove the second source from the Lead?

• "C.E. Bosworth, "The Appearance of the Arabs in Central Asia under the Umayyads and the establishment of Islam", in History of Civilizations of Central Asia, Vol. IV: The Age of Achievement: AD 750 to the End of the Fifteenth Century, Part One: The Historical, Social and Economic Setting, edited by M. S. Asimov and C. E. Bosworth. Multiple History Series. Paris: Motilal Banarsidass Publ./UNESCO Publishing, 1999. excerpt from page 23: "Central Asia in the early seventh century, was ethnically, still largely an Iranian land whose people used various Middle Iranian languages.".."

This source should be restored and the mention of Ferdowsi should be removed, per BRD. Since clearly you do not have consensus for these edits.--Kansas Bear (talk) 21:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

You can't use Wikipedia articles(regardless of language) as a reference/source for Wikipedia articles. Like this one.

Also, nothing should be in the Lead of an article that is not mentioned in the article itself. Your addition of Botai and Tiele to the Lead violates this, since Botai and Tiele are not mentioned in the article.--Kansas Bear (talk) 17:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

I would also ask you to reword the header of this section and remove your personal attack. Thank you.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)