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New Page Patrol December Newsletter

Hello Wikaviani,

Year in review

It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by Rosguill who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to JTtheOG and Onel5969 who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to John B123, Hughesdarren, and Mccapra who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by DannyS712 which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.

Rank	Username	Num reviews	Log
1	DannyS712 bot III (talk)	67,552	Patrol Page Curation
2	Rosguill (talk)	63,821	Patrol Page Curation
3	John B123 (talk)	21,697	Patrol Page Curation
4	Onel5969 (talk)	19,879	Patrol Page Curation
5	JTtheOG (talk)	12,901	Patrol Page Curation
6	Mcampany (talk)	9,103	Patrol Page Curation
7	DragonflySixtyseven (talk)	6,401	Patrol Page Curation
8	Mccapra (talk)	4,918	Patrol Page Curation
9	Hughesdarren (talk)	4,520	Patrol Page Curation
10	Utopes (talk)	3,958	Patrol Page Curation

Reviewer of the Year

John B123 has been named reviewer of the year for 2020. John has held the permission for just over 6 months and in that time has helped cut into the queue by reviewing more than 18,000 articles. His talk page shows his efforts to communicate with users, upholding NPP's goal of nurturing new users and quality over quantity.

NPP Technical Achievement Award

As a special recognition and thank you DannyS712 has been awarded the first NPP Technical Achievement Award. His work programming the bot has helped us patrol redirects tremendously - more than 60,000 redirects this past year. This has been a large contribution to New Page Patrol and definitely is worthy of recognition.

Six Month Queue Data: Today – 2262 Low – 2232 High – 10271

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18:17, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Doogh Ayran Debacle

Hi Wikaviani, you seem like a very respectful and responsible editor with a lot of experince here. I see you're debating in good faith and appreciate it. I was wondering if you and I could co-operate on making the case for (and then properly splitting into) two separate articles, regardless of the outcome of the existing move request.

We'd have a better argument for two different products if we can build on the the Farsi-language videos that are in the links: just based on watching these, it is obvious to me that the the traditional doogh being prepared in the videos is a product that is much closer to buttermilk than it is to yoghurt-water.

That is to say, a good argument might be that

• doogh is a an Iranian fermented dairy drink traditionally made from the byproduct of churning butter, and is also made in its modern form by diluting yoghurt with water and adding salt
• whereas ayran is a fermented dairy drink made by diluting yoghurt with water and adding salt.

Can I expect that you'd be able to help me with this since you are able to speak the Farsi language? Wikabulary (talk) 00:09, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for posting here. I will be glad to help if i can, but please keep in mind that videos (youtube, dailymotion, etc ...) are not reliable sources.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:45, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Wikaviani!

1. Agreed that youtube might be a poor source but RS content can exist on it, right? (e.g., a new york times or CNN news clip). It seems that the video citation in this article for 'doogh' is from an Afghan news channel. There is a citation on wiktionary attesting 'doogh' from like 800 years ago as well (as a dairy drink made by butter churning). Seems like modern 'doogh' refers to a yoghurt based drink, but to prevent a merge of the upcoming articles, we'd have to separate 'doogh' sources from 'ayran' sources to a degree, and this traditional prep method would be a good start to this.

2. What is the next step? Where/how do we start a split (I am a novice user)? Do we need to start a request in the talk section or just make a separate ayran/doogh article?Wikabulary (talk) 23:47, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

References

1. Wikipedia uses reliable published sources, thus, a video, even from a well-known media outlet would not be considered as a good source, unless a published version of it exists.

2. You can create an article about Ayran, like about any other topic that is supported by reliable published sources, no need to to make a request, but if your article is deleted, then the burden will be on you to convince fellow Wikipedians that your article about Ayran is legit and relevant.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:49, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikaviani, note that particular editor has been here since 5 December 2020. Also note how said "new editor" appears to know a lot about Wikipedia policies(see:Talk:Doogh). Note their first edit, a "new user's" first edit is to post a request move on an article talk page? Rather intricate for a "new user". --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:45, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your insight. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:22, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

	Merry Christmas Wikaviani
	Hi Wikaviani, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very happy and healthy New Year, Thank you for all your contributions to Wikipedia,    –Davey2010Talk 20:12, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks Davey2010, i wish you and yours a merry Christmas and a great new year too ! Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:23, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho

M.Bitton (talk) is wishing a foaming mug of Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

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Thank you very much M.Bitton, likewise ! Cheers !---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:26, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!

Hello Wikaviani, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2021. Happy editing, Wario-Man (talk) 13:39, 25 December 2020 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Many thanks Wario-Man, i wish you and yours a merry Christmas and a happy new year ! Take care. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:31, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho

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Thank you very much JBL, i wish you and yours a merry Christmas and a great new year ! Cheers !---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:34, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

If angels sung a Savior’s birth, On that auspicious morn, We well may imitate their mirth, Now He again is born! If stars in heav'n shone bright as day To light the manger throne, We should rejoice as well as they That love doth reign alone. All Glory be to God on high, And to the earth be peace; Goodwill henceforth from heav'n to men Begin and never cease. - "Milford" by Joseph Stephenson, text anonymous

--Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:01, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

	Happy New Year!
	Hello Wikaviani: Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels? Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary blisters. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 23:19, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Happy New Year elves}} to send this message

Hi CAPTAIN RAJU, thanks very much for the kind wishes, much appreciated. I wish you and yours a happy new year too. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:57, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Helpful site

Search for books on this site.[2] --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much Kansas Bear ! Cheers !---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire

Hello! I'm currently working on the article of Nabopolassar and I found this source, which goes into quite a lot of detail on Assyria's final war. I'll be using it in Nabopolassar's article and to beef up Sinsharishkun and possibly Revolt of Babylon (626 BC) (which maybe should be merged into Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire since it's a different stage of the same conflict?), but I thought I'd let you know since you might want to expand Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire a bit with the source. I could do it myself as well, but considering you've done most of the work there and recently got it to GA I thought you might be interested in doing it yourself (also a good way to avoid the wording in all the articles from becoming essentially the same). Ichthyovenator (talk) 09:49, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey Ichthyovenator, thank you so much for the source, i will take the time to investigate it in details in about 2 or 3 weeks, when i have the time to do that in good conditions. Besides, yeah, merging Revolt of Babylon (626 BC) into Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire sounds good, as per your rationale. Best regards.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:46, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Regarding a sockpuppetry investigation

