Talk:Chinmoy Krishna Das

Bangladesh Sanatan Jagaran Mancha?

Does this group warrant explanation in the article? I'm entirely unfamiliar with the subject or events surrounding him, and I'm having difficulty finding an explanation for what BSJM is on or off wiki. As it doesn't appear to have its own article, is an explanation unnecessary for people familiar enough with the subject to find his wikipedia article? If not, I think it would be helpful to explain in the lead where it's mentioned. LaffyTaffer (talk) 22:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I've created a very basic page on this. Most of the other information that I see are in the social media. Datta (talk) 00:58, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Relying exclusively on Daily Inqilab?

According to Daily Inqilab reports, Chinmoy was allegedly linked to an acid attack on army and police personnel in Chittagong’s Hazari Lane in 2024. He was also accused of exploiting his role at the ISKCON Provartak Temple, where allegations of coercion and abuse of orphans led to his expulsion from the temple.Further allegations against him include occupying a pond owned by BNP Vice-Chairman Mir Mohammad Nasiruddin in Hathazari and disrespecting the national flag by replacing it with a saffron flag at a public event in Chittagong's New Market area.Chinmoy also faced accusations of orchestrating programs aimed at creating communal unrest and embarrassing the interim government of Bangladesh.

This paragraph in controversies relies heavily on a single source, Daily Inqilab, which is not widely considered a reliable source in Bangladesh. According to its Wikipedia article, the news portal has faced multiple accusations of spreading fake news. Furthermore, its founder, Abdul Mannan, has been accused of war crimes during Bangladesh's Liberation War, raising questions about the newspaper's credibility. As a result, Daily Inqilab is not deemed a notable or trustworthy source, and its statements should not be prominently featured on a Wikipedia page. Afootsquab (talk) 09:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Inqilab as a source is used widely in other Wikipedia articles. You must give additional infos regarding dismantling any source or provide any other reliable regarding the very info. Ahammed Saad (talk) 10:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Afootsquab you cannot just remove any info without any consensus, it goes against Wikipedia guidelines. I have added an inline sign regarding the topic. Let the discussion be go on, or please provide more reliable source. Ahammed Saad (talk) 10:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Daily Inqilab has a circulation of over 150,000 and is one of the leading national daily newspapers in Bangladesh. While its founder passed away a long time ago and was accused of war crimes, being accused does not automatically prove guilt. Similarly, using this accusation as a basis to deem the newspaper unreliable is not a logically sound conclusion. —MdsShakil (talk) 11:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

According to both Wikipedia and The Daily Star, this news portal has repeatedly been accused of spreading fake news. Notably, it is the only outlet to publish this biased, undocumented, and unsubstantiated story, further underscoring its lack of credibility. A high circulation number does not equate to reliability or notability. Let’s not overlook the fact that this portal has a track record of disseminating false information. Afootsquab (talk) 14:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Additionally I want to add to Afootsquab's point that Daily Inqilab has removed that article from their page, which shows that this was created to create a rumor. This article is nowhere to be found, other than in some anti-Hindu and anti-minority social media pages. Also, Chinmoy Krishna Das is not part of ISKCON Provartak Temple, as this portion claims. Multiple sources claim otherwise online.Datta (talk) 00:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Various news organizations have reported allegations against Mr. Das, including child abuse, sexual abuse, and several other related issues. [1] [2] —MdsShakil (talk) 08:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

These charges are mentioned only on certain news media that sides with an Islamic narrative. There are references that show that these charges are false. [1] Datta (talk) 11:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

I fully agree with Datta. These news portals exhibit blatant bias and seem to operate with a clear agenda to propagate rumors and misinformation targeting minorities. Their lack of neutrality undermines their credibility, making them unsuitable sources for inclusion, especially when the intent is to tarnish someone's reputation. Afootsquab (talk) 17:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

You can't remove the content claiming it's fake news without proving the reports to be fake. LucrativeOffer (talk) 23:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

 Disagree ISKCON itself admitted the fact, so further confusion should not be created I guess. Ahammed Saad (talk) 08:47, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

ISKCON has clarified that the individual in question is no longer a member of their organization. However, the allegations reported by The Daily Inqilab have not been acknowledged or registered with any credible authority. This claim has only been published by the said outlet. Since the allegations remain unproven, the paragraph should be considered for removal, as it is defamatory in nature. We need a neutral admin to look into this matter. Afootsquab (talk) 18:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Protection

The article should be protected. Various far-right users from both the Hindu & the Muslim sides are trying to vandalise the informations of the article. Being a sensitive person, this article should be protected. Ahammed Saad (talk) 08:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2024

In the first paragraph it is stated "A former member of ISKCON Bangladesh, he was expelled from the organisation following accusations of child sexual abuse and other disciplinary issues." But reference article say "সংবাদ সম্মেলনের প্রশ্নোত্তর পর্বে ইসকন বাংলাদেশের কার্যনির্বাহী কমিটি ও শিশু সুরক্ষা দলের সদস্য হৃষীকেশ গৌরাঙ্গ দাস বলেন, চিন্ময় কৃষ্ণ দাসের বিরুদ্ধে কয়েকটি শিশু অভিযোগ করেছিল যে তাদের সঙ্গে অসদাচরণ ও খারাপ ব্যবহার করা হয়েছে।" In English "During the question and answer session of the press conference, Hrishikesh Gauranga Das, a member of the ISKCON Bangladesh executive committee and child protection team, said that several children had complained against Chinmoy Krishna Das that they had been mistreated and abused." There are no mention of sexual abuse. Also jaijaidin is not a reputed source.

So this should be changed to " child sexual abuse" to "Child abuse" Omi8893 (talk) 14:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 02:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Got it Ahammed Saad (talk) 15:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Disagree. Most of the sources state that the accusation was of child sexual abuse, even the Indian media have now started to [report it. LucrativeOffer (talk) 02:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)