Talk:Civil Guard (Spain)

rewrite needed

They typically patrol in pairs. Their traditional hat is the tricornio, originally three-beaked. Many of their members were drawn from poor regions of Spain such as Galicia.

It is a joke? Please, check the Spanish or other version and rewrite the article. The actual English version is very short, subjetive and inaccurate.--Menah the Great 12:15, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd love to, but I don't know Spanish. Perhaps you could act as the banner carrier for this rewrite, since it seems you do? :) Joffeloff 17:26, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

The Spanish Civil Guard is well described in this article. It's maybe a bit short. I don't agree with the affirmation of which many of its members are coming from poor regions (it doesn't appear yet in the article, well done). It is true that initially this was like that, by what there were called they deserters of the plough; but now very diverse people, included university licentiates, request their revenue in the corps. In its origins the principal function of the Civil Guard was the alertness of the ways, principally in the rural zones; and the struggle against the racketeering. Now the Civil Guard is one of the most effective and complete police corps of the world, as it's said in the article. In my opinion only a little amplification would be needed, and also there is suitable a reference to its creator, the duke of Ahumada. I recommend the official web page to get information. Regards from Spain. 22,18 1 Aug 2006

This article does not describe the criticisms of the Guardia Civil, such as accusasions of torture by Basque activists. There should be more about the treatment of the Basques.

>>>>>>>>>This is just nonsense. Your so-called "Basque activists" are in fact terrorists who kill people for some stupid reasons (and still they think they are "leftist" or something like that). I do not think anybody cares if your poor innocent Basque activists are tortured or whatever. Get a book and learn something useful, you ignorant. Think what you will, but do NOT kill people just because they do not think the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.132.124 (talk) 06:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe no one cares about the Basque activists been tortured and murdered, but this is the wikipedia, and we are not suposed to write only what YOU care, because if somebody has said something about it, it's because he, in fact, cares about it. The fact of torture "so-called" terrorists donesn´t mean that they don´t torture anyone, and it's something that has to be mentioned. 85.86.50.140 (talk) 09:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Move. —Wknight94 (talk) 16:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Rationale: Rationale: Both pages linking to same article, there is no other country Guardia Civil page in en.wiki. Even if, let's say, Guardia Civil (Perú) gets started, a Guardia Civil (disambiguation) could take care of that.

Survey

Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

• Support, nominator. --E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 02:24, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support per nom. No competition, no dab needed. --Dhartung | Talk 03:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

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The UAR don't exists.Now it's called SEPRONA (SErvicio de PRotección de la NAturaleza)

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To the previous line: The UAR does exists. UAR means "Unidad de Acción Rural" and it is the evoluted name of the former GAR (Grupo Antiterrorista Rural/Grupo de Acción Rural). It has nothing in common with SEPRONA (Enviromental protection).

To the main text: Basic members of Guardia Civil are not called "números" (numbers). It can sound long but the correct denomination is "Guardias Civiles" or "Guardias Civiles de la Guardia Civil", as "Sargentos de la Guardia Civil" or "Coroneles de la Guardia Civil". (Singular applies)

Guardia Civil Veterana

At the time that the Philippines was a Spanish colony in the 19th century, the Guardia Civil in the colony was renamed Guardia Civil Veterana. This happened in 1872. Can anyone explain why this was done? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.107.159.125 (talk) 12:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The Guardia Civil Veterana was the rough equivalent of an anti-riot force in the 19th century Guard. It was composed of veteran guardsmen, as it name indicates, and, as an elite force, was sent to overseas garrisons. However, it was disbanded near the end of the 19th, don't know exact date, due to the excessive use of force while disbanding an student riot in Madrid, with several dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.203.236.115 (talk) 16:13, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

symbol

is there a reason for the symbol not being displayed ? i found it here. can someone please add it ? thanks :) 195.49.248.147 (talk) 15:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Pareja

Can somebody confirm whether this tactic was in fact original to the Guardia Civil, as it seems to bear a strong resemblance to standard "contact and cover" drill performed by most of the world's police forces. I would be surprised to learn that it was originally a light-cavalry formation, as is claimed here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.143.146.103 (talk) 18:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I cannot confirm it was original by the Guardia Civil, but it's traditional. Even as today, the guards have considerable reluctance to act without his pair, whereas other police forces seems to have less problems in sending their men alone in patrol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.152.85.171 (talk) 09:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

The badge

The sword and the fasces crossed in diagonal. It dates from 1943 (with a royal crown since the late 1970s). Before that the Guardia Civil used the cypher GC.

