Talk:Chowkidar Chor Hai

Twitter Poll section

• User:Yaazheesan has added this section into the article, I am not entirely convinced if this twitter poll deserves its own section. --DBigXrayᗙ 17:19, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Moved from Chowkidar Chor Hai

What is India's mood? (Twitter Poll)

Odisha Congress State President, Niranjan Patnaik, ran online in mircroblogging site Twitter. The poll question read, "Let's settle this— What is India's mood?" with 'Chowkidar Chor Hai' and 'Main Bhi Chowkidar' as two options. The poll was undertaken for 24 hours starting March 17 and nearly 2 Lakh users had taken this poll. This is one of twitter’s biggest online poll in recent electoral history. The poll result showed that 52% of the voters agreed with the option 'Chowkidar Chor Hai' and rest of the voters agreed on 'Main Bhi Chowkidar'.

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The twitter poll doesn't need a new section. @NPatnaikOdisha is an opposition leader. His follower base is already biased. More over 2 Lakh users is not too much on twitter. Dheerajmpai23 (talk) 21:14, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Very insulting name of the article

Please note that this comment was made by opposition party leader regarding the Prime Minister of India, Mr. Narendra Modi. I do not know what needs to be done now with this article or title, but please understand that this title itself is very insulting and can create lot of anger in people. Or is that the purpose of this article? Thank you. -- Abhijeet Safai (talk) 07:31, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Abhijeet Safai: see the page move request below. 103.220.38.163 (talk) 13:30, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 31 March 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Any necessary merge discussions can proceed independently of the result of this request. Dekimasuよ! 04:39, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

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Chowkidar Chor Hai → Main Bhi Chowkidar

As mentioned on the AfD, there are more than 30,00,000 results on Google news for "Main Bhi Chowkidar" but only 5,00,000 results for "Chowkidar Chor Hai".

Per WP:COMMONNAME, the page should be moved. This complies with WP:BLP because present title is just an absurd allegation by an opposition leader to the Prime minister of India, while proposed title "Main Bhi Chowkidar" is a self-admission by the Prime minister. 103.220.38.163 (talk) 13:26, 31 March 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. DannyS712 (talk) 22:39, 11 April 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. B dash (talk) 04:41, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

This article insults the Honorable Prime Minister of India and this act is result of cyber misdeed by his political enemies. Please delete this content as it insults the huge mandate he has currently. He is world leader and more importantly Chowkidar of Indian interest.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhichd (talk • contribs) 15:59, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose "Main Bhi Chowkidar" slogan is a response to the slogan Chowkidar Chor Hai (source: [1]) and it is not the only response. The article and its title is notable in itself and its notability does not decrease on the number of hits for other slogans. First this article was nominated for AfD and on getting a WP:SNOW KEEP result a move request has now been started. obvious signs of not dropping the WP:STICK. Not sure why the OP calls it absurd but as the numbers above show, Chowkidar Chor Hai is a highly Notable Election campaign slogan that is used by both BJP and Congress party, This has been covered in reliable sources both national and international for six, months now and was first used five years back and since then been regularly used by Narendra Modi. Achhe din aane waale hain was another slogan used by BJP that has its own article. Category:Political catchphrases and Category:Indian political slogans pages would make it clear to anyone that Wikipedia covers notable political slogans. World leader and all that are not valid reasons. Please see WP:HONOR to understand about such logic. --DBigXrayᗙ 19:12, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONSISTENCY. All newest sources use "Main Bhi Chowkidar" to discuss the subject.[2][3] [4][5] We should do the same. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 16:33, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Using BOLDED wikilinks does not really help if you fail to back it up with proper justification. read WP:JUSTAPOLICY for more. The so called "newest" sources you posted are discussing "Main Bhi Chowkidar" because Modi did an event on Main Bhi Chowkidar on 31 March [6]. There are enough reliable sources in the article and here are some more. To counter ' chowkidar chor hai ' jibe, PM launches 'main bhi chowkidar' campaign 'Chowkidar not thief, he is pure', Rajnath Singh hits at opposition over 'Chowkidar chor hai' slogan, 'हवा में उड़ गए जय श्री राम' से 'चौकीदार चोर है', दिलचस्प नारे, IPL 2019: जयपुर के मैच में लगे ‘चौकीदार चोर है’ के नारे!, Chowkidar to Chor and many more, what set social media on fire this March, Modi takes swipe at Rahul Gandhi for his 'chowkidar chor hai' barb, चौकीदारों से PM मोदी: विपक्ष का 'चौकीदार चोर है' का नारा देश के लिए नुकसानदेह, PM Modi Says Opposition's "Chowkidar Chor Hai" Slogan Harmful For Country, Urmila disagrees with Rahul Gandhi’s 'chowkidar chor hai' slogan, 'Chowkidar hi Chor Hain, Crime Thriller Playing Out in Delhi', Slogan ‘Acche din aayenge’ has changed to ‘Chowkidar chor hai’, राफेल मामले पर बोले राहुल, चौकीदार ही चोर है ये हम साबित करके रहेंगे, After repeated 'chowkidar chor hai' jibes, Narendra Modi in Madhya Pradesh says Congress, its 'naamdar' hurling abuses at him, 'Chowkidar Chor Hai': Uddhav Thackeray Uses Rahul Gandhi's Jibe To Attack Modi, राहुल गांधी के 'चौकीदार ही चोर है' बयान को इस तरह भुनाएगी बीजेपी --DBigXrayᗙ 05:23, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per DBigXray. Akhiljaxxn (talk) 17:28, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. The OP's reasoning is quite confusing. COMMONNAME applies to different names used for a single phenomenon. The proposed new title, on the other hand, is a slogan coined in response to the one discussed here. COMMONNAME is quite irrelevant. The real question is whether we need a separate article or not. I'm not 100% convinced that we need an article separate from the two campaign articles. But if a standalone article about the slogan is to exist, this is the title for it. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:46, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
• Support as proposed title is far more common than "Chowkidar Chor Hai", which is unpopular and almost outdated. There is no reason not to change the title now. Dheerajmpai23 (talk) 01:52, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

