Talk:Church of God International (United States)

Removed info

Hi! I removed a bunch of info on some unrelated stuff, but you just added it back in. Was there a reason for that?--Yaksar (let's chat) 04:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

ICG needs to be removed to its own Wikipedia article

While there is a definite historical connection between the Church of God, International and the Intercontinental Church of God -- namely Garner Ted Armstrong -- these are separate church organizations and should not be conflated in a single article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.58.246.49 (talk) 23:51, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

This Article Is Not Accurate

I am a member of the Church of God International. This article is not accurate and many of the links that supposedly support the inaccurate claims do not work. I request that this article be edited to accurately describe the Church of God, International.

First the article states that the church was " founded by evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong (1930-2003)" This is not entirely accurate. It was founded by four former members of The Worldwide Church of God. One of which was Garner Ted Armstrong. http://www.thejournal.org/issues/issue144/over-the-years-cgi-moved-from-authoritarianism.html

Second, the article states "CGI doctrines are similar to those of the other Sabbatarian Churches of God, which formed after the 1995 schism in the Worldwide Church of God and primarily follow the teachings of Garner Ted Armstrong's father, Herbert W. Armstrong." This is not a true representation of the doctrines of the church which are stated on the CGI website. http://cgi.org/about/ The Church believes its doctrines originate from the Apostles who founded the church in the first century. The Bible can be cited as a source of this, because the doctrines come solely from there. The doctrines are also similar to Seventh Day Adventist and the Church of God Seventh Day. None of these doctrines are the invention of Herbert W. Armstrong (although he may have believed some of them) and should not be labelled Armstrongism. There is also no reference to British American Hebrew roots or Church eras. There is nothing mentioned about Herbert W. Armstrong.

Next the article states "Following allegations of Garner Ted's gambling and adultery,[2] the disagreements between Garner Ted and his father over operations and certain doctrinal positions in WCG boiled over. In 1978, Herbert W. Armstrong excommunicated his son from WCG and fired him from all roles in the church. Garner Ted moved to Tyler, Texas where he founded the Church of God International and the Garner Ted Armstrong Evangelistic Association." There is no credible source to back most of this statement up. Reports of allegations are only rumor or hearsay and not relative to the forming of the Church of God, International.

Next the article states "In 1998, amid accusations of rape,[5][6] Garner Ted Armstrong was removed from office by the church's board of directors.[7] A significant ministerial reorganization followed which resulted in the present sharing of administration and leadership among church pastors." The referenced article states it was "sexual assault" and does not use the word rape. I believe the use of word "rape" has been influenced by those with an anti-Christian bias. Any other details of this should be included in the article on Garner Ted Armstrong. This allegation is about a man who was an employee of the Church and not the Church of God, International.

This article here http://www.thejournal.org/issues/issue144/over-the-years-cgi-moved-from-authoritarianism.html is a true representation of The Church of God, International and should be used as a source during future edits. This video also provides information about the church. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXy9Gw4sIp4

As a church member I believe that an unbiased person should fix these mistakes.75.109.195.212 (talk) 20:49, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

I Agree

There are numerous biased and unsubstantiated allegations on this page, and I agree that allegations against Garner Ted are not germaine to the CGI itself and should be detailed in Garner Ted's entry. This page has bothered me for some time, though will require some work to clean up. Thanks for the info you supplied. Siricruz (talk) 22:50, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

FYI: Talk from next two entries is pasted over from personal talk page:

Accurate representation of doctrine on CGI wiki page

Thanks for the accurate representation of doctrine on the article "Church of God, International." I noticed that the logo is gone from the article. I am the media director for CGI and it is ok to use that logo on this page.75.109.195.212 (talk) 15:44, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your input

Any other input or corrections, especially on doctrine, would be appreciated. I am trying to restore the logo, but have to work through Wikipedia and Wikimedia copyright paperwork.Siricruz (talk) 21:19, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

New information about the CGI

Please consider this information when updating: http://cgi.org/news-and-events/2015/6/29/charles-groce-retirement — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.108.164.123 (talk) 21:43, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

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"binitarian"?

The article says 'God "the Father" and Jesus Christ are viewed as distinct "God beings" in the "God family"' This does not make them binitarian, it makes them ditheists. The opening should represent this. Binitarian would be like the 4th century Macedonians, who accepted the Nicene description of the Father and the Son as being one God, but did not accept the personhood of the Holy Spirit. --134.153.14.13 (talk) 18:17, 11 December 2019 (UTC)