Hi Wikaviani, I recently handled a sockpuppet investigations case against you (see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wikaviani/Archive). I do not believe that the IP editor or editors from that case are you, but after re-reading the case I believe that the evidence suggests that you might be coordinating with that person, so I would like to remind you of our policies on meatpuppetry and canvassing. If I'm wrong and you are not coordinating with this other person, then I apologize for the incorrect accusation. GeneralNotability (talk) 02:34, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi GeneralNotability, firstly, let me say that i'm not that person and no worries, i accept your apologies. I took a look at the SPI case and the thread on your talk and since you're not a Checkuser, i'll give you some perspective about all this. I'm a Frenchman (you can verify this quite easily with a checkuser) of Iranian descent, we have a proverb here, in France, (attributed to Talleyrand, if i'm not mistaken) that says "méfiez vous de la première impression car c'est souvent la bonne", that means "beware of the first impression because it is often the right one". Your first impression was the correct one, being of Iranian descent, i often edit Iran-related topics, and there is nothing surprising that other Iranian editors (Ips or registered) often edit these topics too. If i was one (or all) of the disruptive IPs, or, if they were my buddies, then why would i revert them here and here again ? and why would i file a RPP to prevent further disruption ? Why would the IP post a "warning message" on my talk accusing me of "Arab propaganda" ? Also, there was some other disruption not mentioned by Apaugasma : [3], [4], [5], [6] which proves that these articles are targetted by trolls, thus, nothing surprising with the surge of disruptive editors sometimes. There are other arguments that would show you that i have nothing to do with the disruptive editors, but i don't want to disclose them on my public talk, i could clarify by email if you want. Maybe a checkuser would also be useful. Please let me know if you think i'm mistaken. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:56, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikaviani, thanks for the reply. I don't need anything private, I wanted to give you that notice in case you were associated with the person behind that IP. Between the diffs you linked and your explanations, I'm satisfied that you're not connected. Please accept my apologies for the incorrect accusation. Best, GeneralNotability (talk) 23:54, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi

I wonder what you think of the changes on the page Turks in Algeria and can you look at the talk page there, whats your opinion?Loveisthebest1 (talk) 19:36, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

How my explanation about the current environment of my mother town city (Zanjan), can be counted as an advertising item !!!???

Hi Ms. Sahar Khodayari (Wikaviani), Your reply made me confused. You mentioned that "your edit to the page Talk:Iranian Azerbaijanis, seem to be advertising" but I can't understand how my explanation about the current environment of my mother-town city, can be counted as an advertising item !!!??? And unfortunately it looks my comment was removed from the list, probably because of that wrong misleading (advertising issue !!!) but as you definitely know, that wasn't advertising item at all. Regards, Behnam Behnam.Zanjan (talk) 07:07, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

User talk:Behnam.Zanjan From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigationJump to search Welcome! Hello, Behnam.Zanjan, and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate encyclopedic contributions, but some of your recent contributions, such as your edit to the page Talk:Iranian Azerbaijanis, seem to be advertising or for promotional purposes. Wikipedia does not allow advertising. For more information on this, please see:

Policy on neutral point of view Guideline on spam Guideline on external links Guideline on conflict of interest FAQ for Organizations If you still have questions, there is a new contributors' help page, or you can click here to ask a question on your talk page. You may also find the following pages useful for a general introduction to Wikipedia:

The five pillars of Wikipedia How to edit a page and how to develop articles Help pages Tutorials Article wizard for creating new articles Simplified Manual of Style Task Center – need some ideas of what kind of things need doing? Go here. I hope you enjoy editing Wikipedia! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (Behnam.Zanjan (talk) 07:07, 13 April 2021 (UTC)); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Feel free to write a note on the bottom of my talk page if you want to get in touch with me. Again, welcome! ---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 07:44, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, your comment on the article's talk page was not supported by any source, that's why i (and another editor) reverted it. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of 2021 Avignon shooting for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2021 Avignon shooting is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 Avignon shooting until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Sakiv (talk) 00:20, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sakiv: Thanks for the courtesy note.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Mehmed the Conqueror

Hi, what was wrong with my edit at Mehmed the Conqueror. I added source and respected Wikipedia rules. Please guide me to correct any errors if any. --82.76.0.201 (talk)

Hi IP, thanks for posting here. As far as i can see, you reworded the article in a less neutral version (by replacing "Some sources indicate that Mehmed had a passion" with "sources indicate that Mehmed had a passion") and you removed a source too. That's why i reverted your edits. Best regards.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:51, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh no, it's a misunderstanding. The source wasn't removed, it just automatically showed it was rewritten, because i rephrased the sentence so it would be together with the added content. I think it's better to add a paragraph below the one I tried to edit and to include the same idea. I just want to know if it's okay to say that some Greek sources say something about Mehmed II. I ain't implying it is a fact what the Greek sources say, but it contributes on a broader image on the subject by including the view on Mehmed from his life time. --213.233.110.242 (talk) 23:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

And I am really sorry, now I realized my IP changed even though I use same device. Just letting you know it's still me. --213.233.110.242 (talk) 00:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Third opinion at Talk:Genetic studies on Turkish people

Hi Wikaviani! If you would like to participate in the third opinion process, which is optional and non-binding, please provide a short comment at [Talk:Genetic studies on Turkish people#Third opinion|this section of the talk page]] at your earliest convenience. Thanks! Firefangledfeathers (talk) 06:27, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers: Thanks for the notification. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:36, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Khwarazmian dynasty § Splitting proposal

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Khwarazmian dynasty § Splitting proposal. Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 06:45, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

@Visioncurve: Thanks for the invitation, i will join the discussion with pleasure. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:40, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Removing others' posts from talk pages

A list of valid reasons to edit or remove others' posts from talk pages is given at WP:TALKO. This is not on the list. Please don't do this again.

