Talk:ChinaJoy

Speedy deletion contention

I think the topic of ChinaJoy is just introduction about the China Digital Entertainment Expo & Conference. I think there are on information about "Unambiguous advertising or promotion." If you really think it exist, please point it. Then I can fix it. Thinks —Preceding unsigned comment added by China JOY2010 (talk • contribs)

• Hi. There is a lot of Google results for ChinaJoy, so it may be a notable subject, however it is currently written a little bit like an advertisement. The references given only refer to the official website - If you could find and add some independent references (not associated with, but about ChinaJoy - there seems to be a lot) and add them, it would show that the subject is important. Esteffect (talk) 06:59, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
• A lot of sources can found here. Esteffect (talk) 07:00, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Think you much. Your suggestion is very useful for improving my topic. I am working on it right now. I hope I can finish it as sonn as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by China JOY2010 (talk • contribs) 07:12, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Tables

I removed the tabulated listing entries ("Organizers") on 18 September 2010 per WP:NOTDIR and as I stated in the AfD - does not seem notable or independently verifiable.

They were re-added 22 September 2010 by DGG (talk · contribs) The website is a sufficiently good source for the list of sponsors.

The references given are dead links; the entire website is not working: http://en.chinajoy.net/Int_JiGouList.aspx

Per WP:BURDEN, and for the reasons originally stated, I think this should be removed. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  12:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:BURDEB does not say what you think it does: It says "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material" not material that has been added and a source accepted--especially accepted after a community discussion as here. Once material has been shown to be sourced, then if the link goes bad, the burden has already been met. (Except for negative BLP.) This is explained further in WP:DEADLINK: "Do not delete factual information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer. WP:Verifiability does not require that all information be supported by a working link." Bold face in the original. The assumption is that anything that did have a reference link is in fact referenced & it is just a technical matter of finding it again, on or off line. With techniques such as you are using I could find reasons to remove half the material from Wikipedia. DGG ( talk ) 16:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

In fairness, I am not suggesting removal "soley because the URL [...] does not work", instead, I am suggesting it because a) I do not consider it to be Encycloapedic information, b) it does not appear verifiable at all now, and previously was only verifiable via a non-independent website.

I mentioned burden re. "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material", and DGG, you did indeed restore it, following my removal.

I accept that the website did exist, but I am not in agreement that it was appropriate to add this specific information based upon that source.

I'm astonished that this article still exists at all, as it began as a blatant advert created by an editor now blocked for a promotional user-name, and I still believe it should have been speedy-deleted under G12, and for that reason, I freely admit that I am somewhat frustrated that so many of us have expended such efforts on it. As it remains, I am trying to ensure it is as valid as possible. If we are unable to check this information in any appropriate reliable source, I do not think it belongs.

However; my specific concern remains: claims linking this event to such organizations as "General Administration of Sport of P.R. China" etc surely need some form of evidence, and as a claim, I believe that the (now non-existent) website for the event itself is insufficient. I do not consider there was prior community discussion about this source; it was not mentioned in AFD, except my query about the tables which nobody responded to.  Chzz  ►  01:26, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

As of now, the links are working again; all three redirect to the same page. Looking at the layout, it seems the Wikipedia article is an exact copy of the tables there - down to the row/column layout.

As such, I feel this is inappropriate, as a non-neutral claim not supported by independent reliable sources.  Chzz  ►  21:33, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

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China Digital Entertainment Expo and Conference → ChinaJoy – WP:COMMONNAME Cfls (talk) 21:55, 5 January 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). – robertsky (talk) 13:32, 7 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 12:22, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

• @Cfls: This was moved in the other direction in 2012. Online search with the two terms return numerous results. While I am inclined to move though, I think a full conversation may be beneficial. – robertsky (talk) 23:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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