Talk:Christian Cooper

Wrong birth date

Clearly, Christopher Cooper was NOT born in 1988 since he was writing Star Trek comics in the mid-1990s. I seriously doubt Marvel hired him to write Star Trek when he was only eight years old.  :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.149.12 (talk) 19:56, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Film director

Christopher Cooper is also the name of a film director. High Heels on Wet Pavement 23:00, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Name

He is usually credited as Chris Cooper and the Comic Book DB gives him as Christian Cooper as does Memory Alpha, Comic Vine. I suspect for the best this should really be moved to Chris Cooper (comics). (Emperor (talk) 17:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC))

Requested move

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Not moved. The reference lists the currently name first and the short form second. We also tend to avoid disambiguation where possible. Finally the provided statement supporting the move discusses both as valid. Also two dab are suggested. So no case for a move has been made. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:12, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Christian Cooper → Chris_Cooper_(comic_book_writer) – You can't use add any old date stamp. This will list it on the correct day. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:32, 27 April 2011 (UTC) He is usually credited as Chris Cooper and the Comic Book DB gives him as Christian Cooper as does Memory Alpha, Comic Vine. I suspect for the best this should really be moved to Chris Cooper (comics)

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Central park incident

The current section about the incident is quite long, and I'm not sure if it is appropriate to have this much detail about this one singular event on this article - WP:NOTNEWS comes to mind. Also, just as a  Note: "Amy Cooper" redirects here, even though an AfD discussion was closed as "speedy delete" (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amy Cooper). Basically, I have concerns about WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E (for the pretty in-depth discussion of what happened, and the redirect here). Seagull123 Φ 13:46, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

{{Ping}}ing users who took part in the deletion discussion mentioned in my comment above, and the user who made the redirect, in order to start a discussion: @John B123, SpicyMilkBoy, Hewston Astro, HouseOfChange, EvergreenFir, and TJMSmith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seagull123 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

• I shared your concerns about BLP with Amy and also felt that the previous section was UNDUE which is why, independently of seeing this shortened the section to two sentences and removed her name. I have less of a concern about the redirect than an article because there is information (and soruces which name her) to be found here. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
• The last two edits by Hewston Astro seem inappropriate and in violation of WP:NPOV and given it's been contested and there's an active discussion, I'd encourage them to self revert given WP:BLP is a policy and not a suggestion. This is an article about Christian Cooper and should focus on what he is notable for - his work, not Amy Cooper's racism. Praxidicae (talk) 16:40, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Amy Cooper as redirect but not as subject

Amy Cooper's name is used as a redirect but she is abstracted as "woman" in the article. Similarly to the Emmett Till article, Carolyn Bryant is used as a redirect but also mentioned in the article as mention of her is relevant. There is no valid argument to obfuscate the name of the two parties involved in an incident. The article must be updated to include her name in the body. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hewston Astro (talk • contribs) 17:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

I noted that Amy Cooper wasn't mentioned in this article, but is mentioned on Karen (slang), so changed the target of the redirect to there. Anyone who thinks the redirect is still problematic can take it to RFD. Robofish (talk) 22:23, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Ethnic backgrounds/histories omitting in page

The reason the incident is historically important is primarily due to the the ethnic backgrounds of the parties and the parties actions. Ethnic backgrounds of the parties involved is important as is in the Emmett Till case. Just because no one was killed in the incident does not make this detail less important. This is precedent for this inclusion. Do not omit ethnicity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hewston Astro (talk • contribs) 17:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Starting multiple discussions when there was already a discussion underway makes life harder. I would have no have no issues with n May 2020, while birdwatching, Cooper, a black man, filmed a racially charged encounter he had with a white woman. (we could get rid of the dog piece also as not really the core of the problem).

As to listing Amy Cooper's name this is different than Emmett Till. Christian Cooper was notable before this. His claim to notability is not this event. This event in my mind is not one that is notable. As such Amy Cooper has privacy rights laid out by our BLP policy, specifically because this is a WP:BLP1E situation. Whether there is a redirect or not does not mean that we have to name her (in order to shame her). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:25, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

It is a little bit confusing to type in her name and end up on a page of someone with the same surname, where there is no mention of her name in the article at all.Totorotroll (talk) 11:55, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Fair point but I would suggest the answer to that is to RfD the redirect. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 13:45, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

A tad too quick on that recommendation, did you skimp researching on this very talk page or reviewing another article, as I have, so you yourself could suggest how to improve rather than remove the redirect? Why is deletion not more of a last resort? WurmWoode^T 06:37, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't really care about the redirect. I care about this article. So I have thrown out suggestions but have not edited that redirect nor do I plan to. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:51, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

I have again removed a longer write-up of the incident with Amy Cooper as UNDUE. This incident belongs in this article. However it is not why he notable and to cover it in such detail is UNDUE. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 13:56, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Megs: how does this incident require more context? I only raise these concerns as WP:UNDUE for this article - the fact that this is not his claim to notability is thus important when judging how much detail we give. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:58, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: The previous two sentence summary was borderline misleading for readers unfamiliar with the incident. I agree we should avoid giving this event undue weight in the article and that is an argument to spend our time improving the representation of Cooper's work, much of which is not included here. Megs (talk) 20:17, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Agree White washing Strategic omission of the very key elements that make this notable just leaves this entry to future editors to conveniently remove the event for having no obvious importance on the surface — deletionists are all too trigger happy and all too frequently neglect looking before removing. WurmWoode^T 06:11, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

"This" is not notable. If it was we'd have a separate article on it. Cooper himself is not notable for this incident, he's notable for his work as a groundbreaking author. Having UNDUE coverage of "this" incident goes against our policies and guidelines. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) Barkeep49 (talk) 15:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Ms. Cooper presents her side of the story

This Bari Weiss podcast presents Ms. Cooper's attempt to justify her conduct in this incident.

It may be considered for updating this page. Gadly Circus (talk) 11:55, 5 August 2021 (UTC) Gadly Circus (talk) 12:02, 5 August 2021 (UTC)Gadly Circus

Ms. Cooper's lawsuit was dismissed in federal district court

Ms. Cooper's lawsuit against her former employer for wrongful termination was dismissed by the federal district court. 77.108.152.44 (talk) 12:39, 30 May 2023 (UTC) https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/09/22/amy-cooper-franklin-templeton-lawsuit/#