Republican National Guard

The Civil Guard on the republican side in the Spanish civil war (1936-39) became the Guardia Nacional Republicana. Some republican field officers were from the civil Guard, for instance General Escobar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 12:21, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Carabiniers (1829)

Frontier, coastal and excise corps raised in 1829. They chased after smugglers, basically. Disbanded by the Francoists after the civil war. Tasks taken over by Civil Guard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 12:24, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Focus on the Basque Country...

So-so. In the 1850s each Basque province had its own constabulary (Miqueletes and Miñones). Other provincial tiny local police forces were disbanded, but not the Basque ones. The focus of the early Civil Guard was rather the National Miltia -seen by the authorities as politically unreliable and prone to revolutionary uprisings - and the journeymen and poor classes in Andalusia.

Suggestion: Role during Civil War & during Franco's Rule

There must be something to add about the Civil Guard's role during the 20th century--particularly the civil war and afterward-- did it exist on both sides? Was it coopted or replaced by political forces?

What about its functions during the reign of Franco? Was it professional, political, hatchet-men, something else?

If so, how did it change after Franco's death and the reestablishment of a republic?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.214.33 (talk) 20:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Why car and motorbike promotions?

IT is kind of odd to make promotion for peugeot 307 at this page no? at least change the heading. its not relevant to me that guardia civil uses peugeot or bmw. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.169.163.115 (talk) 00:30, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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Oldest? (on the very fist phrase=

Cool to see Wikipedia does not consider Catalonia to be part of Spain. Otherwise, you'd know Catalan Mossos d'Esquadra are more than one century older than Guardia Civil. --37.223.87.64 (talk) 00:54, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

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Franco era???

This article needs more than passing reference to "heavy-handedness" during the Franco era. They were Franco's Gestapo! They were hideous and cruel. They tortured people routinely. They interrogated children after stripping them naked and slapping them around without their parents present. They peeled off the fingernails of the people they didn't like. One of their favorite things to do with men was have them hang from a pipe and tie their scrotum to the pipe. They would hang there for hours, and if their grip slipped, you can imagine what happened. A friend used to have to walk past their station in his village on his way from school to the fields where he worked each day, and every day he heard the screaming coming from their building. The only real difference between the Franco-era Guardia Civil and the Gestapo is that the Gestapo was relatively small and over-reliant on tips from civilians. People seem to have no idea what the Franco years were like because people were too traumatized to talk about it, and maybe because they weren't part of WWII. I don't know where the RS are for what I'm saying because it is too close to home for me. Someone please look into this. No one would write an article about the Gestapo and describe them as heavy-handed. Dcs002 (talk) 19:33, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

This comparison is a bit ridiculous. The Civil Guard was not a secret police, ffs. The most direct comparison to the Gestapo during the Francoist dictatorship was the es:Brigada Político-Social, anyways.--Asqueladd (talk) 21:32, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

While the comparison of the Guardia Civil to the Gestapo is perhaps not helpful, that this article makes no mention of Civil Guard tactics and history of torture is frankly ridiculous. <https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/204000/eur410011975en.pdf HERE>, for example is a report from Amnesty International from 1975 describing and documenting widespread torture. The book by Kurlansky on the history of the Basques, a well-researched book, has other examples (<https://www.amazon.com/Basque-History-World-Story-Nation/dp/0140298517 book here>. Instead this article reads like a recruitment brochure to the Guardia Civil. How about a historical section, say, describing past unsavory practices of the Guardia Civil and behavior of the Guardia Civil under Franco? Bdushaw (talk) 08:44, 22 October 2019 (UTC)