As for the level-2 warning: I can see why you don't agree with it, but please do consider that my welcome post contained a first warning, and that the editor proceeded with another disruptive edit. I also believe they were probably acting in good faith (it's hard to interpret why they don't respond at their talk page, but maybe they just don't know that they even can do this), and if they would have followed up with more of the same, I would have tried to engage them on their talk page before going to a level-3 warning. Nevertheless, the escalating warning system exists for a reason, and I try my best to be patient with newcomers in any case. Apaugasma (talk|contribs) 22:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

"A list of valid reasons to edit or remove others' posts from talk pages is given at WP:TALKO. This is not on the list. Please don't do this again." : @Apaugasma: I'm perfectly aware of that nutshell (WP:TALKO), but instead of wiki-lawyering you better read Wikipedia:Five pillars, that are the most important rules here, especially the point number 4, that says "assume good faith on the part of others. Be open and welcoming to newcomers.".

"but please do consider that my welcome post contained a first warning, and that the editor proceeded with another disruptive edit." : I know that your welcome message contained a warning and i also know what the editor did, since i was one of the two users who reverted them, the other being HistoryofIran, but in my opinion, the editor, who is a newbie, just acted in good faith and included what they thought to be Jabir's nationality in the article, they may have missed the fact that their edit was reverted by me and made another attempt which was reverted by HistoryofIran, this is not vandalsim, rather good faith editing. We're done.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:32, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Copyright problem on Rose water

Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from https://iranicaonline.org/articles/golab, which is not released under a compatible license. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. Content you add to Wikipedia should be written in your own words. Please let me know if you have any questions. — Diannaa (talk) 19:07, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello Diannaa, my bad, i thought i had reworded it. May i add the content back again with my own words ? Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:12, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

There's still a discussion underway on the article talk page so wait until you're sure there's a consensus to include— Diannaa (talk) 19:15, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Diannaa: Please note that i agreed with LouisAragon and the other user (Trople) is a CU confirmed sock : Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#user:Trople.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:20, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

You agreed on a wording that violates copyright. Make a suggestion for a new wording on the talk page, and see if the other user agrees. — Diannaa (talk) 19:39, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hmmm, i see. Is there any threshold about how long/how many successive words can be picked out from a source without copyright problem ?---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:55, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Content has to be completely written in your own words and not include any wording from the source material. Please see the article talk page for an example of how to do it.— Diannaa (talk) 20:21, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks very much. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:37, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021

New Page Review queue September 2021

Hello Wikaviani,

Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of Wikipedia and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.

Copyright violations are also a serious issue. Most non-regular contributors do not understand why, and most of our Reviewers are not experts on copyright law - and can't be expected to be, but there is excellent, easy-to-follow advice on COPYVIO detection here.

At the time of the last newsletter (#25, December 2020) the backlog was only just over 2,000 articles. New Page Review is an official system. It's the only firewall against the inclusion of new, improper pages.

There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.

If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process or its software.

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persian gulf

hi. can you fix it? i explained https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Persian_Gulf#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_27_November_2021 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.158.110.122 (talk) 08:12, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Persian Gulf

Arabic name doesn't match English name and is not suitable as translation. Additionally it carries anti-Iran sentiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Iranian_sentiment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.185.57.87 (talk) 20:23, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP,

i asked an admin about that, let's wait for an answer before any move about that topic.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:57, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank for reply.85.185.56.9 (talk) 21:12, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Regarding death of Muhammad Ghori

Dear editor You have reverted my edit on Mohammad Ghori page wrt how he died. In all modern sources and including today's writers sources it calls Khokhars, Ismailis, Gakhars etc. Except one odd writer, it nowhere mentions Jats. To me it looks like Sita Ram Goel's book comes under WP:FRINGE, modern writers are clear that it were probably Ismailis, Khokhars and Gakhars etc depending upon writers who were responsible for his death. Sita Ram Goel has erred here, in the book it is not written what sources he has referred to come to the conclusion. I think it should come under WP:FRINGE and should be removed to avoid confusion in the minds of readers. RS6784talk RS6784 (talk) 06:25, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi RS6784, i think that the best thing to do is to take that source to WP:RSN in order to see what they say about its reliability. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:00, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

From what little I remember about the insertion of that particular source, I thought I had checked it. Maybe I did not. If RS6784 feels the source is weak/fringe then I have no objections to its removal(including the corresponding information). My thanks to Wikaviani for their keeping an eye on this article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your insight Kansas Bear, i self-reverted. Best regards.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:05, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

It is all good, Wikaviani. Keep up the good work! --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas 2021

Merry Christmas everybody!!!

"And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,

I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version)

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Spread the cheer by adding {{Subst:Xmas4}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

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Thank you very much for your kind wishes, CAPTAIN RAJU. I wish you and yours a merry Christmas too. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:29, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Requesting some article expansion help

Greetings @ Wikaviani

Requesting your visit to article Draft:Aurats (word) relating to historical linguistics.

Sources from other languages indicate that, the usage of the word seem to have been transferred in some Asian languages through Persian language, during spread of early Islamic times, but usage in Iran reduced in later times. I am looking for and requesting support in expanding the article Draft:Aurats (word) with Persian language / Iranian sources, if the topic would interest you.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 03:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bookku

greetings and sorry for my belated response, i'm in a low wiki activity period for the time being.

However, if you need any help with some Persian language sources, i can help you with that, so please post the links of the sources here so that i can take a look at them.

Best regards.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:41, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @ Wikaviani I will keep you posted as any specific need arises further. Happy times and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 15:10, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Anytime. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:44, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Razi

It seems, sooner or later, this editor wants to remove Persian ethnicity from Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi page lede.[7] They have already removed three sources mentioning he was Persian. One those sources is a reliable quality source. Their last edit summary makes it clear that they don't like the quote from source. But from how I see It, the fact that source mentions the ethnicity of other physicians is irrelevant to its inclusion. Other sources mention that he was native of Ray, Iran or hailed from the Persian city of Ray, Iran which are not in contradiction with him being a Persian and actually further supports his ethnicity. They also used "greatness of ethnic group" in their edit summary, thus I'm sure they are going to stand against this source as much as they can. You are an experienced editor, what do you think?Premitive (talk) 12:21, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

High-quality reliable sources that should be used.

