Talk:Centre Block
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Ownership
editSkeezix, you recently changed the link in the ownership section of the infobox from Queen in Right of Canada to Government of Canada. I've put it back to the original version as the reason I linked the way I did was to avoid confusion over the term "government of Canada". As the article Government of Canada rightly states, "the word government is used to refer both to the whole set of institutions that govern the country, as well as the current political leadership." As the buildings on Parliament Hill are owned neither by a set of institutions, nor any political leadership, and do sit on what is known commonly as Crown land, it seemed most clear and accurate to state the owner of the parliament buildings is the federal Crown - a singularly definable entity. Perhaps there needs to be better explanation somewhere about what the term "Crown in Right of Canada" means, but changing terms to those that are more loosely defined and not really accurate doesn't seem to be the best answer. Do you agree? --Miesianiacal (talk) 17:37, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- Just wanted to add to this. First off, Miesianiacal is quite right. The Queen in Right of Canada is the rightful owner of the Centre Block, not the "Government of Canada" (I assume, by saying that, your referring to the current political leadership?). Anyhow, even if you are referring to the current political leadership, the correct term would be Her Majesty's Government in Canada, as opposed to the loosely defined "Government of Canada". Legally, Parliament Hill is Crown land and the buildings on it are owned by the Crown of Canada (or the Crown in Right of Canada). --Knowzilla 15:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for your input. If you don't object, I'm going to move your comment to where the discussion on this matter is taking place: Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#I don't want to insult the Queen, but .... Cheers. --Miesianiacal (talk) 20:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
- While I agree that the correct "owner" is the Crown, I think it is inaccurate to describe the "client" as the "crown." It would be more accurate to describe the "client" as the Parliament of Canada.PoliSciMaster (talk) 06:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for your input. If you don't object, I'm going to move your comment to where the discussion on this matter is taking place: Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board#I don't want to insult the Queen, but .... Cheers. --Miesianiacal (talk) 20:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Change Picture: Hall of Honour
editI propose the following picture in order to illustrate the Hall of Honour in Centre Block:
- Done. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 16:42, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Centre Block - Parliament Hill.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on July 1, 2014. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2014-07-01. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:19, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Addition of new image
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User:Miesianiacal has twice deleted this image from the article.
The caption added to the photo read "an RCMP officer poses with a tourist, 1949".
The photo was taken by well-known Canadian photographer Chris Lund, and is contained within the collection of the Library and Archives Canada.
User:Miesianiacal's edit summary stated "serves no illustrative purpose not already served by more recent photos without the distraction of people in them".
However, Wikipedia's Image Use Policy states that "the purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting people, things, activities, and concepts described in the article."
Of the 17 images currently on this article about one of Canada's Parliament Buildings, not one image shows any people. How on earth can an article depicting a legislative building not show any people?
User:Miesianiacal has made 128 edits to this excellent article, and is this article's top editor, so this editor's pride is understandable. However, having at least one image showing a person enjoying the West Block will certainly enhance the article.
I welcome the input of other editors about including this photo. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:36, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
- When WP:IUP mentions images depicting people, it means images used to depict specific people who are the subject of or are mentioned in, or are in some other way connected to the text of, the articles in which the images are used. It does not mean random people in front of the subject of the article.
- Whomever took this photo and whatever value it does have (and whatever attachment you personally have to it as the uploader), it is not a as good an illustration of the Centre Block as any other image being used already and would be better suited somewhere else. Perhaps Tourism in Ontario, Tourism in Canada, or Royal Canadian Mounted Police? --₪ MIESIANIACAL 03:11, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- I'm beginning to smell that foul odor of ownership here. Please don't spin your personal interpretation of policy in the hope you can bluff the community into agreeing with you. Contrary to your sterilized impression of this building as reflected in your approach to editing this article; this building is in fact all about people. This wonderfully well written article tells how "the Centre Block houses offices and facilities, including the prime minister's office, that of the leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, and the offices of other party leaders, as well as senators, ministers, and commons staff. Further, there are numerous parliamentary committee rooms and the Parliamentary Press Gallery." The building is "the route of the parades for both speakers of parliament, as well as where the lying in state segment of some state funerals takes place." It also houses "seats for 320 members of parliament and 580 persons in the upper gallery that runs around the second level of the room". Finally, "Prince Albert Edward, Prince of Wales (later King Edward VII) arrived in Ottawa...and laid the cornerstone of the growing Centre Block, with a luncheon on the grounds for the workers and their families". These are all people, and this building is about people. I'm not sure why the thought of depicting living beings in this article is so awkward for you, but please stop twisting the rules in the hope no one will catch you. You are an experienced editor, accept the fact that your article is lacking and embrace change and improvement. Perhaps an RfC is in order to gain wider input. Magnolia677 (talk) 03:52, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Don't bluff, says the individual choking their own argument with red herrings. You've made comments about me, but haven't once explained how the image is a better illustration of the Centre Block than any other in use.
- 3O is your first step in dispute resolution, if you can't wait. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 04:54, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- I have added this section to the article describing how Centre Block accommodates 355,000 visitors per year. An image showing a tourist in front of Centre Block (as well as inside) certainly supports Wikipedia's Image Use Policy which states that "the purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting people, things, activities, and concepts described in the article." Magnolia677 (talk) 12:12, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Well, thanks. And sure. But, now there's the issue of there being no space. --₪ MIESIANIACAL 23:39, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
- I have added this section to the article describing how Centre Block accommodates 355,000 visitors per year. An image showing a tourist in front of Centre Block (as well as inside) certainly supports Wikipedia's Image Use Policy which states that "the purpose of an image is to increase readers' understanding of the article's subject matter, usually by directly depicting people, things, activities, and concepts described in the article." Magnolia677 (talk) 12:12, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- I'm beginning to smell that foul odor of ownership here. Please don't spin your personal interpretation of policy in the hope you can bluff the community into agreeing with you. Contrary to your sterilized impression of this building as reflected in your approach to editing this article; this building is in fact all about people. This wonderfully well written article tells how "the Centre Block houses offices and facilities, including the prime minister's office, that of the leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, and the offices of other party leaders, as well as senators, ministers, and commons staff. Further, there are numerous parliamentary committee rooms and the Parliamentary Press Gallery." The building is "the route of the parades for both speakers of parliament, as well as where the lying in state segment of some state funerals takes place." It also houses "seats for 320 members of parliament and 580 persons in the upper gallery that runs around the second level of the room". Finally, "Prince Albert Edward, Prince of Wales (later King Edward VII) arrived in Ottawa...and laid the cornerstone of the growing Centre Block, with a luncheon on the grounds for the workers and their families". These are all people, and this building is about people. I'm not sure why the thought of depicting living beings in this article is so awkward for you, but please stop twisting the rules in the hope no one will catch you. You are an experienced editor, accept the fact that your article is lacking and embrace change and improvement. Perhaps an RfC is in order to gain wider input. Magnolia677 (talk) 03:52, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
The nation's capital building and the lawn in front it serves peaceful protests, mass yoga sessions and numerous parties. For the love off the politeness in Canada please take the drama down a notch. There is something rather iconic of the shot but I won't cry if it doesn't make it into the article. Saffron Blaze (talk) 03:38, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
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Closure and renovation works
editAs per these articles from the Canadian site, it should be added and noted that the center block and the parliament has been moved for at least 10 years out of the center block. I don't know what to edit. I also suppose that the page for the other building should be modified.
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