Talk:Cinema of Catalonia

Requested move 17 April 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 16:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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Catalan cinema → Cinema of Catalonia – WP:TITLECON. The article defines it as the cinema of Catalonia, including films in Catalan and Spanish. That means 'Catalan' refers to Catalonia, not the Catalan language, and excludes Valencia, the Baleares and Andorra. Any hypothetical article about films in Catalan should be named "Catalan-language cinema" or somesuch. NLeeuw (talk) 14:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). NLeeuw (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy ping @SnowFire: Let's discuss this further here and receive broader feedback from the community. You may copypaste your reason for contesting here if you wish. Good day. NLeeuw (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose. There's no ambiguity argument here because we don't have a separate article on Catalan-language cinema so there's no disambiguation problem. So without that as a factor, the unstated assumption seems to be that Catalan cinema that isn't in the Catalan language isn't "true" Catalan cinema, and thus shouldn't be called that? I don't agree. The current page title is accurate. Any ambiguity can be cleaned up in the lede. (Only a weak oppose because sure, "Cinema of Catalonia" is also accurate, I just think that there needs to be an affirmative argument made for why that that title would be preferred.) I'm also not certain it's accurate that this topic excludes Valencia - yes, it's true that Valencian nationalists like to separate themselves from Catalonia, but in English-speaking divisions, Valencia is usually considered part of a "greater Catalonia" and lumped together with it (see Catalan Countries). The article is currently rather stubby, but maybe we need to check the sources? It's possible that even if we truly want to use a geographical area, it should be "Cinema of Catalan Countries", since I rather doubt that a Valencian film would not be considered part of this grouping. SnowFire (talk) 18:46, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support. From an industry standpoint, both Catalonia, Galicia, and Andalusia feature a sort of distinct environment (yet with films often in co-production with companies from other autonomous communities) and to a lesser extent cinema from other autonomous communities. I'm also not certain it's accurate that this topic excludes Valencia I don't think there is such thing as a solid framework pertaining a "language-blind Cinema of the Catalan Countries". A potential topic of "cinema of the Catalan Countries" would be inexorably linked to cinema in the Catalan language. While neither title is "wrong", the proposal seems to match usage in Wikipedia regarding geographically-defined scopes of cinema while current title does not.--Asqueladd (talk) 18:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support. The proposed title covers both Catalan- and Spanish-language cinema from Catalonia, which is the scope of the article, and not cinema in the Catalan language. We do not need an article on the latter to argue the current title can be ambiguous. Furthermore, "Catalan Countries" is a loaded term. I don't think it would be neutral to have an article named after the region. "Catalan-language cinema" or "Cinema in the Catalan language" would be better hypothethical options. Super Ψ Dro 11:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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