Per MOS, ethnicities should not be in the lead of articles. Simply move Persian to the body of the article and cite a reliable source. And do not use Hitti, since he states nationality. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:01, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your messages, i suggest to go by what Kansas Bear says, as it fits with our guidelines. Here is a source that should be ok.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: This misrepresent his ethnicity to those who only read the lead of the article. They might simply assume he was of Arab ethnic group.Premitive (talk) 20:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Maybe, but we editors have to go by what our guidelines say, not what we think would be better. You might want to read MOS:ETHNICITY in order to understand why Al Razi's ethnicity should be left out of the lead. If you have any question, please ask. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:54, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

• "This misrepresent his ethnicity to those who only read the lead of the article. They might simply assume he was of Arab ethnic group."

Having just read the lead of the article, I did not get the impression he was of Arab ethnicity. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:47, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for reply. I still believe some people might get that impression. But if you believe it shouldn't be in the lead then I just accept it.Premitive (talk) 22:35, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: Can we include his nationality in the lead? I think first paragraph of MOS:ETHNICITY allows it. I thought Hitti is mentioning ethnicity but if it's nationality then it should be included. Some other sources Also mention that he was born in Persian city of Rayy, I think that is nationality as well.Premitive (talk) 05:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Are these sources reliable for his ethnicity? they seem reliable and the first one is encyclopedic and is written by George Sarton the second one is written by Arturo Castiglioni and the third one is written by Richard N. Frye.Premitive (talk) 10:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I also found this source written by Anton Sebastianpillai. The source has won a British Medical Association Medical Book Award. I'm not sure about author himself.Premitive (talk) 16:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Frye and Sarton are both reliable (like many others : Bosworth, Corbin, etc ...), you can add them if you want, but as we said above, we should leave his ethnicity out of the lead. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for making your talk page look like this.Premitive (talk) 23:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

No problem.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Would you review my edit. The source that I used was already cited in the article. It is a translation of a work by Razi from Arabic to German. Introduction in the source is written by Julius Ruska who is an orientalist and historian and has other works on Razi as well. In the introduction Julius Ruskaby reasons based on available information from primary sources (time/location/others) for descent of Razi's family. The source can be found in this link and the reasoning is in page 4.Premitive (talk) 16:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, but i was not able to verify the page number of the source and what it says exactly. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:15, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

By the way, de:Julius Ruska has much more info about Julius Ruska's academic background than English Wikipedia. Thanks.Premitive (talk) 17:31, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

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Turkmenistan

hello, I added the second map of Turkmenistan because it was more detailed, the other one looked a little older. Do not worry if there is a problem. Teknoment (talk) 21:45, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, i removed the map beacause there are other maps in the article (infobox + "Geography" section). Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:36, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022

New Page Review queue March 2022

Hello Wikaviani,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently 805 New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All 848 administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

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Please help with arabian lies

please sir remove “sometimes called…” from [[Persian Gulf article beginning . Please

I do another vote maybe we can help PersianGulfWorld (talk) 05:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

must deleted and respect original eternal name PersianGulfWorld (talk) 05:29, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

A request for comments was made a few months ago, the result was to add in the introduction that this gulf is sometimes called Arabian gulf. When several editors disagree, a request for comments is made and if so, then the result is to be accepted by the community. You are free to open a new request for comments about that topic. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:01, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022

New Page Review queue June 2022

Hello Wikaviani,

Backlog status

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000 at the end of May.

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

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New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022

New Page Review queue August 2022

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Backlog status

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators Buidhe and Zippybonzo, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to Dr vulpes who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.

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October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive

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You are reported

There is report at the WP:ANI regarding your recent personal attacks. Best. --Mhhossein ^talk 11:15, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, saw that, thanks for the notification, but it's not what i would call a "personal attack".---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:04, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello Wikaviani,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

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Backlog:

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Thanks very much and likewise my friend.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:04, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello Wikaviani,

New Page Review queue December 2022

Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

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"For the Forever Persian Gulf"

Hello dear Wikaviani! I would like to thank you for responding to my talk topic on Wikipedia's "Persian Gulf" article.

As an answer to your question, I would like to say I didn't have any issues with the Wikipedia article, in fact, my issue is the possibility of it to change due to current warm relations between Arabian governments and the West, adding these current protests in Iran making it another golden time for them to make the changes they want disingenuously as they often did in history, without facing any consequences!
I would like to thank you again for responding to my ticket, best regards.

~A normal teen from Iran, who loves studying history and learning from it 151.242.114.173 (talk) 00:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for posting here. I keep an eye on the article and since the vast majority of sources call that body of water "Persian Gulf" and not "Arabian Gulf", the name will not change anytime soon. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:38, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Meru prasanta

There is a anonymous user 95.115.7.9 who had republished meru prasanta and Pingala can you please go and verify the sources he put in Wikipedia article Pascal triangle Ppppphgtygd (talk) 16:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ppppphgtygd, my apologies for the belated response,

i checked IP's edit and reverted it on the ground that it was unsourced.

All the best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:49, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

CS1 error on Snell's law

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Göktürks move discussion

The move request is about the title changing of Göktürks to its original form Türks. There are people who oppose and who support as their opinion, replying to the section, I would like to have your opinion there on the talk page of Göktürks. The title of the section on its talk page is Requested move 19 April 2023 (Göktürks). --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey KB,

thanks for letting me know about that.

Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:29, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

New Page Patrol – May 2023 Backlog Drive

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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello Wikaviani,

New Page Review queue April to June 2023

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

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Afsharid ≠ Persian

afsharids are not Persians they are Turcoman. Nader Shah himself is Turcoman. It doesn't make sence to call it persian while the leader and founder of the empire is Turkic Suluk Çor Kağan (talk) 02:25, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Iran is not an ethno-state, it is a nation-state.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:41, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

What does Iran have to with this I never said anything about that Suluk Çor Kağan (talk) 00:53, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Iran like France and other countries, is a nation-state, not an ethno-state. Nader shah might have been an ethnic Turcoman, but he was a Persian citizen as well. Napoleon was Corsican, but that doesn't mean that France under his reign was a "Corsican" Empire.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:00, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I never said anything about states or iran what are you talking about my guy, Nader Şah "may" not have been Turcoman. he IS Turcoman, in one of his letters he calls the people Persian peasants. He also ruled the empire with the Töre. Afsharid Empire was a Turcoman empire. The army was all Türkmens and they spoke Turkic language among the military. Persian was considered femine at that time. And therefore it makes no sence to call it "Ottoman - Persian war" for example; it doesnt say "Ottoman - Persian war" in the times of the Safavids. Because the Safavids were not Persian. But when the Safavids vanished and the Afsharids took rule the name becomes "Ottoman - Persian war". Why is the war with Safavids called Ottoman Safavid war but with the Afsharids (which was the exactly complete same empire just different people in power) its called Ottoman Persian? Suluk Çor Kağan (talk) 01:08, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

