Talk:Circle 7 logo

WHDH and WSVN

I'm a bit worried. It appears that debate between CFIF (talk · contribs) and Leonard23 (talk · contribs) regarding if WHDH-TV's logo should be represented with or without NBC's peacock has arrived here, and also now involves if Image:WHDH-WSVN.png should also be replaced for WSVN by Image:WSVN.png. I don't want to get into trouble so I'm neutral, but a revert war appears to have begun. What is most proper? --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Listcruft?

I agree that the original Circle 7 logo is iconic. But this has lately become a list of "all stations with a circular logo", and I find it hard to believe that most (although not necessarily all) of these are really based on the ABC Circle 7. A circle is a pretty common shape, after all. Even direct competitors to the original ABC O&Os are listed as having used logos "based" on the Circle 7, which sounds unlikely.

Ideally I'd gut them all, but as an alternative, aside from the various versions of the Circle 7 itself, others should be restricted to those with (a) a solid, full-circle border around the circle, (b) a number inside the circle (i.e. not BCTV), and (c) a sans-serif font. — stickguy (:^›)— home - talk - 03:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree that in its current form, the list pretty much engulfs the article (and makes the TOC far too long).

However, I'm not particularly knowledgeable on the logo (having came here while browsing for Circle 7 Animation, with a redirect pointing here from Circle 7. I'd never heard of either the logo or the channel before today), so I don't really know what should be done to trim it, so I added {{Listdisp}} to the section, to hopefully attract some attention this way. --Dreaded Walrus 23:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Dunno about the others, but WWNY-TV did carry ABC secondary affiliation from 1954-1986, despite being primarily a CBS station they were the only US station in their local market until 1971 so their situation resembled that of KXGN now. --99.245.244.176 (talk) 04:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

KPLC-TV

It's used one for years...Ranma9617 22:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Circle logo number

Why is it logical to call this logo "Circle 7" even if it's on a random channel?? Georgia guy 16:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I would suspect it has to do with it originating and apparently being most popular on channel 7 (although the "circle 4" seems to be used quite frequently as well now). JMyrleFuller 21:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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Band I vs. Band III VHF?

"When ABC applied for TV licenses in the late 1940s, it was thought that the low-band (channels 2 through 6) TV channels would be discontinued, thus making these five stations broadcasting on VHF channel 7 the lowest on the TV dial"

Any source for this assertion?

It would seem that, in the early days of commercial television (1940's-1960's) ABC was a perennial third-ranked US broadcaster with less core news programming than the big-two (NBC and CBS) and less access to then prime spots on the low-VHF dial (the 3's and 5's often already claimed by the two stronger networks). While ABC's fortunes improved somewhat with fourth-ranked DuMont suspending network operations in 1955 (its O&O stations became independent group Metromedia/Metropolitan Broadcasting System, then were acquired as the core O&O's to relaunch a fourth network as Fox TV in 1986) most long-running ABC news and public-affairs (20/20, Good Morning America) was introduced in the 1970's. ABC was to gain the top position around the time of its 1976 Olympics coverage, but by then any community which had long had NBC/CBS affiliates as early adopters of low-band channels would see ABC pushed higher on the dial (a town with CBS/NBC on 3/5, allocating no two local stations to adjacent channels, would at best be able to allocate ABC7 as the third-network affiliate - which happened often, and sometimes was only possible by moving the station to an adjacent town if a city's local allocations were all taken).

The strongest early networks grabbed then-prime spots at the low end of the VHF dial

Certainly WNBT (NBC, channel 1) and WABD (DuMont, channel 4) would've been 'experimenting' with TV broadcasts in NYC during the pre-1941 era while the key NTSC system technical standards were still being drafted. By 1948, there would have been about 100 US stations on-air nationwide, although ABC would've been in its infancy at best (as a spinoff from NBC radio's secondary "blue" network) at the time - a late entrant in many key markets.

I realise the low-VHF channels have been rendered all-but-worthless now by the forced US DTV transition, with entire towns like Syracuse (3,5,9), Plattsburgh (3,5,22) and Utica (2,20) transformed into UHF islands overnight (many in Kingston-Watertown lost over-the-air NBC to this) and some of the longest-established stations are now trying to compensate for being bumped to some of the worst high-UHF spots by increasing power, sometimes to the megawatt ERP limit, with somewhat disappointing results. I doubt, somehow, that ABC saw this problem coming in the 1940's... if they landed on now-valuable high-VHF channels, it's because those were the best to still be available after stronger NBC/CBS stations had already claimed then-prime low-band VHF spots (all now worthless) ab initio.

(B—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.102.80.212 (talk) 20:24, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

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