Talk:Chetana Nagavajara

Book names awaits correction

• Basic theory of Literature (1977)
• Study of Criticize: International Poetry (2003)
• The Path to the Culture of Criticism (1981)
• The Endless Path of the Culture of Criticism: Collected Critiques (1987)
• I enrolled because of Love: Collected Critiques on Thai and Western Music (1997)
• The Arts of Illuminating: Collected Academic Articles (2003)
• The Moderate Way of Criticism (2012)
• The Outcome of Research come with Criticism (2020)
• For survival of the humanities (1989)
• Old school VS New school: Thai Humanities in Correlation to Change (2005)
• From (Selfless) Giving to Commodification: The Dilemma of Higher Education (2013)
• The Standpoint of Humanities (2015)
• Conversations with Prof. Chettana Nagavajara on Leadership (2015)
• Cultural Consciousness: the Foundation of Thai Higher Education (2016)

These are not the official translation of the book's names from Thai. Under process of correction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eevnnap (talk • contribs) 14:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 12:53, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that Chetana Nagavajara is the first person to receive two doctorates, one Dr.Phil. and one Dr.h.c., from the University of Tübingen? Source: "... เพราะมหาวิทยาลับทือบิงเงินเอง แม้ไม่มีกฎข้อห้ามแต่ก็ไม่มีระเบียบกฎเกณฑ์ว่าด้วยเรื่องมอบปริญญาซ้ำ การมอบปริญญาดุษฎีบัณฑิตกิตติมศักดิ์แก่เจตนา นาควัชระผู้เป็นดุษฎีบัณฑิตของมหาวิทยาลัยแห่งนี้อยู่แล้ว ... จึงนับเป็นกรณีแรก" ([1])

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kaʻelepulu Pond

5x expanded by Taweetham (talk). Nominated by Karto1 (talk) at 07:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC).

• Date, size, notability, QPQ, copyvio spotcheck, all good. But I find the hook very boring - it's the type of trivia nobody cares about. The article suffers from some peacock wording (the lead has an uncited claim that "he is renowned in Thailand"). How about we reference what he is "renowned" for and build a hook centered on this? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:30, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you very much for the review. With the mentioned issue, I propose another hook which centers more around Dr. Chetana's work.
• ALT1: ... that Chetana Nagavajara initiated and led arts criticism research projects in Thailand in the early 2000s? Source: Nagavajara, Chetana (2003). Criticism as an Intellectual Force in Contemporary Society: Summary Report of a Research Project. Thailand Research Fund. ISBN 9749165004. --Karto1 (talk) 11:06, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
• ALT2: ... that Chetana Nagavajara's work is an impartial literacy mediator between France and Germany? Source: Hans-Joachim Lope (1968). "August Wilhelm Schlegel in Frankreich. Sein Anteil an der französischen Literaturkritik 1807–1835. (Forschungsprobleme der vergleichenden Literaturgeschichte Nr. 3) by Chetana Nagavajara, Kurt Wais". Romanische Forschungen. 80. Bd., H. 1: 184–186. -10:22, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

• Approved with preference for ALT1 as this clarifies which country he is primarily associated with. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:52, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Conventions for the article

I am working on a uniform set of standards to be used throughout in this article. These are options that are not dictated by the Manual of Style. Please feel free to add to the list below. --Taweetham (talk) 02:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

• Date format: D-M-Y
• English: American
• Display of Thai language and Transcription system: {{lang-th}} {{RTGS}}
• The subject matter will be referred to by family name "Nagavajara" in the article as he is a scholar of western literature. (As opposed to first name which can be used in some articles of Thai people, especially in the areas of Thai studies.)
• Name format in references: "Firstname Lastname" rather than "Lastname, Firstname"
• Citations to the Royal Thai Government Gazette: {{cite journal}} (rather than {{cite newspaper}})
• ISBN: the number will be shown without - using {{isbn}} from {{cite book}}

Inconsistencies in references

Inconsistencies are listed here with explanation. All are welcome to add further points as they became known. -Taweetham (talk) 06:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