And how many reliable sources do you have for all the above nonsenses you wrote on my talk ? Listen, "my guy", this is not Azeri or Turkish wikipedia where you can claim that Einstein was a Turk. If you have reliable sources for your claims, go to the article talk page and achieve consensus in order to change the name of the Empire. If you don't have reliable sources, do not waste my time with your POV and do not post messages here again.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:15, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Listen my guy, this is not my point of view. These are straight un deniable facts! Nader Şah is Turcoman. Look up the origin of the name of "Afshar" its an ancient Turkic tribes name. Avşar.

And your use of terminology is wrong, its Azerbaijani not Azeri. Azerbaijan is not an ethno state. Its also not a claim of Nader Şah being Turcoman. Its not nonsense either the page information is pure nonsense! Tell me; why is the wars with the Safavids called Ottoman Safavid wars but when Nader Şah takes rule it becomes Ottoman Persian war? While its the complete same empire? (I am talking about the 1730 - 1735 war) and the ones after that when the Safavids fall in 1739 and Afsharids take rule its still called Ottoman Persian war while the rule has changed. Explain me this if you can. Suluk Çor Kağan (talk) 01:20, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I told you to not post here again, one more irrelevant message like the above ones, and we will meet at ANI. Done with you.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:22, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I dont know what all that stuff means what is ANI? And what is consensus or the other talk page Suluk Çor Kağan (talk) 01:23, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

ANI = Administrator noticeboard. Consensus means ... CONSENSUS, check the meaning of the word in a dictionary and DO NOT POST HERE AGAIN.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:25, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay thans, but can you explain what the administartion thing is and how I go to other talk page to discuss? Suluk Çor Kağan (talk) 01:26, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Reliable sources determine what we call wars/battles/raids, etc. Not some editor's personal opinion.

• "Nadir-Quli- Khan (1688–1747) did not deliver the badly needed help and made a separate peace with the Ottomans, regaining Azerbaijan and ending the Ottoman-Persian War of 1730–1736" --The Peace of Passarowitz, 1718 , Charles W. Ingrao, ‎Nikola Samardžić, ‎Jovan Pesalj, Page 136

• "The Ottoman-Persian Wars of 1578–1590 were the result of Persian border violations and a succession crisis following the death of Shah.." --War and Religion: An Encyclopedia of Faith and Conflict, Jeffrey M. Shaw, ‎Timothy J. Demy, page 629.

• "Sultan Mahmud and Shah Tahmasp II sign the treaty of Ahmed Pasha between Persia and the Ottoman Empire, which ended the 1730–35 war." --Iran: Stuck in Transition, Anoushiravan Ehteshami

• "Another flow of Armenians to Smyrna and the neighboring regions took place in 1730–40, as a result of the Ottoman–Persian wars and then mistreatment by Nadir Shah." --Genocide in the Ottoman Empire: Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks, 1913-1923, George N. Shirinian, 229.

• "Ottoman–Persian war (1578–90) 193, 257, 391" --Agents of Empire: Knights, Corsairs, Jesuits and Spies in the Sixteenth-Century Mediterranean World, Noel Malcolm, page 596

• "Shortly after this a new Ottoman - Persian war erupted." --An Economic and Social History of the Ottoman Empire, 1300-1914, Halil İnalcık, ‎Donald Quataert, page 248

• "Ottoman - Persian war, 411" --The New Cambridge Modern History: Volume 1, G.R. Potter, page 470.

• "Ottoman–Persian war 276" --Useful Enemies: Islam and The Ottoman Empire in Western Political Thought, 1450-1750, Noel Malcolm, 480

• "Ottoman-Persian War of 1743–47 disrupted this trade." --The Familiarity of Strangers: The Sephardic Diaspora, Livorno, and Cross-Cultural Trade in the Early Modern Period, Francesca Trivellato, page 114.

• "renewed Ottoman- Persian war 1624-25 --The Cambridge Illustrated Atlas of Warfare, Jeremy Black, page 171 --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:56, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

? Suluk Çor Kağan (talk) 01:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Its not my personel opinion as I told you and explained you before. And I asked you to tell me why the Ottoman Safavid war randomly got its name changed to Ottoman Persian war. Yet you did not answer and choose to ignore my statements. Suluk Çor Kağan (talk) 01:59, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Atatürk Talk

Thank you for the 3RR nom. I was trying to figure out what the "post on user's talk" meant for an IP when I saw you'd completed the same nomination. Nothing else, just a 'thanks and good day'. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 01:38, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. Many thanks to you for you intervention. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:41, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Possible BLP violation

Hi. How do you do? Would you please verify [8] and [9]? --Mann Mann (talk) 04:22, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran and LouisAragon: You might be interested. --Mann Mann (talk) 05:33, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

@Mann Mann: Hi, thanks for notifying me. I'll take a look at it later. It is probably the result of this Reddit thread [10]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:41, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Seems she is not Kurdish[11] and she identifies herself as Persian/Iranian on her instagram.[12] The Kurdish background is just based on the city where she was born. 99.99% BLP violation in my book. Plus there is zero mention of "Kurd/Kurdish" in citations 1, 2, 3 (current revision). --Mann Mann (talk) 17:37, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