• If something with 5,00,000 Google News hits is called unpopular, then I don't know what will be called popular. FYI, Wikipedia articles are not based on popularity but on Notability. There is no such thing called outdated on wikipedia, Once notable, always notable. The Question of notability has already been answered at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Chowkidar_Chor_Hai where the community unanimously agreed that this is a notable subject. So let's not raise the notability issue again. Agree with Vanamonde. I find it humorous to see folks commenting Support without realizing these 2 seperate slogans do not mean the same thing. WP:COMMONNAME is invoked when there are 2 competing names for the same thing. But here we have 2 seperate slogans. It is obvious that some users are commenting on the basis of their personal bias instead of logic.--DBigXrayᗙ 11:58, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

2 of these slogans concern same subject. But we should switch the title to the more common slogan since one slogan (main bhi chowkidar) is much more popular than other one (chowkidar chor hai). Srijanx22 (talk) 18:20, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

What subject are you talking about? The article subject is "Chowkidar chor hai", a hindi slogan that means, "The watchman is a thief" The subject of the article is this slogan "Chowkidar chor hai", and not Modi. The subject is notable based on AfD result and its article has its own structure. "Mai Bhi Chowkidar" is another slogan that is a response to this original slogan "Chowkidar Chor hai" and now has also been copied to the article Bharatiya Janata Party campaign for the 2019 Indian general election. Did you understand when I stated above that The article and its title is notable in itself and its notability does not decrease on the number of hits for other slogans. The article won't be deleted or renamed just because some BJP/Modi supporters are pissed off with the slogan and wanted it to be first deleted and when that did not worked out, now renamed to another slogan with mass WP:CANVASSING. Wikipedia, does not really work that way, stuffing the ballot box is of no use and comments not based on any policy based justification will simply be discarded.--DBigXrayᗙ 04:21, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

• Suppport Main Bhi Chowkidar is definitely more covered by the media and reliable sources as nominator has proven. Srijanx22 (talk) 18:20, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
• Weak support although I feel Chowkidar Chor Hai should be merged into Indian National Congress campaign for the 2019 Indian general election and Main Bhi Chowkidar should be merged into Bharatiya Janata Party campaign for the 2019 Indian general election. I don't know who thought it was a good idea to create articles for these trivial slogans which don't seem to have a WP:LASTING significance. 117.198.116.6 (talk) 11:24, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

• A trivial slogan doesn't get sustained coverage in the international media and millions of google hits as OP pointed above, you can read WP:SIGCOV to understand more about what constitutes notability. The question of notability is not being discussed here since it was already addressed at the AfD. --DBigXrayᗙ 06:06, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

• I suggest you read the point "Presumed" in WP:SIGCOV as well as WP:LOTSOFGHITS, and then stop WP:BLUDGEONing the discussion. 117.198.116.6 (talk) 07:46, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

• I suggest you login and use your main account.--DBigXrayᗙ 08:37, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose both article are different in nature and should move to their respective campaign article page of both political parties. Sumit Singh ^T 11:14, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

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Merge to - Indian National Congress campaign for the 2019 Indian general election

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Currently there is no consensus to merge. Pratyush (talk) 16:41, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

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Since this article is just about a slogan of the bigger campaign, it is better to merge this article to Indian National Congress campaign for the 2019 Indian general election. Notability is a concern about this article too.Soarwakes (talk) 09:26, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

