Talk:Cheltenham

Pronunciation

It's [tʃɛlt.ən.əm]: three syllables, not two. Even that would probably be considered a slack/casual pronunciation; I've heard [tʃɛlt.ən.həm] and even [tʃɛlt.ən.hæm]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.53.241 (talk) 14:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

No, definitely two syllables. At most.

--MartinChelt (talk) 13:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Three syllables is the correct pronunciation as dictated by the rules of language language. There are three clearly defined syllables and this is the correct prounounciation.

Maj.Barton — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maj.Barton (talk • contribs) 16:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Two syllables. I've heard it called all sorts of things - mostly by people that don't live anywhere near it - but it is "CHELT-num", for want of a better way of putting it. Not "CHELT-en-um", or "CHELT-en-ham", or "chelt-en-HAM", just easy ol' "CHELTnum". Greg1138 (talk) 04:55, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Most definitely CHELT-num. The Saxon name for the village was something like Ciltahamm or Celtahamm. The Cilta referring to a hill or cliff (Cotswold scarp) and Hamm meaning well-watered valley. By 1086, Domesday called the village Chinteneha. It is likely that the river that served the population got its name from the village - not the other way round.

Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.255.246 (talk) 14:01, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately "it is likely" does not cut it in an encyclopaedia. Your assertion, however logical it may seem to you and to others, that the river is named after the place would have to be verified by reliable sources. --Bob Re-born (talk) 16:12, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Back on the pronunciation question..... I lived the first 18 years of my life in Cheltenham and wouldn't dream of pronouncing it using anything less than three syllables. Could I dare to suggest that the two syllables/three syllables may be a simply difference between a Gloucestershire accent and RP? nancy 19:53, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

No ;) Greg1138 (talk) 06:50, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

In support of 212.139.255.246 above, to say that the particular assertion "does not cut it" smacks a little of bureaucracy (see Wikipedia's own rules). When it comes to Saxon and pre-Saxon history, Wikipedia itself is full of articles that use the phrase "it is thought"; "likely"; "unlikely"; "probably" etc, indeed, so is Britannica. It is a phrase used out of necessity to indicate that here is a "more than likely" piece of information that the reader may like to consider. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.156.186 (talk) 09:30, 30 March 2012 (UTC) And of course, everytime you see "citation needed" it is just supposition/conjecture - shame on you Bob — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.90.202 (talk) 14:10, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Council control

The control of Cheltenham Borough Council is given as NOC, but it's actually a majority Lib Dem administration now. Since the elections in May 2010, the composition has been LD 25, Con 12, People Against Bureaucracy (PAB) 3. The leader is Cllr. Steve Jordan. I'm not technically adept enough to edit this as it isn't simple text so I'll leave that to someone more competent!

See https://democracy.cheltenham.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.aspx?FN=PARTY&VW=LIST&PIC=0

--MartinChelt (talk) 13:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

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Lewis Carroll and Charlton Kings

I found the page states Carroll/Dodgson was inspired to write his Alice stories by a mirror at a house in Charlton Kings. However, what is in shorthand known as Alice In Wonderland and Through The Looking Glass were two stories, each first published six years apart (1865 and 1871). This makes the possibility of both stories being inspired at the same time highly doubtful.Cloptonson (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi mate - totally agree with you. I've replaced the section in question with the relevant info from the Charlton Kings article, along with its cited source. It now specifies 'Through The Looking Glass' and is worded more appropriately. 77.99.12.140 (talk) 05:31, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

No info about the bus station?

Nothing under #Transport? Cheltenham bus station is red link. Ditto Royal Well bus station. Work needed! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.11.54 (talk) 18:05, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

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Railway stations

For interest, the station now called Cheltenham Spa was originally Landsdown Road, on the main line from Gloucester to Birmingham. There was a station in the town centre, Cheltenham St James, which was the terminus. I remember in the late fifties going by steam-hauled train from Paddingon to St James; the train had to reverse at Gloucester. I apologise for my ramblings, but, as I said, it may be of interest.

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Split proposal

I believe the article should be split as the borough has notable settlements and they are civil parishes. These include:

Charlton Kings, Leckhampton with Warden Hill, Prestbury and Swindon Village.

I think these are quite distinctive settlements and also constitute enough for a split for the wider Borough similar to Borough of Chesterfield and Borough of Warrington for example. They contain civil parishes and so does Cheltenham although it is unparished. I believe it's easier to distinguish the two by moving the borough to one article and keeping the main town itself separate.

Thoughts?

@Crouch, Swale @JMF @ADHope @Rupples @Chocolateediter& @KeithD DragonofBatley (talk) 20:06, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

• Weak support the boundaries are quite similar but did change in 1974 and again later but I'd go from 1974 like Slough as it seems like it was a legal continuation. This would also allow Category:Unparished areas in Gloucestershire to be restored. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:10, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on the basis that mapping shows one urban area, no significant detached villages and not a great deal of difference between the built-up area and the borough boundary. Hence, not immediately seeing any value in separating into two articles. Rupples (talk) 20:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, same logic as given by Rupples. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for exactly the same reasons that the split of Worcester, England was reversed. The so-called "unparished area of Cheltenham" is NOT a valid definition of "Cheltenham proper" or the "settlement of Cheltenham". Mertbiol (talk) 12:00, 10 December 2023 (UTC)