That's because the two cited sources for that were removed [13] [14]. Though I fail to see how two random newsites/blogs are reliable. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:59, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Those removed citations are not reliable sources for BLP. Anyway, I just wanted to notify you guys since you are active on Iranian topics. Moghbeli is not my concern. I read some news about her and visited her WP article and ... I think you better take this to the article talk page. Regards. --Mann Mann (talk) 18:13, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi to both of you, sorry for the late response, i was not any close to a computer all day long. I'm doing well, thank you, good to hear from you Mann Mann. The "sources" used to justify her supposed Kurdish background sound not reliable, I agree with HistoryofIran's last edit. Best regards.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:19, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: That BNN link is an unreliable source too. It does not have any references to support its claims. Its author is not an expert in the biography field (he has educational background in English language and literature). Where did he get this "Kurdish parents from Mahabad" info from?! Subpar journalism and a mix of facts and myths. A basic search shows that Moghbeli herself has never identified herself or her family as Kurd/Kurdish. I notified WP:WPBIO about it: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography#Possible BLP violation on Jasmin Moghbeli. And this user added her name to [15][16][17] just after this. That article has become a mess since 24 August. It is really ridiculous. I'm done. Just wanted to share my last comment about this case. --Mann Mann (talk) 06:49, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Khusrow references. Please be constructive

Hi

I Removed unsourced material. Please add a reference if you want to keep the information in question 86.5.202.27 (talk) 02:36, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

No problem, his ethnic background is quite well-sourced, i'll add refs. Just to let you know about the correct process of editing here, when you are reverted, you shall not revert back but take your concerns to the talk, as per WP:BRD, instead.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:43, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

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Recent articles about Ottoman/Safavid battles

@Kansas Bear:@HistoryofIran:@LouisAragon: Hi to all of you guys, hope you are all doing well. I'm pinging you here instead of at the relevant talk pages in order to avoid numerous pings. I recently found some Turco-Persian battles added recently, namely Campaign of Trabzon (1505), Battle of Erzincan (1507), Campaign of Trabzon (1510), Campaign of Trabzon (1510), Capture of Bayburt (1514), Siege of Kemah, Battle of Tekiryaylağı, Siege of Harput (1516), Battle of Koçhisar and Capture of Mosul (1517). All these articles are characterized by two things: almost exclusively Turkish sources and hardly any page numbers for the sources cited. I know they passed the submission process, but honestly, I'm wondering how they did so and if deletion proposals should be made for at least some of them (which ones ?). Thoughts ? ---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:24, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Wikaviani, thanks for notifying me about this. Looks it was created by the same group of new users who only create articles with Turkic "victories" and poor (often unverifiable) citations. I will take a look at them later. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:29, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Yeah, exactly, all these articles were created by two (relatively) new editors, Kabz15 and KaradumanMareşal.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:50, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

About khoresht

You mentioned that it might not be productive, while the edit you returned was not productive, the information was very irrelevant, it was a Persian name.For example, tell us why we should include the Albanian name of a food, which, like many other languages, is derived from the English name next to its English name on its information page?! 5.74.120.85 (talk) 22:29, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

There...is no mention of the Albanian name on Khoresh? —asparagusus (interaction) ^sprouts! 22:33, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Please take this thread to the article's talk page. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:20, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Clarification request

Hello!
I don't know if Kansas Bear is moderator, or editor in Wikipedia; after my edit on Omar Khayyam's article, he changed the title of one of the sources I had added to what he thought was correct, based on Google Scholar, and on my talk page accused me of "So you want to ignore what is stated for the article title, because the dust jacket says what you want?" I went to his talk page and provided him with the eBook title page (Figure 1), but again, he ignored it, relying on virtual sources—cited below under Kansas Bear; I replied again, with the same "Tone," and virtual sources stating what I wrote—cited below under Fari Dark, to prove a point that they are not reliable and, he deleted our conversation, telling me to "troll somewhere else." Can you spare a moment to review the source and ensure its correctness?
Thank you for your time!
Kansas Bear

• World Cat
• Google Scholar
• Bloomsbury Publishing

Fari Dark

• WorldCat, with OCLC number.
• Library of Congress, with LCCN number.
• Bloomsbury Collections, with a table of contents.

Fari Dark (talk) 11:38, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

As far as i can see, Kansas Bear never said that that source is unreliable (they even linked it to the article), they just asked you to stop changing the name of Omar to Umar, which sounds perfectly legit to me. The common name of this scholar is Omar Khayyam.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I never said Kansas Bear stated the "source," is unreliable. The argument is about the title of the source "An Anthology of Philosophy in Persia. Volume 1: From Zoroaster to ʿUmar Khayyām," and not "Omar Khayyam." Thank you. Fari Dark (talk) 14:29, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, we cannot change the common name of that scholar just because that book cover calls him Umar instead of Omar. On Wikipedia, we go by what the mainstream of published reliable sources say. Please drop it and move forward. Thanks.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:00, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Pingala

some user had recently added the image of Pascal triangle in pingala article and a statement can you verify it whether it is right or wrong. Myuoh kaka roi (talk) 09:12, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I removed the unsourced content from the article. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:40, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

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WP:PLAGIARISM problem on Abu Bakr al-Razi

Hello Wikaviani!

This edit violates Wikipedia:Plagiarism (see the "No in-text attribution, no quotation marks, text closely paraphrased, inline citation only" part).

When literally copying from a source (which is often to be preferred over close paraphrasing), an inline citation is not enough: at the very least the text needs to be put between quotation marks (" "), but usually in-text attribution ("Peter Adamson writes that") is also a good idea (note that all the green-lighted examples in WP:PLAGFORMS have either in-text attribution or refer to text summarized in an editor's own words). With closely paraphrasing (which is what happened here) on the other hand, quotation marks are inappropriate but in-text attribution is absolutely required (cf. Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing).

Please either add in-text attribution or summarize the content in your own words. Since in-text attribution may create a false impression that the content is considered to be biased or to be an opinion rather than a fact (cf. WP:YESPOV & WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV) it's probably best to restate the content entirely in your own words.

Thanks for taking this into consideration, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 11:15, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Apaugasma,

thanks for the reminder, however, i think that WP:PLAGIARISM does not apply here, since the sentence i added was short, simple and even slightly changed. Anyway, i rewrote it.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that! Whether something is too close paraphrasing or not may of course be a matter of debate, but I think that in this case most editors would agree that it was far too close.

In going from "his philosophical ideas mostly have to be pieced together on the basis of reports found in other authors, who are often hostile to him" to "his philosophical ideas have to be pieced together on the basis of reports from other authors, who are often hostile to him", you left out the word "mostly" and replaced "found in" with "from".

As Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing puts it: "almost all of the original word choice, word order and sentence structure is retained", and (with regard to an example given there, but it's very similar here) "the structure of Wikipedia's statement is essentially the same as the original. Changing a single word and slightly reordering one phrase is not enough to constitute a paraphrase".