• The Question about the WP:Notability of this article has already been answered at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Chowkidar_Chor_Hai please read the discussion and understand why and how. Please read WP:STICK and follow it. If you disagree with the close of the AfD then discuss it with the closing admin. It is obvious to me that users supporting a particular political party are doing everything that can possibly be done to get rid of this article. First AfD and then multiple merge / rename threads. --DBigXrayᗙ 11:56, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Merger was not discussed in the AFD. Soarwakes (talk) 14:27, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

A merger is done when the article is deemed non notable, or there are good reasons per WP:MERGEREASON. None of them are applicable here. An article is not merged because WP:YOUDONTLIKEIT

When an article is at WP:AfD, (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Chowkidar_Chor_Hai) all possible options are thought of and considered. The AfD was closed as keep and hence its notable has been agreed upon. The community has decided in AfD that this article is notable in its own capacity. A merger is now moot. You are free to copy content to other articles but this article will exist independently since it is a notable topic. stop edit warring over this. or you will be reported.--DBigXrayᗙ 15:06, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

• Support merge. This qualifies as a subpart of INC Campaign. Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 08:35, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

• Support merge. This slogan is part of congress campaign in 2019 election.Sumit Singh ^T 11:11, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose It is obvious that supporters of BJP are trying (by Wikipedia:Stuffing the ballot box to get rid of this article, since they find it obnoxious and against their supreme leader (as evident in the threads above). Even if Congress has been using this slogan, this slogan has been in the news for more than 7 months now, (well before the election Campaign started) and it is individually notable. The notability is proven since the article has passed the gold test of WP:AFD The article and its title is notable in itself and its notability does not decrease on the number of hits for other slogans. First this article was nominated for AfD and on getting a WP:SNOW KEEP result a move request was started and now a merge thread. obvious signs of not dropping the WP:STICK. Not sure why the OP calls it non notable but as the numbers above show, Chowkidar Chor Hai is a highly Notable Election campaign slogan that is used by both BJP and Congress party, This has been covered in reliable sources both national and international for six, months now and was first used five years back and since then been regularly used by Narendra Modi. Achhe din aane waale hain was another slogan used by BJP that has its own article. Category:Political catchphrases and Category:Indian political slogans pages would make it clear to anyone that Wikipedia covers notable political slogans.--DBigXrayᗙ 18:51, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support -- This is not worthy enough of an encyclopedic article. WP:NOPAGE. ∯WBG^converse 11:28, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

• You are wrongly claiming that the article is non notable. The notability question has been decided at the AfD overwhelmingly in favour of the article. See WP:JUSTAPOLICY, you have failed to clarify how WP:NOPAGE applies here. This article already contains all the necessary contextual information that a reader needs to understand the subject. --DBigXrayᗙ 08:45, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Oppose The article is notable and is one of the political catchphrases which qualifies to have a separate Wikipedia page. It is not just a part of the political campaign but lot has been said about it in the mainstream media and by the top court of India. Rather, its mention should be there in the Indian National COngress page with an internal link to this page for more details. Edwige9 (talk) 15:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose merger of the slogan article into campaign article. The slogan has had it's own notability which will and is still outliving the campaign. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 14:17, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose And close. Clearly no consensus for merging. I see no case for merging.BabbaQ (talk) 15:18, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

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Article is non-neutral

The current version of the article is non-neutral (WP:NPV). Because, no criticism that came against the slogan is mentioned at all, and on the contrary, all content is about the support given to the slogan. On the other side, half of the content in the Main Bhi Chowkidar sub-section is criticism. This makes the article unbalanced. 2405:204:D20A:8361:19A0:C545:FE1B:EC4E (talk) 11:04, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Please read and familiarize yourself with WP:CSECTION. The criticism is a part of the section titled "Response". Feel free to expand it. Main Bhi Chowkidar is now a new article, You can add whatever you would like to add here and on Main Bhi Chowkidar.--DBigXrayᗙ 11:27, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Why there is no criticism against the slogan is added in the Response section ? Did it only got positive response ? Because I am only seeing the positive responses here. Just pointing out the article's non-neutral writing. 2405:204:D20A:8361:10C6:67EB:193D:ED2E (talk) 06:16, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Open your eyes and read that section again. It already includes criticism against the slogan. If you want to add more then Please see WP:SOFIXIT

If you are claiming that the article is not neutral, then you have to specify here in this section, which line is not neutral, so that it can be fixed. If you are claiming that criticism is not included, mention specifically with a reliable source, the content that is missed out, so that it can be included. It seems you are only interested in WP:TAGBOMBs, instead of COLLABORATIVE article improvement. --DBigXrayᗙ 06:58, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Am I missing here something. Can you specify which part in this article criticize the Chowkidar Chor Hai slogan ? The one who add a tag has no obligation to fix it, that's why a tag is added, if you want that gone, you fix it. 137.97.62.162 (talk) 13:43, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, you are missing to specify what "Exact" criticism is not added and also you did not provide any reference for that criticism that you are claiming is lacking here. --DBigXrayᗙ 17:55, 16 April 2019 (UTC)