• Bachelor degree: The correct one is Modern languages.
  • The CMU ref mentioned that he has B.A. in comparative literature. https://library.cmu.ac.th/pinmala/doctor_detail.php?id=56&ayear=2549-2550 -
  • The CDES Newsletter (page 8) mentioned that he had B.A in "Modern Languages and Comparative Literature." https://issuu.com/ner-econ/docs/cdes_newsletter_vol_32
• Emeritus Professor is not royally appointed for civillians. The MFU ref is wrong/inconsistent with other sources. Professorship is royally endorsed only once for civil servant in Thailand (unlike appointment of military officers to position of professor emeritus in Thai military schools). http://archives.mfu.ac.th/database/files/original/46d8d6643982400df705fe3896f17b8a.pdf
• Honorary Vice President: All past Vice Presidents of "The International Federation for Modern Languages and Literatures (FILLM)" are listed as Honorary Vice President on the website: http://www.fillm.org/about/formerofficers.html
• SEAMEO: There are several alternative names for it (SEAMEC: SEAMEO Council Conference, SEAMES: Southeast Asian Ministers of Education Secretariat). The current name for the organization is SEAMEO. The use of the name SEAMES has been discontinued, now, it is referred to as SEAMEO Secretariat.
• คู่มือการเสนอผลงานวิชาการ 22 รูปแบบ และวิธีการประเมิน ขอตําแหน่งวิชาการ สาขามนษุยศาสตร์ สังคมศาสตร์ ศิลปกรรม - The correct ISBN is 9789741116034. ISBN in the book is wrong.
• จุดยืนของมนุษยศาสตร์ - The correct ISBN is 9786167787206. The website is wrong. http://www.combangweb.com/product/%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%B8%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%B7%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%82%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%B8%E0%B8%A9%E0%B8%A2/

Primary vs secondary sources

To help address WP:NPOV, we need to define what sources are close to subject matter or considered primary for this article.

For the purpose of this article, (primary) sources that are close to subject matter are mainly

• Materials authored by the subject matter,
• Materials published by Silpakorn University www.su.ac.th, and
• Materials published by TRF Criticism Project https://www.thaicritic.com.

For the purpose of this article, we shall consider Royal Thai Government Gazette to be a (independent, reliable, secondary) neutral source. In the study of history, an article in the gazette is usually a primary source as it was created at the same time as the event. However, for the purpose of this article, we may consider the gazette to be government's newspaper written independently in a neutral official tone by a third party.

--Taweetham (talk) 04:04, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Not included in the article for the time being

As a result of Talk:Chetana_Nagavajara/GA1, the followings information/facts were removed (or not included in the article) as of 12:37, 6 August 2021‎. --Taweetham (talk) 03:18, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

• 1987: German Academic Exchange Service (DAAD)'s study visit (A citation is needed)
  • This may be associated with his frequent visits to Germany for research https://www.geisteswissenschaften.fu-berlin.de/en/v/interweaving-performance-cultures/fellows/fellows_2012_2013/chetana_nagavajara.html (Citations/clarifications are needed.)
• Roles in government committees (Citations are needed)
  • 1994-1998 Thailand Research Fund (TRF) (กรรมการนโยบาย/กรรมการสรรหาเมธีวิจัยอาวุโส)
  • 1985-1989 National Research Council of Thailand (NRCT) (กรรมการบริหาร)
  • x Council of University Presidents of Thailand (CUPT) (อนุกรรมการ)
  • 1997-1999 คณะกรรมการวัฒนธรรมแห่งชาติ
• Influences/Influenced (Citations are needed)
  • | influences = Charles Baudelaire, Bertolt Brecht, Albert Camus, Neville Cardus, Reinhold Grimm, Alexander von Humboldt, Eberhard Lämmert, F. R. Leavis, Ekavidya Na Thalang, Ronald Peacock, Soedjono Djoened Poesponegoro, Friedrich Schiller, Oskar Walzel, René Wellek
  • | influenced = Korakoch Attiviriyanupap, Chamaiporn Bangkombang, Sodchuen Chaiprasathna, Kanya Charoensupkul, Duangmon Chitchamnong, Kimho Ip, Parichat Jungwiwattanaporn, Khamron Gunatilaka, Suntariya Muanpawong, Pradit Prasartthong, Sukanya Sompaiboon
• »Frieden den Kneipen! Krieg den Handys!«  https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutsch-for-sale-a-e1eac778-0002-0001-0000-000049067625 จงกลับไปสู่วัฒนธรรมทางภาษาและการพูดจากัน ซึ่งยังพบได้ในร้านเหล้า แต่ไม่อาจ..." "ขอความสงบสุขจงมีแก่ร้านเหล้า ขอความวิบัติจงมีแก่โทรศัพท์มือถือ" วารสารอักษรศาสตร์ มหาวิทยาลัยศิลปากร (หน้า 36) (need a proper context/elaboration) (WP:BLP/WP:UNDUE)
• การสอบเข้ามหาวิทยาลัยเป็นอัตวินิบาตกรรมของการศึกษาไทย (Chaiprasathna, 1999) (need a proper context/elaboration) (WP:BLP/WP:UNDUE)
• ปฏิเสธไม่รับรางวัลนักเรียนทุนรัฐบาลไทยดีเด่น (ผู้นำระนาดทุ้ม) (WP:BLP/WP:UNDUE)
• "มนุษย์สัมผัสมนุษย์" "วิชาดักดาน/ดักดานวิทยา", "วัฒนธรรมแห่งการวิจารณ์" "สายกลางแห่งการวิจารณ์" และ "วานรชำราบ" (potentially lost in translation/need a proper context/elaboration)