Basically, the idea of 'slightly changing' the content from the source will almost guarantee too close paraphrasis: it really needs to be entirely your own words. One way to make sure you're doing that is too read more of the original source (e.g. in this case, Adamson's entire article), and then to summarize yourself what you have read, recalling from memory the most important points (you can then check again for accuracy, but writing from memory is an excellent way to make sure it's your own words). Please have a read of the Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing essay, and if you still disagree, please consider asking some in-house experts (such as Diannaa or Moneytrees, no pings) what they think about it.

In the mean time, I wish you a happy holiday season! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 13:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks and likewise.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

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Sockpuppet Investigation?

Hello. I have frequently edited the Azerbaijani cuisine article and I noticed you make edits there also. I wanted to ask for your opinion and possibly a request as an experienced Wikipedia editor. I believe this unnamed user displays very suspicious behavior that makes me believe it might be yet another sockpuppet of User:Əzərbəyəniləri.

Specifically what I find suspicious is that the new, unnamed user began editing on the same Azerbaijani cuisine page immediately after the previous sock with username OnlyCreatesNewWikiPages was banned. Furthermore, both the sock and the new unnamed user focus almost exclusively on Azerbaijani cuisine.

Also, the edit descriptions are quite similar, specifically the continuous reference to removal of "peacock terms" that both the sock and the unnamed user share. Also the heavy focus on "unsourced" content, "etymology" in the edit descriptions is also what the sock and the new unnamed user share.

In light of the above, I was wondering if you could maybe open a sockpuppet investigation? I have forgotten how to do it, I would be thankful for your assistance or even advice. - Creffel (talk) 19:37, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Hey Creffel, actually those are good points, i think there is enough material for a SPI. If you don't mind, I will handle this as soon as possible, as it's quite late here. If you prefer to do it yourself, here is the link that will allow you to do so. However, since the user is an IP, you must know that admins often decline SPI cases that contain only IP, but maybe it's worth to give it a shot. I can ping some other experienced editors to have their input. Kansas Bear, HistoryofIran gentlemen, thoughts ? Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:46, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

@Creffel: IP has not edited Wikipedia since January 26, thus i think that a SPI report would be irrelevant, for now. However, i'll try to keep an eye on it. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:45, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Greetings. No worries, I used the link you shared and figured out how to file the SPI. There were three unnamed sockpuppet suspects I found actually, one of them got banned, and for the time being the Azerbaijani cuisine article got EC protection, rather than endlessly chasing IP users. Regardless, thank you for your consideration. - Creffel (talk) 22:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, keep up the good work. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Cosmetic edits

Please reconsider making so many cosmetic edits that make no difference to the article. So far, you've made 18 consecutive edits to Omelette, none of which are necessary or useful. You've done this on several other articles as well. Please read WP:COSMETICBOT, and note where it says: While this policy applies only to bots, human editors should also follow this guidance if making such changes in a bot-like manner. Thanks. Schazjmd (talk) 22:52, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Schazjmd: Please sign your comments with using the four tilde, that will make easier the response. Secondly, I don't think that Wikilawyering is a very constructive behavior, extra spacing are unnecessary and I don't make my edits in a bot manner, I take the time to find the specific spaces that are irrelevant, however, I will try to make several spacing fixes in one edit. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:43, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Ciambella; Wikipedia Commons

Hi, I'm looking for an image of an Italian ciambella to add to the ciambella page, but I only find the American ones, how can I do? JacktheBrown (talk) 17:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I'm not very familiar with how Wiki commons works, but have you checked all the pictures at Wikipedia commons ?---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) What are the differences between American and Italian ciambella? --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: this article is in Italian, but you can translate it with machine translators, just understand more or less the meaning. https://www.dolcidee.it/magazine/curiosita/qual-e-la-differenza-tra-donuts-le-ciambelle. JacktheBrown (talk) 03:08, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't speak Italian, unfortunately, but with the help of Google translate, I understand that there are some differences between these two sweets, however, if Wikipedia commons does not have pictures of the Italian variant, I don't know what you can do to solve this issue, maybe finding some copyright free pictures of the Italian variant on the web ? Sorry than I cannot help you more for this.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Taiwan's Political status

Have a look. Political status of Taiwan 80.4.77.150 (talk) 18:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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Zoroastrianism

@Wikaviani some users insist on replacing "Monotheism" with "Dualism" in the lead on Zoroastrianism page. they want to create an edit war. can you help on reaching a consensus there? Researcher1988 (talk) 13:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for letting me know about that, will take a look at it. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

thank you. Researcher1988 (talk) 22:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wikaviani

I think this subject has turned into a matter of Personal disputes rather than an Academic debate. again, without seeking consensus or without presenting any valuable source, they edited the page to their own satisfaction. Researcher1988 (talk) 01:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Of course, they want an edit-war, we really ahve better things to do. Just keep it civil and you will be fine. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 19:07, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I think its the opposite. Researcher1988 (talk) 01:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wikaviani

hello. I created a summary of Zoroastrian studies and published it on the talk page. can you give your opinion on it? Researcher1988 (talk) 08:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Help

@Wikaviani despite all the positive and constructive edits that I have made to the Zoroastrianism page, some editors have reported me to Admins. can you help me there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Multiple_issues_with_Researcher1988_at_Zoroastrianism Researcher1988 (talk) 13:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wikaviani

Thank you for your support. Researcher1988 (talk) 17:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

New page patrol May 2024 Backlog drive

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Zoroastrianism

@Wikaviani Zoroastrianism page has been infiltrated by Users who hate the religion and are damaging it totally. can't you do anything to protect the page and save it from those editors? Researcher1988 (talk) 10:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Please assume good faith and stop making personal attacks against other editors. Skyerise (talk) 10:58, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Indian mathematics

In the section of Pingala of the article Indian mathematics it talks about the binomial coefficient and Pascal triangle.Can you verify whether it is reliable or not. Myuoh kaka roi (talk) 19:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey, thank you for your message, I checked it and removed the content since it was sourced by 2 weak sources, one of them is a historian of Greek mathematics, the other is a 90 years old source, none of them can challenge the sources cited in the main articles in my humble opinion. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

History of Mathematics

There are a

major problem in theHistory of mathematics article For example in the Indian section of the article it is given as

In the 12th century, Bhāskara II, who lived in southern India, wrote extensively on all then known branches of mathematics. His work contains mathematical objects equivalent or approximately equivalent to infinitesimals, derivatives, the mean value theorem and the derivative of the sine function. To what extent he anticipated the invention of calculus is a controversial subject among historians of mathematics.

