Talk:Christine Hayes

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The result was: rejected by Narutolovehinata5 (talk) 08:01, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Does not meet 5x expansion requirements, nominator did not respond to comments or pings.

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• ... that scholar Christine Hayes' PhD thesis on differences in the Babylonian and Palestinian Talmuds became the impetus for Jacob Neusner's book, Are the Talmuds Interchangeable? Christine Hayes's Blunder? Source: "In 1996, Mr. Neusner published a devastating critique of a doctoral thesis by a young scholar, Christine Hayes. There, for all to see, was "Are the Talmuds Interchangeable? Christine Hayes's Blunder."

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5x expanded by Cawhee (talk). Self-nominated at 18:43, 11 May 2020 (UTC).

• @Cawhee: thanks for working on this article about a very impressive scholar. I don't believe it has been expanded 5x per WP:DYKRULES 1b. Could you confirm if I am missing something? Onceinawhile (talk) 17:01, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

• The article was 10,370 prose characters prior to the first of Cawhee's edits, and is now 4,266 prose characters, a decrease in size rather than an expansion. This was in two steps: a cut/rewrite on May 10, and a further expansion on May 17. However, as it says at WP:DYKSG#A4: Fivefold expansion is calculated from the previously existing article, no matter how bad it was (copyvios are an exception), no matter whether you kept any of it and no matter if it were up for deletion. So this cannot qualify as an expansion. If the article should someday become a Good Article, it can be nominated at that time, but it is too large a base to qualify as a 5x expansion. Courtesy ping to Onceinawhile, the original reviewer, who noticed the expansion issue. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:23, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Her own religious views

I think the article should mention her own religious views;

"Christine Hayes of Yale University is one of the very few and perhaps the most accomplished academic expert in Talmudic literature who was neither born nor raised as a Jew and who, as you will see below, consciously decided not to convert to Judaism." The Tikvah Fund | Ideas & Opinions | Christine Hayes and Yehoshua Pfeffer – What is Rabbinic Literature? | September 3, 2014 at 3:35pm

78.181.88.133 (talk) 19:54, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that we need to know her particular religious views, but we do need to know that was not born or raised a Jew and did not convert to Judaism. Given the above, it seems striking to me that she attended the University Hillel and volunteered at an Israeli kibbutz. I came here just after rewatching the first lecture in her online course and being reminded how biased in favor of Judaism she seems in it. TheScotch (talk) 09:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Her status as non-Jewish had been a matter of minor controversy, as when a few objections were raised to her becoming AJS president. I recall reading objections by a prominent scholar, but just now I couldn't find a source via Google. I did find mention of Neusner's criticism: https://religiondispatches.org/as-transition-approaches-jewish-studies-is-mired-in-controversy/

Anyway, I agree that her non-Jewish status can be mentioned and it is a matter of public record. It does not need to be notable. But the relevance of her status should not be discussed in the article without a reliable source. ProfGray (talk) 12:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

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