The reference provided doesn't really talk anything regarding calculus nor derivate. Myuoh kaka roi (talk) 03:08, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

There are several refs provided, unfortunately, I don't have access to any of them. If you can read the sources and if they don't support the claims about Bhaskara II, then feel free to tag the sentence accordingly.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

medieval india

In the section of Medieval knowledge of the article History of botany.The subsection of the medieval india talks about the statement like

In India, simple artificial plant classification systems of the Rigveda, Atharvaveda and Taittiriya Samhita became more botanical with the work of Parashara (c. 400 – c. 500 AD), the author of Vṛksayurveda (the science of life of trees). He made close observations of cells and leaves and divided plants into Dvimatrka (Dicotyledons) and Ekamatrka (Monocotyledons). The dicotyledons were further classified into groupings (ganas) akin to modern floral families: Samiganiya (Fabaceae), Puplikagalniya (Rutaceae), Svastikaganiya (Cruciferae), Tripuspaganiya (Cucurbitaceae), Mallikaganiya (Apocynaceae), and Kurcapuspaganiya (Asteraceae)

Can you check whether the reference is reliable or not.One of the reference which is mentioned talks some outlandish claim that ancient India knew about xylem or phloem or have a knowledge about cell wall. Myuoh kaka roi (talk) 19:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, the source itself sounds quite legit but unfortunately, I don't have access to the relevant page of it.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree but as far from my knowledge the concept of classification of dicotyledons into different families is a relatively a modern concept and apart from this one reference given in the page

http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/t_es/t_es_tiwar_botany_frameset.htm

http://www.infinityfoundation.com/mandala/t_es/t_es_tiwar_botany_frameset.h

I can't find any other peer review sources or any other alternative sources which talks about it Myuoh kaka roi (talk) 15:20, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, then I think the content should be tagged. I can do that, or you can do that yourself, just let me know. ---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

you can do it since I am a bit busy now. Myuoh kaka roi (talk) 10:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I have found the original text of Vṛksayurveda (the science of life of trees) and it talks nothing about the classification of dicotyledons into different families.

https://archive.org/details/vrikshaayurvedainancientindialallanjigopal_461_w/page/118/mode/1up Myuoh kaka roi (talk) 09:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I tagged it.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Snell's law article

An ip user who has created an account by the username Casteiswrong is making disruptive edits on Snell's law article. Please have a look because I am busy these days. Hu741f4 (talk) 11:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your message, indeed, I reverted the disruptive edits, it will be time for filing a report if that editor keeps going on the path of edit-warring and sourced content removal. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Not afraid of being wrong

On your personal page, it is written that you are - apparently - "not afraid of being wrong". That is a very nice attitude, not inappropriate right now. However, to accuse me in the process of that, of "evading my block", even though I'm not in anyway related to the user you are referring to, is not a very nice attitude.

I have also noticed the discussion above with user Hu74, who has a very big mouth about going to the talk page, but when he is at the talk page refuses to engage in a discussion. And on top of that is also accusing me of what you are falsely accusing me of. What the hell is going on here? What is this weird suspicious behaviour, that goes against a few of the most important principles of this project? GoneWithThePuffery (talk) 16:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

We'll see if I'm wrong or not, but in the meantime, could you elaborate ? why do you edit Wikipedia when you're logged out while you have an account ?---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Are you completely stupid or what? Complaining about my reaction being "not civil", when you are accusing me (with no evidence at all) of "evading a block". Why don't you piss off. GoneWithThePuffery (talk) 17:01, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, I apology for the incorrect accusation, everybody can be wrong, but firstly, my warning was about this edit of yours, and secondly, the above comment was really unnecessary and shows that you are not here to build an encyclopedia. Do not post here again.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Trajan's Parthian campaign

Due to an IP's tampering with the result in the infobox, I started checking some of the sources. I can't find anything concerning:

• Clifford Ando, 2008, Rome: The Rise and Fall of an Empire: The Dacian Wars

I'm hoping you can find evidence of this book.

Thanks! --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:57, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello Kansas Bear,

firstly, thank you for posting here, your message is the first friendly message on this talk page in a while. Sorry for my belated response, I needed a little Wiki break after what happened few days ago. I tried to find some informations about that source, without any success (all I found were some dodgy video clips). Then I looked to find the user who added that source and found that it was first added by Koopinator. Maybe the best thing to do is to ask them about that source. Sorry that I cannot help you. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:22, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

You are most welcome. I completely understand about needing a break now and then. I usually take the Camaro out on a drive out of Lawrence(and I thought Wichita drivers were bad!).

Your lack of results leads me to believe "Koopinator" may have miscited Ando's book. Thank you for looking into this for me! Stay safe! --Kansas Bear (talk) 12:40, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Ha ha, I get you ! As far as the source is concerned, I also think that if both of us failed to find any reliable information about it, then it's quite legit to think that Koopinator may have been mistaken. Take care.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Yajnavalkya's theory of heliocentrism

The article Yajnavalkya's theory of heliocentrism has a lot of misleading information and unreliable sources.First the two references which talks about heliocentrism isn't even a scientific journal nor a peer reviewed source and secondly it talks about gravitational force between sun and earth where they provided class 11th text book as a reference. Myuoh kaka roi (talk) 12:07, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey Myuoh kaka roi, thank you for posting here. Sorry for my late response, I am taking a wiki break, I will check that article soon. Best regards.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:22, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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About recent edit on Sherbet (frozen dessert)

I noticed you reverted my edit on the article Sherbet (frozen dessert). I changed the author's last name to "Gallary" which is spelled differently from "gallery". You can check the cited article yourself to verify this. Please revert your edit. If you disagree, please explain why. 66.215.184.32 (talk) 06:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

IP, true, my apologies for reverting your edit, I self-reverted. Happy editing.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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